Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Bae Blades

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Silver Falcon: Dec 5, 2005; Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Slider posted:

When is the point of no return? I just started chapter 8 and next main story objective is to go to the trunk of the world tree. I've just been doing sidequests here and there and exploring places I haven't been to yet, Rex is level 60. I feel like I would be better off progressing the main story until I get to the point where I can disengage main blades to be able to raise trust on others.

There are --10-- Chapters in the game. The point of no return is very obviously telegraphed. The game will straight up tell you "Hey, if you go through here there's no turning back. Make sure you're prepared first!"

I think the disengaging main Blades thing is only in NG+ though.

# ? Dec 30, 2018 21:55

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# ? Apr 30, 2024 22:56

Alpha Phoenix: Feb 26, 2007; That is a peckin' lot of bird...

I remember being displeased with the Gatcha system when I played, but now that I've picked up Torna, I miss it. Mostly I miss being able to customize my party, but treasure chests have a lot less excitement now, since I was conditioned to not care about any drops other than core crystals.

How long is this dlc?

# ? Dec 30, 2018 22:13

Barudak: May 7, 2007

Slider posted:

When is the point of no return? I just started chapter 8 and next main story objective is to go to the trunk of the world tree. I've just been doing sidequests here and there and exploring places I haven't been to yet, Rex is level 60. I feel like I would be better off progressing the main story until I get to the point where I can disengage main blades to be able to raise trust on others.

The final boss fight. Conveniently, the game will tell you this is the final point and let you make a save. when you beat the boss and load from your post-game save, thats where youll be.

# ? Dec 30, 2018 22:18

numerrik: Jul 15, 2009; Falcon Punch!

Alpha Phoenix posted:

I remember being displeased with the Gatcha system when I played, but now that I've picked up Torna, I miss it. Mostly I miss being able to customize my party, but treasure chests have a lot less excitement now, since I was conditioned to not care about any drops other than core crystals.

How long is this dlc?

I haven�t beaten it yet, but most people say 30 hours give or take

# ? Dec 30, 2018 22:55

Gwyrgyn Blood: Dec 17, 2002

30 hours is for doing 100% normal sidequests, you could probably blast through it in 10-15 hours just doing the mandatory ones. I would recommend doing all the normal sidequests though, they're generally very well done and contain some fun jokes and references to stuff in XC2.

# ? Dec 30, 2018 23:04

RazzleDazzleHour: Mar 31, 2016

Silver Falcon posted:

I think the disengaging main Blades thing is only in NG+ though.

You can disengage the main blade on everyone except Rex, all you have to do is equip Rex with someone else's main blade and that'll free up their slots

Also, I'm getting to the point where I'm unsure on what to do about my playthrough. I didn't release the blades on all my characters before starting NG+, so now the only blades I'll be able to pull are ones that Nia and Rex already had that I released. I considered rushing through the game until I got a full party, but that's kind of a fair amount of game to go through. On the flipside, if I totally started over, the only character I would even have to pull blades on would be Nia since Rex can eventually equip any blade anyways, so I'd really want those other characters anyways

# ? Dec 31, 2018 05:09

Neddy Seagoon: Oct 12, 2012; "Hi Everybody!"

Silver Falcon posted:

There are --10-- Chapters in the game. The point of no return is very obviously telegraphed. The game will straight up tell you "Hey, if you go through here there's no turning back. Make sure you're prepared first!"

I think the disengaging main Blades thing is only in NG+ though.

You can also do it post-game.

# ? Dec 31, 2018 06:13

Hunt11: Jul 24, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Just started playing the game and for the most part I am loving it. The only issue I have so far is trying to get materials for quests is a right pain in the rear end.

# ? Dec 31, 2018 16:54

Blackbelt Bobman: Jul 17, 2004; I don't need friends! I've been
manipulatin' you since the start!
All so I can something,
something X-Blade!

Luckily the voice clips aren�t super repetitive or extremely annoying.

COME OUT COME OUT
FLORA HEALS AN ACHING SOUL

Etc

# ? Dec 31, 2018 17:21

U-DO Burger: Nov 12, 2007

Blackbelt Bobman posted:

Luckily the voice clips aren’t super repetitive or extremely annoying.

COME OUT COME OUT
FLORA HEALS AN ACHING SOUL

Etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmnZ0R8quWM

# ? Dec 31, 2018 19:19

Blackbelt Bobman: Jul 17, 2004; I don't need friends! I've been
manipulatin' you since the start!
All so I can something,
something X-Blade!

U-DO Burger posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmnZ0R8quWM

I unironically love this and get it stuck in my head a lot

# ? Jan 1, 2019 02:06

spit on my clit: Jul 19, 2015; by Cyrano4747

Wasn't there a poster here who cracked the stupid gacha mechanics open and had a nice, detailed explanation of how it worked? It's buried under quite a few pages, so chances are I won't find it

# ? Jan 2, 2019 00:49

Hunt11: Jul 24, 2013; Grimey Drawer

I really wish the game wouldn't follow up a battle with you holding your own with a cutscene of you getting your rear end kicked.

# ? Jan 2, 2019 00:52

RazzleDazzleHour: Mar 31, 2016

Hunt11 posted:

I really wish the game wouldn't follow up a battle with you holding your own with a cutscene of you getting your rear end kicked.

I have bad news for you about literally every cutscene following a boss battle in the entire game

# ? Jan 2, 2019 03:49

Hunt11: Jul 24, 2013; Grimey Drawer

RazzleDazzleHour posted:

I have bad news for you about literally every cutscene following a boss battle in the entire game

At least the boss battle versus the comic relief didn't go like that. Of course I am now completely lost in the next area and have no idea on how to make actual process.

# ? Jan 2, 2019 03:53

MrMidnight: Aug 3, 2006

Hunt11 posted:

At least the boss battle versus the comic relief didn't go like that. Of course I am now completely lost in the next area and have no idea on how to make actual process.

I have bad news about every new big area you will come across.

# ? Jan 2, 2019 04:03

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Hunt11 posted:

I really wish the game wouldn't follow up a battle with you holding your own with a cutscene of you getting your rear end kicked.

To be fair that doesn�t happen often. It�s not like Trails of Cold Steel where it happens after every battle

# ? Jan 2, 2019 04:04

RazzleDazzleHour: Mar 31, 2016

Dr. Fetus posted:

Alright, let me try to simplify this as best I can.

When you open a core crystal, the game first checks to see if you used a booster or not. When you use a booster (quantity doesn't matter in this case), the game will choose the idea for the booster you chose. If you didn't, the game then defaults to the highest leveled idea the character has. (If there's a tie, one is chosen randomly.)

From there, your character's luck is checked. 999 luck gets you a value of 1.36.

The next step applies a multiplier depending on the type of Core Crystal you used. Common is 1, rare is 1.5, and legendary is 3.

Now your idea level is checked, and a multiplier from there is applied depending on how high the idea level is. (2nd column in the BLD_Idea table in the 2nd image. Multiply that number by 0.01.) 10 is the highest level without boosters, and applies a multiplier of 1.5. Getting it up to 15 applies a value of 1.75.

Now the chances of the rare blade actually getting in the pool are calculated. In the 3rd image, the 3rd column contains the number used in this part. KOS-MOS has the blade ID of 1039, and the number in this case is 0.1.

So now the luck value, the crystal factor, and the blade's probability are all multiplied together. So assuming we're using a legendary crystal with 999 luck, and are trying to shoot for KOS-MOS, our number now is 0.408.

Now if the game picked justice as our idea of choice (remember, this can be rigged with boosters), and we had our justice level at 15, we would multiply 0.408 by 1.75, which gets us... 0.714. And that's our chance of getting the blade added to the pool.

Yes, that's right. KOS-MOS only has a 0.714% chance of being added to the pool even under the most favorable circumstances!

Oh, but we're not done yet! If I'm reading this right, if you're using a Rare or Legendary Core Crystal, you'll get a rare blade at this point if any are in the pool. If you're using a Common Core Crystal, on the other hand, the game has a 75% chance to give you a common blade instead.

Yeah, so the odds work out like this for actually getting KOS-MOS:

Common: 0.0595%
Rare: 0.357%
Legendary: 0.714%

Yes, your chances are genuinely that minuscule, even under the best possible circumstances! Boosters barely boost your chances. Only use them if the idea level in question is not already at the absolute highest. I have no idea what Monolith was thinking with this system.

Dr. Fetus posted:

Oh, the table is in the blade album order. So yeah, here are the base odds of actually pulling the rare blades in question. Now there are apparently 5 different probabilities for each blade, so I have no idea when which ones are used when.

Godfrey: 0.63%/0.63%/1.25%/1.56%/2.19%
Perceval: 1.5%/0.25%/0.5%/1%/1.75%
Vale: 0.75%/0.25%/0.25%/0.25%/0.25%
Agate: 0.25%/0.38%/0.75%/0.75%/0.13%
Gorg: 1%/1%/0.5%/1.5%/1%
Boreas: 0.25%/2.13%/2.13%/0.56%/1.19%
Dagas: 0.5%/0.75%/0.5%1.25%/0.5%
Perun: 2.44%/0.25%/0.63%/1.88%/1.06%
Kora: 0.63%/1.88%/1.88%/0.31%/1.56%
Azami: 0.31%/1.88%/1.25%/0.63%/2.19%
Ursula: 2.25%/0.63%/1.25%/1.88%/0.25%
Newt: 0.25%/0.25%/0.25%/0.25%/0.75%
Nim: 1%/1%/1.75%/0.25%/1%
Adenine: 1.5%/0.25%/1%/1.75%/0.5%
Electra: 1.88%/2.25%/0.63%/1.25%/0.25%
Zenobia: 0.25%/0.75%/0.25%/0.25%/0.25%
Finch: 0.5%/1%/1.75%/0.25%/1.5%
Floren: 1.75%/1.5%/1%/0.5%/0.25%
KOS-MOS: Always 0.1%.
Dahlia: 0.13%/0.5%/0.25%/0.88%/0.75%

Any guaranteed blades you got that you decided to toss into gacha hell for whatever reason will have a 1% base chance of popping back up.

Also there's apparently an "assure value" or something, and I have no idea what it means. But here's the list of which blades have what assure value if you feel like figuring that out.

Godfrey: 1
Perceval: 2
Vale: 5
Agate: 1
Gorg: 3
Boreas: 1
Dagas: N/A
Perun: 3
Kora: 4
Azami: 2
Ursula: 5
Newt: N/A
Nim: 4
Adenine: 2
Electra: 3
Zenobia: N/A
Finch: 4
Floren: 5
KOS-MOS: N/A
Dahlia: N/A

# ? Jan 2, 2019 04:08

Namnesor: Jun 29, 2005; Dante's allowance - $100

jfc I didn't realize how lucky I was to pull KOS-MOS out of the first legendary core crystal I used in my playthrough :psyduck:

# ? Jan 2, 2019 04:18

RazzleDazzleHour: Mar 31, 2016

Coughing Hobo posted:

jfc I didn't realize how lucky I was to pull KOS-MOS out of the first legendary core crystal I used in my playthrough

I didn't get KOSMOS until postgame where I had the ability to grind Legendary core crystals, and it took me maybe 300~

To be fair though I got Zenobia very early on and got very generous pulls throughout my playthrough

# ? Jan 2, 2019 04:32

Araxxor: Oct 20, 2012; My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

T-elos has a base 5% chance, so you're super likely to get her once you've beaten the game.

Also there's a pity system in place to ensure that you get rare blades at some point as long as you keep opening crystals. Well, until you get 3 specific ones, anyway.

quote:

bizarre deformity posted:
I wonder if it picks a number 1-5 for each individual blade, or if each column of that table is a set and you are assigned one of five sets.

It's the latter. You are assigned one column once you make a new save file and that's it. No way to change it. Woe to you if you got column 2, as that has the worst overall rates of getting a rare blade, period.

Now it's fairly likely to get rare blades early on, since the game computes for the chances to add each rare blade to the pool separately.

Once the blades are in the pool, the core crystal checks to see if it should pull from it at all. Common core crystals only have a 25% chance of handing you a rare in this case, while rare and legendary cores will always pull from the rare blade pool if at least one rare blade made it in. If multiple rare blades are in the pool at this point, one is chosen randomly, but the chances are weighted according to the rare blades' base possibilities.

This means that if you are hunting for a specific rare blade, do not toss any rares you already have back into the pool! While that increases your chances of finding a rare blade period, it actually hurts your chances of finding a specific rare blade since you are diluting the pool that way. Basically, just suck it up and mill your decks of core crystals if you want a specific blade.

The purpose of the "assure values" got found out. It turns out that they are part of a pity system the game has. The summarized version: If you use up enough core crystals, you are guaranteed to get these blades. The pity blades depend on what column you were assigned. Though 5 of the random rare blades will never be a part of your pity pool. The pity blades are as follows:

quote:
Column 1 Godfrey, Agate, Boreas
Column 2: Perceval, Azami, Adenine
Column 3: Gorg, Perun, Electra
Column 4: Kora, Nim, Finch
Column 5: Vale, Ursula, Floren

No freebies: Dagas, Newt, Zenobia, KOS-MOS, Dahlia

The way the pity system works is that when you open up a core crystal, a number is added to a counter. When the counter reaches 100 points, you are randomly given one of the pity blades, guaranteed (Assuming you don't already have them). Then the counter resets back to 0 and you are given the 2nd pity blade once you reach 200 points. Then the process repeats with the final pity blade being given at 300 points. Common core crystals add 5 points to the counter, rare core crystals add 25 points, and legendary core crystals add 50 points to the counter.

So opening 120 common cores, 24 rare cores, or 12 legendary cores will guarantee that you get at least 3 rare blades if you haven't exhausted your pity pool.

Oh and one more thing. Your luck value in the formula has a minimum value of 1 (so basically if you have 14 or lower luck somehow, it'll get boosted to a certain point, and having 15 or more luck will start boosting it further.)

And that should be it for the rare blade mechanics.

Dr. Fetus posted:

Okay, to clear up confusion about how often you get pity blades, it turns out the counter resets to 0 if you get a rare blade at all. The counter just increases from 100 -> 200 -> 300 or so when you get the pity blade. So if you're wondering why it took so long to get all the pity blades, if you drew a rare blade between those times, that would be why.

All the rare blade gacha mechanics got compiled by someone here for easy reference. Some spoilers in there if you haven't gotten through the game.

# ? Jan 2, 2019 04:32

Chronojam: Feb 20, 2006; This is me on vacation in Amsterdam
Never be afraid of being yourself!

Coughing Hobo posted:

jfc I didn't realize how lucky I was to pull KOS-MOS out of the first legendary core crystal I used in my playthrough

I got that one right after getting the fourth party member, on a common or rare during initial blade stocking. Back when there really weren't any other light blades to have it felt lucky but I didn't appreciate the odds.

# ? Jan 2, 2019 04:35

chumbler: Mar 28, 2010

KOS-MOS is very worth overdriving to Nia (or Zeke if you use him, but I never found a great way to incorporate him into the party for most of the game). Her level 2 special is a big heal and you also get to hear Nia rolling the hell out of an R for one of the cannon skills.

# ? Jan 2, 2019 04:49

Radio Free Kobold: Aug 11, 2012; "Federal regulations mandate that at least 30% of our content must promote Reptilian or Draconic culture. This is DJ Scratch N' Sniff with the latest mermaid screeching on KBLD..."

having only a three-man party feels really limiting. i can't drop Rex because he's the protag, I can't drop Nia because she's literally the only good healer, and I really don't want to drop my main man (nopon) Tora because that fuzzy onion motherfucker and his robot maids are just so charming. but this means i can't have bestgirl morag in the party and i haven't even touched zeke. this sucks but not really.

# ? Jan 2, 2019 07:02

Josuke Higashikata: Mar 7, 2013

I think my final two blades are Zenobia and KOS-MOS. I only want KOS-MOS though.

I'd love it if they'd just patch out the gacha at this point but a fool can dream. gently caress, I think it might even boost sales if they outright said they were removing it for a quick PR hit.

# ? Jan 2, 2019 07:10

Oxygen Deficiency: May 19, 2008

My final blade was Patroka and it was the only blade I wanted for my NG+ :argh:

I can't complain though since I pulled KOS-MOS super early in my regular game and didn't realise how lucky I was until I googled gacha rates.

# ? Jan 2, 2019 11:55

Silver Falcon: Dec 5, 2005; Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Radio Free Kobold posted:

having only a three-man party feels really limiting. i can't drop Rex because he's the protag, I can't drop Nia because she's literally the only good healer, and I really don't want to drop my main man (nopon) Tora because that fuzzy onion motherfucker and his robot maids are just so charming. but this means i can't have bestgirl morag in the party and i haven't even touched zeke. this sucks but not really.

Just dump Rex. I benched him like halfway through the game and I regret nothing. Nia is the protagonist as far as I'm concerned!

# ? Jan 2, 2019 12:19

Neddy Seagoon: Oct 12, 2012; "Hi Everybody!"

Radio Free Kobold posted:

having only a three-man party feels really limiting. i can't drop Rex because he's the protag, I can't drop Nia because she's literally the only good healer, and I really don't want to drop my main man (nopon) Tora because that fuzzy onion motherfucker and his robot maids are just so charming. but this means i can't have bestgirl morag in the party and i haven't even touched zeke. this sucks but not really.

Excuse me, but you are wrong and dumb.

You should refer to him by his title of Zekenator, or The Zekenator :colbert:

# ? Jan 2, 2019 13:03

Rirse: May 7, 2006; by R. Guyovich

Oxygen Deficiency posted:

My final blade was Patroka and it was the only blade I wanted for my NG+

I can't complain though since I pulled KOS-MOS super early in my regular game and didn't realise how lucky I was until I googled gacha rates.

Mine is the opposite and going to end up being her brother

# ? Jan 2, 2019 16:53

Hunt11: Jul 24, 2013; Grimey Drawer

gently caress the chain binding guy so much. It takes a certain type of character to make the way he talks endearing and he certainly isn't it. Combine that with a bullshit ability and he really is the worst.

# ? Jan 2, 2019 18:46

Gwyrgyn Blood: Dec 17, 2002

If you're talking about Ahkos, hit him with an Earth ender Blade Combo to seal his Shackle Driver.

# ? Jan 2, 2019 18:49

Silver Falcon: Dec 5, 2005; Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Rirse posted:

Mine is the opposite and going to end up being her brother

That was my last rare Blade too!

# ? Jan 2, 2019 19:24

Radio Free Kobold: Aug 11, 2012; "Federal regulations mandate that at least 30% of our content must promote Reptilian or Draconic culture. This is DJ Scratch N' Sniff with the latest mermaid screeching on KBLD..."

Silver Falcon posted:

Just dump Rex. I benched him like halfway through the game and I regret nothing. Nia is the protagonist as far as I'm concerned!

but if i bench Rex I don't get Pyra/Mythra. that's not okay.

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Excuse me, but you are wrong and dumb.

You should refer to him by his title of Zekenator, or The Zekenator .

i'll refer to him as "chuuni retard" or "the chuuni retard" :colbert:

all he's good for is laughing at.

# ? Jan 2, 2019 20:25

Rudoku: Jun 15, 2003; Damn I need a drink...

Radio Free Kobold posted:

but if i bench Rex I don't get Pyra/Mythra. that's not okay.

i'll refer to him as "chuuni retard" or "the chuuni retard"
all he's good for is laughing at.

He has the best dunks in the game, gently caress you.

# ? Jan 2, 2019 21:38

Slider: Jun 6, 2004; POINTS

90 hours into the game and just figured out each weapon type has a 4th ability that you can use by manually slot in by pressing X.

# ? Jan 3, 2019 05:34

Alpha Phoenix: Feb 26, 2007; That is a peckin' lot of bird...

Radio Free Kobold posted:

having only a three-man party feels really limiting... I can't drop Nia because she's literally the only good healer,

At least you have a healer. In the DLC you get one healing blade in the whole static team, and the AI ignores it.

# ? Jan 3, 2019 08:25

Amppelix: Aug 6, 2010

Radio Free Kobold posted:

but if i bench Rex I don't get Pyra/Mythra. that's not okay.

i'll refer to him as "chuuni retard" or "the chuuni retard"
all he's good for is laughing at.

I would like you to understand that you are both rude and uninformed. And also boring.

# ? Jan 3, 2019 09:18

Blackbelt Bobman: Jul 17, 2004; I don't need friends! I've been
manipulatin' you since the start!
All so I can something,
something X-Blade!

Slider posted:

90 hours into the game and just figured out each weapon type has a 4th ability that you can use by manually slot in by pressing X.

Have you not been leveling up your weapon arts :psyduck:

# ? Jan 3, 2019 14:11

Slider: Jun 6, 2004; POINTS

Oh I was, for some reason I assumed the 4th ability was either a passive or something the game had not yet introduced(I'm nearly finished with the main story at this point)

# ? Jan 3, 2019 16:01

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# ? Apr 30, 2024 22:56

LPG Giant: Feb 20, 2011

Slider posted:

Oh I was, for some reason I assumed the 4th ability was either a passive or something the game had not yet introduced(I'm nearly finished with the main story at this point)

Yeah same. The alternative ability for Rex is really good (aggro down) so I was kicking myself when I found out!

# ? Jan 3, 2019 19:19

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