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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Is there a light twin in history that doesn't have, in its development history, "the second version was redesigned with a larger rudder to improve handling in one-engine situations" or similar?

Why do people keep making the same mistakes? :psyduck:

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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

PT6A posted:

Is there a light twin in history that doesn't have, in its development history, "the second version was redesigned with a larger rudder to improve handling in one-engine situations" or similar?

Why do people keep making the same mistakes? :psyduck:

Because they take the plans for a single, modify the wings to have 2 engines and then only look at the empennage when its impossible to control by the test pilot.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

hobbesmaster posted:

Because they take the plans for a single, modify the wings to have 2 engines and then only look at the empennage when its impossible to control by the test pilot.

...makes sense. Never ascribe to malice or stupidity what can be explained by sheer laziness, I guess.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

as a person who never leaves my house i've done pretty well for myself.
Plans?

Where we’re going, we don’t need plans. :jeb:

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

It’s like a Tigercat and a Swearingen 300 had a drunk night in Vegas.

Dr.Smasher
Nov 27, 2002

Cyberpunk 1987
That plane just looks like a cascade of bad ideas

sanchez
Feb 26, 2003
I bet it sounds good.

mekilljoydammit
Jan 28, 2016

Me have motors that scream to 10,000rpm. Me have more cars than Pick and Pull
OK I know the odds of that working right are slim and none, but that's a hot looking twin.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
I've seen better.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant
What's better than one Tigercat?

Obviously, two.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

mlmp08 posted:

I've seen better.



I note the enormous rudder and elevators.

mekilljoydammit
Jan 28, 2016

Me have motors that scream to 10,000rpm. Me have more cars than Pick and Pull
Well yes, obviously the Tigercat, and TBH I like the Invader too, but still.

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

MrYenko posted:

It’s like a Tigercat and a Lancair Legacy had a drunk night in Vegas.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

"If it looks good, it flies good". That old chestnut could be modified to "If it looks like a stunning, exotic thoroughbred, it flies like an axe murderer".

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

B-26A comes to mind as well

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Ola posted:

"If it looks good, it flies good". That old chestnut could be modified to "If it looks like a stunning, exotic thoroughbred, a dentist gets a death boner".

FTFY

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

:golfclap:

It's funny because it's true.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

mlmp08 posted:

I've seen better.



Jets are cool and all, but the lines on late/just post-war fighters are just loving gorgeous

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.
No loving P-38s, what even is this thread?

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
Can’t have a critical engine if they’re both critical. :colbert:

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

In a combat aircraft all engines are critical if you really think about it

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


:britain:

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

e.pilot posted:

Lesson one for me is always exercises demonstrating pitch for speed, power for altitude, adverse yaw, and p-factor. It’s the foundation everything else is based on.

e: Lesson two is angle of attack and lift vectors, which rolls into stalls and steep turns. The second half of the flying foundation.
That should be the standard if it isn’t


Anarcho-Commissar posted:

No loving P-38s, what even is this thread?




Literally the only 2 piston twins that matter

evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Jan 1, 2019

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.
:britain::britain:

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Anarcho-Commissar posted:

No loving P-38s, what even is this thread?



Oh yeah that’s the good stu-


:vince:

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Fender Anarchist posted:

In a combat aircraft all engines are critical if you really think about it

:thunkher:

evil_bunnY posted:

That should be the standard if it isn’t

You’d be surprised how many CFIs don’t teach that way.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Fender Anarchist posted:

In a          aircraft all engines are critical if you really think about it

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Two or three of my final five E-3 flights ended with 3 engines running.

The rest of the five had landing gear IFEs. :downs:

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

as a person who never leaves my house i've done pretty well for myself.

Ah, the dreaded seven engine approach.

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

On this day in history, 50 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoQDG82gj2Y

The biggest jet-age failure in commercial aviation flew for the first time :v:

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Platystemon posted:

Ah, the dreaded seven engine approach.

It depends.

ehnus
Apr 16, 2003

Now you're thinking with portals!

hobbesmaster posted:

“Aircraft project also available as a complete project for $150k”

It’s like they forgot about control surfaces. I guess someone talked some sense into the guy? This is a home designed plane I assume?

If I recall the plane was originally designed for racing.

The designer (Bill Husa) was fairly well credentialed, he had done a fair amount of work for Stoddard-Hamilton on engineering the Glasair III.

Unfortunately Bill passed away in 2012 and the project was shelved. I think the current owner was trying to have someone finish it but now it looks like he just wants it gone.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



:flashfap:

To contribute to Invaderchat:

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

:aaaaa:

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

PainterofCrap posted:

:flashfap:

To contribute to Invaderchat:



Pretty amazing that it's still airworthy even with a big crack in the nose. They sure built 'em tough back in the day.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007



Don't even need to be a dentist to get a death boner from that!

Timmy Age 6
Jul 23, 2011

Lobster says "mrow?"

Ramrod XTreme

Finger Prince posted:

Don't even need to be a dentist to get a death boner from that!

It ended about as well as you'd have guessed.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran

MrChips posted:

On this day in history, 50 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoQDG82gj2Y

The biggest jet-age failure in commercial aviation flew for the first time :v:

And also one of the biggest WTF planes ever, the LearAvia Lear Fan. It actually first flew on "December 32, 1980" because of some wonderful bureaucratic nonsense.

I've actually seen two of the three, and they're WTF planes every time.

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e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Now this is pond racing.

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