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toiletbrush posted:yeah, people just want to contribute, or at least be seen to contribute, and sometimes the low hanging fruit is all they've got. lmao i've gotten some primo godawful ui feedback from demos, that's a good move
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kafka and avro are cool, fight me.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:kafka and avro are cool, fight me. they are definitely very good when used in situations where they're appropriate tools. my main issue is when people insist on shoving them everywhere
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gonadic io posted:they are definitely very good when used in situations where they're appropriate tools. my main issue is when people insist on shoving them everywhere including at least one situation at work where a service asyncronously puts a message on a topic, and then spins waiting for a response on another topic before doing the next thing. sure glad we're async here
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toiletbrush posted:yeah, people just want to contribute, or at least be seen to contribute, and sometimes the low hanging fruit is all they've got. agreed, coding styles are arbitrary so it's definitely in your best interest to define asap on any greenfield project and preferably just go with the community default
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carry on then posted:lmao i've gotten some primo godawful ui feedback from demos, that's a good move
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toiletbrush posted:He also banned UI chat from demos for the same reason. My boss effectively did this for us almost right away after he started 9 months ago and it owns. Now if we could just get search on the chopping block as well.
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My favorite category of demo feedback is people wanting to implement complex rules for sorting list items.
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Taking about anything related to sorting, paging, UI appearance, etc of search/query results is a huge waste of time that could have been better spent on important topics, like which of 200 or 404 is the real RESTful response code for a webservice to respond with for a valid, successfully processed request that contains no results for the query parameters supplied. 
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i send a 426 upgrade required whenever someone hits my app with internet explorer or android
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Dec 31, 2018 19:37
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abigserve posted:maybe it's unreasonable to write your own messaging system yes kafka is good if you need a simple message log that actually saves messages and it plugs into everything and there's libraries for your language it gives understandable but strong guarantees and mostly keeps them if you don't really care about your messages you can use a redis queue
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ThePeavstenator posted:Taking about anything related to sorting, paging, UI appearance, etc of search/query results is a huge waste of time that could have been better spent on important topics, like which of 200 or 404 is the real RESTful response code for a webservice to respond with for a valid, successfully processed request that contains no results for the query parameters supplied. did nobody raise that 204 exists for this specific purpose
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anatoliy pltkrvkay posted:did nobody raise that 204 exists for this specific purpose
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Dec 31, 2018 21:43
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GET /somelist 200: ["foo", "bar", null] GET /somelist/1 200: "foo" GET /somelist/2 200: "bar" GET /somelist/3 204 GET /somelist/4 404 
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GET /somelist?filter=butt 200: [] 
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Dec 31, 2018 22:27
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Chalks posted:GET /somelist?filter=butt This, but unirorically
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i do that for querystring results because my front end coder says 204s break her binding or something vOv i deliberately haven't investigated if this is true or if she just can't be bothered
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Cold on a Cob posted:i do that for querystring results because my front end coder says 204s break her binding or something vOv she's probably right because 204 means no content and [] is two characters of content
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Cold on a Cob posted:i do that for querystring results because my front end coder says 204s break her binding or something vOv i love internet
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as someone that hasn't touched front end since jquery was the new hotness*, i want to know: is modern front end architecture bikeshedding all the way down? be honest with me pls *not counting some razor views here and there
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Chalks posted:GET /somelist?filter=butt http doesn’t stand for json transfer protocol
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Cold on a Cob posted:as someone that hasn't touched front end since jquery was the new hotness*, i want to know: is modern front end architecture bikeshedding all the way down? be honest with me pls if you're doing modern frontend most likely your backend is just a json api, which means your frontend is fully responsible for routing, all display logic, etc. way more than a traditional frontend where the backend is serving up fully rendered html. so no, it's not bikeshedding. modern javascript frontends are very complicated. pros: it is nice to decouple frontend from backend like this. cons: now you have tons of complicated javascript code and a 50mb app bundle.
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Soricidus posted:http doesn’t stand for json transfer protocol lol. just like asp reporting errors
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:if you're doing modern frontend most likely your backend is just a json api, which means your frontend is fully responsible for routing, all display logic, etc. way more than a traditional frontend where the backend is serving up fully rendered html. now if we're talking about re-inventing the wheel, there is a TON of that going on in modern frontend dev
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akadajet posted:now if we're talking about re-inventing the wheel, there is a TON of that going on in modern frontend dev yeah this is probably more what i was thinking and idk why i mentally slotted it as "bikeshedding"
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im flashing back to the time the sr. architect said that it was ok to return 200 on an internal error because the error page was successfully returned
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uncurable mlady posted:im flashing back to the time the sr. architect said that it was ok to return 200 on an internal error because the error page was successfully returned it's amazing how many incompetent people there are in tech
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akadajet posted:it's amazing how many incompetent people there are in tech it’s amazing how many of them make it to the top it’s almost like promotions don’t have anything to do with competence
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I'm about to embark on porting our last legacy bit of silverlight into a webapp and I'm seriously not enthusiastic about building another front end right now.
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leper khan posted:it’s amazing how many of them make it to the top at my old job a few years back, our department needed a manager, and they promoted one of our developers specifically because he was the least useful guy on the team. like, one of the benefits of promoting him was reducing his coding responsibilities. an exec-level guy straight up admitted that poo poo to me unsurprisingly, he wasn't effective as a manager either, and they eventually let him go. more than a few of my coworkers were constitutionally incapable of hiding their contempt for him
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sounds like he wasn't the only incompetent manager at that org
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akadajet posted:I'm about to embark on porting our last legacy bit of silverlight into a webapp and I'm seriously not enthusiastic about building another front end right now. do it in something other than javascript and it wont be so painful
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uncurable mlady posted:im flashing back to the time the sr. architect said that it was ok to return 200 on an internal error because the error page was successfully returned hahaha did we work at the same place? I was directed to always return a 200 status code and to put a field in the json response that had the “real” status code in it. that way the client software could disambiguate between an error response from our software or a problem with the http server. like, that almost makes sense.
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i've been solving the advent of code challenges in both python and rust as a little experiment the rust solutions roughly averaged take me 1.7x as long to write and run 10x as fast the moral is probably to write quick one-off programs in python unless theyre going to run for multiple hours at least the numbers matched my intuition quite well, i do feel more productive in python than in my main typed languages but it's nice to confirm it
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Shaggar posted:do it in something other than javascript and it wont be so painful company wants to do angular 7, so it's gonna be typescript. honestly these web frameworks start to all look the same after awhile. at least angular's cli looks nice.
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akadajet posted:company wants to do angular 7, so it's gonna be typescript. honestly these web frameworks start to all look the same after awhile. at least angular's cli looks nice. typescript is a good call, never use javascript directly
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akadajet posted:angular's cli lmao
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Chalks posted:typescript is a good call, never use javascript directly typescript is good but angular is buttcheeks
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Shaggar posted:typescript requires node to make it work so its still not good it takes node to make it compile, but it's not like you'll be needing to use it in production
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