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Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


There are plenty of dystopic predictions about UBI, and plenty of socialists and leftists who are against the idea. In The Expanse, Earth's UBI-system has basically turned into glorified company scrip. Sure people have money, but they don't have money.

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Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

PAM PA RAM

PAM PAM PARAAAAM!


You mean Just Cause 3 and 4?

This actually looks better than both of those lol

Ularg
Mar 2, 2010

Just tell me I'm exotic.

Thanks, I was trying to give DoW some chance to see if I wanted to drop the money for the expansions but it kinda hurts to play in 4:3 for some reason.

Morter
Jul 1, 2006

:coolspot:
Seashells by the
Seashorpheus

Accordion Man posted:

I don't know if you know this because I actually didn't realize it for like almost half of the game but you can use the crossbow as a tripwire gun. I actually barely ever used the crossbow and I was fine without it but its a weapon worth using. As people said though in the early game you want to avoid enemies that you can't get the drop on and that's what I did too. Invest in Stealth, its really good.

And as I said the encounters I had trouble with were poo poo I couldn't avoid because they were foisted upon me. Look at a train window? Suddenly cutscene where zombie bumrushes you and tackles you. Find a weapon? Literally 5 more enemies spawn putting you between them and an artificial border.

And I'm exclusively talking about the 'town' area, btw. The prologue was just fine. Sneaking up on enemies was just fine. But when combat gets put upon me, it drains my resources I wasn't prepared to use, so saying "Maybe pick your battles :buddy:" is sorta dogshit.

I'll keep trying it, i'm just not happy with how they did it.

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead

Black Griffon posted:

There are plenty of dystopic predictions about UBI, and plenty of socialists and leftists who are against the idea. In The Expanse, Earth's UBI-system has basically turned into glorified company scrip. Sure people have money, but they don't have money.
Less than $15 an hour sort of l i t t l e m o n e y ?

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


Scalding Coffee posted:

Less than $15 an hour sort of l i t t l e m o n e y ?

As in not actual money. As in something akin to "Amazon but it became GEMCO but kept being all Bezoshit" store credit.

Mr E
Sep 18, 2007

I know it's not on sale, but is Kenshi worth grabbing? It looks real good.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

Mr E posted:

I know it's not on sale, but is Kenshi worth grabbing? It looks real good.

I, and a lot of others find it a lot of fun. Just bear in mind that it is pretty much a one-of-a-kind game, so it's hard to compare it to something else.

I'd recommend watching some videos, maybe check out the Kenshi thread here on the forums first. It's a great game, but certainly an acquired taste. If you enjoy what you see you will probably like it, though.

Roluth
Apr 22, 2014

Can I get an update on Frozen Synapse 2? Release was very buggy, and it looks like there hasn't been much information as to whether it has managed to fix these bugs yet. Can somebody confirm if the game has gotten better in this regard?

ShadowMar
Mar 2, 2010

HERE IS A
GRAVEYARD
OF YOU!


Mr E posted:

I know it's not on sale, but is Kenshi worth grabbing? It looks real good.

kenshi is an amazing and unique game if it clicks, and a terribly frustrating experience if it doesn't. i happened to fall in love with it quickly but i also love eye divine cybermancy so make of that what you will

Morter
Jul 1, 2006

:coolspot:
Seashells by the
Seashorpheus

ShadowMar posted:

kenshi is an amazing and unique game if it clicks, and a terribly frustrating experience if it doesn't. i happened to fall in love with it quickly but i also love eye divine cybermancy so make of that what you will

Is the combat fun? Is it easy to get into a lucrative loop of murder? This is important.

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

Fun Shoe

dont be mean to me posted:

As in not actual money. As in something akin to "Amazon but it became GEMCO but kept being all Bezoshit" store credit.

That’s not at all what UBI is meant to be, though. The Expanse is a dystopia and that setting’s Basic Support is the sorta thing a dystopia would implement to keep the working class alive but powerless; give them their own separated currency and goods with few opportunities to cross over. The setting is definitely making a commentary there but it’s not “UBI bad”; more like “it is possible and believable that terrible policy could be disguised in UBI’s clothes”.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


Pigbuster posted:

That’s not at all what UBI is meant to be, though. The Expanse is a dystopia and that setting’s Basic Support is the sorta thing a dystopia would implement to keep the working class alive but powerless; give them their own separated currency and goods with few opportunities to cross over. The setting is definitely making a commentary there but it’s more than “UBI bad”. More “it is possible and believable that terrible policy could be disguised in UBI’s clothes”.

I assumed the dude I was replying to was still talking in-setting.

Morter
Jul 1, 2006

:coolspot:
Seashells by the
Seashorpheus

Me and deakul played this

it's hot garbage but it's worth the 8 total.

Also there's 16 player co-op

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

Fun Shoe

dont be mean to me posted:

I assumed the dude I was replying to was still talking in-setting.

That wasn't meant to be a "you're wrong because..." post, sorry, was sorta just springboarding thoughts.

Basically it's definitely possible to do interesting things off of UBI; Brave New World is my favorite dystopia novel. But a setting's gonna need a heck of a lot more than "loss of identity" for me to care.

Pigbuster fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Jan 2, 2019

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

Morter posted:

Is the combat fun? Is it easy to get into a lucrative loop of murder? This is important.

You can, after following an absurd training regimen involving kidnapping and forced cage fights, become a strong enough martial artist that you can sever limbs from multiple people with a single kick.

Orv
May 4, 2011

Broken Cog posted:

You can, after following an absurd training regimen involving kidnapping and forced cage fights, become a strong enough martial artist that you can sever limbs from multiple people with a single kick.

To be clear on what I would stupidly call a faux-objective level the combat is terrible. It looks bad, it sounds worse, its mechanics are needlessly layered and it's kind of a chore to control.

But like the rest of Kenshi that kind of doesn't matter because of how involving the game is to play. It's very much an old school kind of thing where you have to lay out your own plans, goals and implementing them is anywhere from hard to dick obliterating. Despite that there is a great deal of passion in the game and if you're willing to put up with a high amount of one man's dream game style jank, it is a genuinely unique game that is probably the best story engine released since Rimworld, or maybe even before that.

The day your stupid robot ninja finally stops being useless and slaughters his way through a bunch of bandits, the pride swelling in your heart as his little lovely robot arms chop and slice, is pretty up there on feel good video game moments.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Its also a game where the best way to make yourself tougher is to go out, find a bunch of starving bandits and let them beat you to the point of collapse with their iron pipes, and then before they run off, grit your teeth and force yourself to stand back up for a second beating, and a third until you can't get up anymore and they leave you for dead.

Then your friend(s) who was hiding a couple hundred feet away rushes in, applies first add and hauls your battered rear end to a bed to heal up and do it again.

Subbz
Nov 4, 2008
Anyone got anything good to say about The Long Dark?

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

Broken Cog posted:

You can, after following an absurd training regimen involving kidnapping and forced cage fights, become a strong enough martial artist that you can sever limbs from multiple people with a single kick.

so its basically dwarf fortress

e: but browner

awesmoe fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Jan 2, 2019

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead
Anyone try Simmiland?

Occultatio
Aug 4, 2005

a massive toolclown who cannot stop causing problems

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015
Okay, Posting this here because it's on Steam and it doesn't otherwise have a topic to go in.

Dawn of War: Dark Crusade.

The Eldar starting position is TERRIBLE. Right off the bat, you only have one place to attack, and the honor guard you get there is a Ranger Squad. Decent to speed up scouting, and can deal with light infantry well enough, but drat near worthless for taking down bases.

From here, you have two choices of places to attack. One of them is guaranteed to be at least strength 6, which means two enemy bases, which means, with only a single Ranger Squad as honor guards, good luck taking one of the bases out before the other one runs rampant over your base, ESPECIALLY if the commander is there with their Honor Guard. Your OTHER choice of location gives you another Ranger Squad, which is... less than helpful.

If you go collect the second Ranger Squad, you still have two choices of destination: the stength 6 province mentioned before which, by the way, doesn't give any Honor Guard, it gives Bulwark, which only affects garrisoning basic troops in provinces you already control. Your other option that just opened up is Pavonis Spaceport. Not so bad to capture, but you really need to hope you get all six servitors before the two enemy bases start hammering you.

Once you have this, you basically have to look around the map and cherry-pick weak provinces with good Honor Guards, which if you're like me and hate breaking supply lines, is quite frustrating.

(if anyone knows of a better place to rant about/discuss Dawn of War, please point me to it!)

tildes
Nov 16, 2018

Pigbuster posted:

That’s not at all what UBI is meant to be, though. The Expanse is a dystopia and that setting’s Basic Support is the sorta thing a dystopia would implement to keep the working class alive but powerless; give them their own separated currency and goods with few opportunities to cross over. The setting is definitely making a commentary there but it’s not “UBI bad”; more like “it is possible and believable that terrible policy could be disguised in UBI’s clothes”.

I was under the impression that was what the game was going for as well? At least based on what the dude is saying: https://twitter.com/timsoret/status/1080366494968672256

Sounds like it's more an automating everything incl. (somehow?) culture/art, not UBI. Hard to say without the actual game though.

e: or the UBI is really low?- he says elsewhere it just meets basic needs, though that's not clear from Steam at all. A bit unclear really IDK

tildes fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Jan 2, 2019

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



Mystic Stylez posted:

Are the Kingdom games any good? Should I get Classic or New Lands?

The General posted:

Xander77 was kind enough to gift me Kingdoms: Classic/New Lands.

And about the only good thing I can say about it is that it's extremely good looking.


After that everything falls apart. It's a simple game where you expand your territory and destroy portals to hell. Wandering left to right, collecting and spending gold to hire workers and build fortifications. Defending attacks from both sides, you have no control on where your archers go. Often I'll have a 3:1 split for no real reason. If you build towers for your archers they will never ever leave unless you upgrade them (which eventually stops working) creating an even bigger problem on defending the front lines. Builders go all over the map and have no problems running into danger to cut down a tree they've been ignoring for the last few minutes. The two times I got to the end game, both times the game glitched out and I could no longer issue attacks. It's such an uphill battle to get to the end game, not because it's difficult but because the AI problems mentioned above.

I want to like it. It's low stress and relaxing. It's visually stunning and the music is great too. I would love to say the biggest flaw is the lack of fast forward button, but the overall gameplay is just too janky.

I would like to thank Xander77 again, I had wanted to try out Kingdoms and I don't regret the 6 or 7 hours I put into it. It's a real shame about the serious problems. If they ever do a Kingdoms II I hope they add a way to tell your peons what to do.
I should compile these somewhere. Here, I guess.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

BlazetheInferno posted:

Okay, Posting this here because it's on Steam and it doesn't otherwise have a topic to go in.

Dawn of War: Dark Crusade.

The Eldar starting position is TERRIBLE. Right off the bat, you only have one place to attack, and the honor guard you get there is a Ranger Squad. Decent to speed up scouting, and can deal with light infantry well enough, but drat near worthless for taking down bases.

From here, you have two choices of places to attack. One of them is guaranteed to be at least strength 6, which means two enemy bases, which means, with only a single Ranger Squad as honor guards, good luck taking one of the bases out before the other one runs rampant over your base, ESPECIALLY if the commander is there with their Honor Guard. Your OTHER choice of location gives you another Ranger Squad, which is... less than helpful.

If you go collect the second Ranger Squad, you still have two choices of destination: the stength 6 province mentioned before which, by the way, doesn't give any Honor Guard, it gives Bulwark, which only affects garrisoning basic troops in provinces you already control. Your other option that just opened up is Pavonis Spaceport. Not so bad to capture, but you really need to hope you get all six servitors before the two enemy bases start hammering you.

Once you have this, you basically have to look around the map and cherry-pick weak provinces with good Honor Guards, which if you're like me and hate breaking supply lines, is quite frustrating.

(if anyone knows of a better place to rant about/discuss Dawn of War, please point me to it!)

this is by design, you chose space elves and are being punished for it wtf were you thinking

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015

QuarkJets posted:

this is by design, you chose space elves and are being punished for it wtf were you thinking

I'm bored and couldn't decide who to play! I've been bingeing Dawn of War stuff lately, I've gone through Winter Assault, and I did Soulstorm as Orks (I found a couple tweaks that make the Soulstorm campaign bearable).

So I sure as gently caress ain't doing Dark Crusade as ORKS. I'm all Ork'd out.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe
Do Chaos or Imperial Guard. They're both fun as hell.

Heck give Tau or Necrons a try if you don't want to play something from the previous games. Both are done pretty well.

TheOneAndOnlyT
Dec 18, 2005

Well well, mister fancy-pants, I hope you're wearing your matching sweater today, or you'll be cut down like the ugly tree you are.

tildes posted:

I was under the impression that was what the game was going for as well? At least based on what the dude is saying: https://twitter.com/timsoret/status/1080366494968672256

Sounds like it's more an automating everything incl. (somehow?) culture/art, not UBI. Hard to say without the actual game though.

e: or the UBI is really low?- he says elsewhere it just meets basic needs, though that's not clear from Steam at all. A bit unclear really IDK
The whole UBI thing seems to be incidental anyway. He's basically saying that if all work and culture was automated, a UBI would be required in order for society to function. Which is arguably true, but reading it as supporting/opposing UBI in our current society is pointless because his premise assumes a society where humans aren't creating culture/art. I dunno about him, but I don't exactly see that ever happening.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

Subbz posted:

Anyone got anything good to say about The Long Dark?

How much do you like survival games? It's pretty unforgiving. I don't think I ever got to the point where I felt I was at a comfortable/sustainable place, and I died a heap of times. They just updated it, though.

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015

Mokinokaro posted:

Do Chaos or Imperial Guard. They're both fun as hell.

Heck give Tau or Necrons a try if you don't want to play something from the previous games. Both are done pretty well.

I mean, I'm not NEW to Dawn of War, I've just been bingeing it because I feel like it. I was kinda tempted to go for Tau? But on the other hand, Taldeer is so deliciously snarky in the Stronghold mission dialogues, and I love it. She gives absolutely zero fucks.

I'm just salty that Eldar get the unquestionably WORST Honor Guard selection starting off. Let's go through a list of all the races in Dark Crusade, and list off all the Honor Guard units within two provinces of their HQ.

Chaos: No less than THREE Chosen Champions, and two Raptor Champions all within two provinces of your starting position. Not bad, some solid meat for the front lines there.
Imperial Guard: Two units of Regimental Bodyguard (aka guardsmen), a Veterak KASRKIN SQUAD (drat nice!), and a Regimental Commissar to stick to one of those Guardsmen squads to beef everybody up with some summary executions.
Necrons: Are easy mode by virtue of being Necrons, but are also spoiled for choice due to being smack in the middle of the map. Crypt Immortals, FOUR different Crypt Warrior squads, a Crypt Pariah Squad, a build scarab, and two groups of Flayed Ones can all be found within two provinces of HQ.
Orkz: 'Eavy Stormboyz, and 3 groups of 'Eavy Shoota Boyz. The Shoota Boyz are nice because they come default with Big Shootas, so you don't have to spend resources upgrading them.
Space Marines: Two First Company Veterans and two Veteran Assault Marines. Those First Company Veterans are especially nice because they're versatile, being regular Tactical Marines instead of the Sergeant like the Chaos versions; so you can kit them out with different weapons for different targets.
Tau: Two Fire Warrior squads, a Vespid Elder Strain, a Kroot Alpha Pack, and two Veteran Stealth teams.

Then you have the Eldar, who literally have only those two Ranger Squads. And EVERYTHING else is, from that point, locked behind Strongholds or provinces with Non-Honor guard bonuses.

Plus, it doesn't really help that Taldeer is one of the weaker (not weakEST, I think) heroes - she has some nice abilities, but they don't exactly let her solo the likes of Gorgutz.

BlazetheInferno fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Jan 2, 2019

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

The whole UBI thing seems to be incidental anyway. He's basically saying that if all work and culture was automated, a UBI would be required in order for society to function. Which is arguably true, but reading it as supporting/opposing UBI in our current society is pointless because his premise assumes a society where humans aren't creating culture/art. I dunno about him, but I don't exactly see that ever happening.

Yeah, putting aside any of his motives or intended messages (it's important to not forget how his initial pitch was explicitly anti-feminist even if it's ostensibly changed now), the premise comes off as far-fetched to me and I don't have high hopes for it delivering any sort of insightful or interesting commentary.

Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Jan 2, 2019

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

*looks at a long list of awesome 40k armies, but selects Eldar*

DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



The problem with crawling as far up your own rear end as Tim Soret has is that by virtue of plunging the depths of your own colon so deeply, the lore you've made becomes the focal point of the game. As the focal point, it then looks very stupid if a basic Anthropology 101 class can prove your key premise completely wrong. It also doesn't help when you've "explained it 100x" because maybe the fact you have to do such a thing means you've done something wrong. If you instead treat the lore gently as a backdrop for a greater story with a greater message, and not constantly find yourself defending it, then it's OK to let it be picked apart because it didn't matter enough anyway, it wasn't the true focus of the game.

The lesser technical answer to why The Last Night sounds dumb is the fact that people naturally have varying degrees of how quickly they get bored of what culture/society has to offer. Automation will always and forever have a pattern that will be easily discernible to humans who get bored of things quickly, which will force said people to be creative. Maybe I'm missing some other key points (I'm only mildly interested in how the gently caress he plans on describing a "complex heterotopia" without resorting to a D&D-like alignment chart) but defending the premise hardly intrigues me to further seek how well it gets executed.

Edit: gently caress it, just put in big text at the start "humans can't detect patterns anymore because of a virus" and you'd better get away with the premise than having to reply to twitter trolls about UBI.

DaveKap fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Jan 2, 2019

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


So I just executed Nikolaus (somewhat early game spoiler in AC: O)

:stare: You don't get to see lady protagonists get this genuinely angry often.

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015

QuarkJets posted:

*looks at a long list of awesome 40k armies, but selects Eldar*



C'mon, you have to admit there's something satisfying about covering entire maps in invisible Listening Posts and laughing as the AI flails around wildly because they don't have a detector in range.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

SirSamVimes posted:

So I just executed Nikolaus (somewhat early game spoiler in AC: O)

:stare: You don't get to see lady protagonists get this genuinely angry often.

Kassandra can be such a raging rear end in a top hat. It's amazing.

Wait til you find the old pirate lady. That quest dialogue goes places.

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock
Also, no one got hyped for The Last Night because of its plot or setting. It was all about the graphics. I think focusing so much on his dystopic vision was a bad move for the creator.

ymgve fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Jan 2, 2019

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

BlazetheInferno posted:

(I found a couple tweaks that make the Soulstorm campaign bearable).
Care to elaborate? I really really want to like Soulstorm (come on, Sisters of Battle!), but the campaign is just so loving bad.

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exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Mokinokaro posted:

Kassandra can be such a raging rear end in a top hat. It's amazing.

Wait til you find the old pirate lady. That quest dialogue goes places.

One of the things that makes Kass so much fun as a character is that she ain't too bright, which makes it somewhat plausible for her to end up on wacky hijinks over and over, but unlike other AC protags she doesn't have any secret code of honor. She's got a few very strong convictions, and the rest is Drachma Rules Everything Around Me.

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