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teacup posted:to a four year old black kid it’s the only movie he’s ever seen with a kid who looks like him winning the day. That's a stretch. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It's a shame that they couldn't make the movie look good to reflect that. The visuals aren't beautiful, they're just complex. What they convey is completely pedestrian. Are we allowed to tell you to gently caress off?
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Jan 4, 2019 10:00
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It's a shame that they couldn't make the movie look good to reflect that. The visuals aren't beautiful, they're just complex. What they convey is completely pedestrian. Can you give a counter example of some actual psychedelic movies? Because fighting in the inchoate void as your colours leak out of your body would rank pretty highly for me. Or maybe critics are just misusing psychedelic, when really they mean "kaleidoscopic"?
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Jan 4, 2019 10:16
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:That's a stretch. I really really don’t think it is. Especially not a superhero.
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Jan 4, 2019 10:29
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Timeless Appeal posted:My wife nudged me during the movie, and I looked over to find next to us a four year old boy, who was black, in Brooklyn, leaned over the empty seat next to us, mouth agape at the film's finale. It was a pretty ideal way to watch the movie. this is the cutest story! i hope this ends up being something inspiring for the boy
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Jan 4, 2019 10:58
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The movie is about a kid losing his individuality as his story is hijacked by others, and he turns into a consumer and then a product. Others would say that using Socialist or Progressive language as a cudgel to bring down pop-art that includes black faces isn't great either.
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Jan 4, 2019 13:02
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:That's a stretch. gently caress you you loving piece of trash.
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Jan 4, 2019 13:34
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I just realized that there were two movies last year that featured Peter Parker's death.
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Jan 4, 2019 13:38
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Detective No. 27 posted:I just realized that there were two movies last year that featured Peter Parker's death. And one video game!
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Jan 4, 2019 13:40
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I haven't played the game yet. 
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Jan 4, 2019 13:41
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Detective No. 27 posted:I haven't played the game yet. You’ll die plenty.
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Jan 4, 2019 13:43
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Timeless Appeal posted:pop-art that includes black faces  Featuring "black faces" is not particularly progressive in itself.
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Jan 4, 2019 13:46
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The movie is about a kid losing his individuality as his story is hijacked by others, and he turns into a consumer and then a product. congrats botl in your pursuit of higher intellectualism you have become dumber than the 5 year old kids who saw this movie and understood its message perfectly. bards of the future will sing of your exploits
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Jan 4, 2019 14:18
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Timeless Appeal posted:My wife nudged me during the movie, and I looked over to find next to us a four year old boy, who was black, in Brooklyn, leaned over the empty seat next to us, mouth agape at the film's finale. It was a pretty ideal way to watch the movie. When I was a kid, I remember walking around after seeing The Phantom Menace and imagining myself to be like Anakin Skywalker-that one day, some starship was gonna crash in my backyard or on the playground and I'd jump in and go fly it into some heroic space battle. I think about those moments a lot when I see discussions of representation in television and film, and it's part of what makes me so happy that this movie exists and is so great-there's countless kids who are going to see a part of themselves in Miles (or Gwen!), and be inspired to imagine themselves as heroes in a way that maybe they weren't imagining before.
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Jan 4, 2019 14:21
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Can you give a counter example of some actual psychedelic movies? Because fighting in the inchoate void as your colours leak out of your body would rank pretty highly for me. This is what annoys me about BotL, he seems to be incredibly anal about meanings of words to suit his purpose without realising that lots of words have more than one meaning. It's a dipshit move and he's a lovely poster because of it.
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Jan 4, 2019 14:24
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Also, to emphasize just how important merely having a black face on the screen can be, here's an interview with Nichelle Nichols, who portrayed Lt. Uhura during the first series of Star Trek:quote:MARTIN: Now, in hindsight, of course, you know, everybody recognizes that this was a groundbreaking role. An African-American woman fourth in command on a spaceship in the 23rd century, you know, an officer, a leader. But you had actually planned to quit after your first season. Why? Source
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Jan 4, 2019 14:33
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Olympic Mathlete posted:This is what annoys me about BotL, he seems to be incredibly anal about meanings of words to suit his purpose without realising that lots of words have more than one meaning. It's a dipshit move and he's a lovely poster because of it. This is a pretty common bad faith debate tactic, and I’ve seen it used from time to time in CD. Last time I checked in on the Infinity War thread a bunch of people were acting really smug about how the sequel was misusing the word “decimate”, completely ignoring the fact that it hasn’t meant “remove exactly one tenth” for hundreds of years and, in fact, probably never meant only that. It’s an easy way to score quick credibility points.
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Jan 4, 2019 14:36
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Olympic Mathlete posted:This is what annoys me about BotL, he seems to be incredibly anal about meanings of words to suit his purpose without realising that lots of words have more than one meaning. It's a dipshit move and he's a lovely poster because of it. It's very tragic.
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Jan 4, 2019 15:20
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Olympic Mathlete posted:This is what annoys me about BotL, he seems to be incredibly anal about meanings of words to suit his purpose without realising that lots of words have more than one meaning. It's a dipshit move and he's a lovely poster because of it. I'm not criticizing the reviewers being wrong about the meaning of the word. They are correct that "psychedelic" can refer to vivid, intense lights and colours. The problem is that the movie doesn't live up to the description. The actual experience of watching Spider-Verse is completely pedestrian. The converse of this is Thor: Ragnarok, which is commonly described as looking like van art or a metal album cover. And it's true, it lives up the description. Van art and metal album covers look like rear end.
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Jan 4, 2019 15:22
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I'm not criticizing the reviewers being wrong about the meaning of the word. They are correct that "psychedelic" can refer ti vivid, intense lights and colours. You're entitled to your opinion but I am also entitled to tell you to gently caress off with your bullshit. You're just here to antagonize. And obviously the mod probation's aren't working since you don't stop. At least with SMG he can offer something that people can understand. Not you, yo're just a piece of poo poo. Dismissing a 4 year old black childs views on a movie is disgusting and you're even more disgusting for posting that. gently caress OFF FOREVER
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Jan 4, 2019 15:26
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Vintersorg posted:Dismissing a 4 year old black childs views on a movie is disgusting and you're even more disgusting for posting that. Timeless Appeal is not a four year old.
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Jan 4, 2019 15:31
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I'm not criticizing the reviewers being wrong about the meaning of the word. They are correct that "psychedelic" can refer to vivid, intense lights and colours. doesn't this become tiresome for you?
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Jan 4, 2019 15:32
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I'm not criticizing the reviewers being wrong about the meaning of the word. They are correct that "psychedelic" can refer to vivid, intense lights and colours. So what movie would you describe as psychedelic?
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Jan 4, 2019 15:34
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grieving for Gandalf posted:doesn't this become tiresome for you? Why would it? He’s constantly getting exactly what he wants. You don’t stop doing something when it works.
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Jan 4, 2019 15:39
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I'm not criticizing the reviewers being wrong about the meaning of the word. They are correct that "psychedelic" can refer to vivid, intense lights and colours. I don't care about that one particular word, you've pulled up other words in the past saying "x word means..." whilst completely ignoring the other meanings which are obviously the ones people are using. You seem to do it a lot. You should stop.
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Jan 4, 2019 15:40
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Strom Cuzewon posted:So what movie would you describe as psychedelic? I'm thinking about Pink Floyd's The Wall. Now if you mean a psychedelic children's movie, that'd be just inappropriate. e: Olympic Mathlete posted:I don't care about that one particular word, you've pulled up other words in the past saying "x word means..." whilst completely ignoring the other meanings which are obviously the ones people are using. You seem to do it a lot. You should stop. The discussion about whether or not Miles Morales was a tragic character also wasn't about the meaning of the word. People genuinely thought that Miles Morales was the hero of a tragedy in the sense of Oedipus or Amazing Fantasy #15. I was arguing that he wasn't. We mostly agreed on the meaning of the word in that specific context. We weren't ultimately debating the meaning of tragedy, we were debating the qualifications of tragedy. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Jan 4, 2019 |
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Jan 4, 2019 15:43
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How about kaleidoscopic?
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Jan 4, 2019 15:44
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Strom Cuzewon posted:How about kaleidoscopic? A fair description of the movie.
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Jan 4, 2019 17:01
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The discussion about whether or not Miles Morales was a tragic character also wasn't about the meaning of the word. I wasn't referring to this bit either, you specifically had a little post about the words 'hero' and 'superhero' choosing to decide that because Miles/Spider-Man didn't fit your specific requirements for those words, he's neither. It's just a bit weird to be that insistent on a word's meaning despite said words being generally understood and accepted as applying to this particular character and may others like him since the dawn of the genre.
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Jan 4, 2019 17:26
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I wasn't referring to this bit either, you specifically had a little post about the words 'hero' and 'superhero' choosing to decide that because Miles/Spider-Man didn't fit your specific requirements for those words, he's neither. It's just a bit weird to be that insistent on a word's meaning despite said words being generally understood and accepted as applying to this particular character and may others like him since the dawn of the genre. That wasn't about the literal meaning of the words. It's about the ideal that the words describe. Miles Morales is a poor superhero, as Spider-Man always is.
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Jan 4, 2019 17:28
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:That wasn't about the literal meaning of the words. It's about the ideal that the words describe. do you see movies for free or something? because I can't imagine spending all my precious money on going to see a movie that I know I'm probably gonna hate because I intrinsically dislike the character.
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Jan 4, 2019 17:31
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Can you just all stop responding to him? He’s just an obtuse arsehole who seems to delight in this poo poo. I’ve had him on ignore for quite some time, it’s improved my forums experience immensely, and I’d advise you all to do the same.
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Jan 4, 2019 17:52
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Lamps strikes me as the kind of miserable bastard who would slap someone else’s child because they were annoying him. Please heed Digital Paul McGann’s advice and stop arguing with and quoting him because it’s an exercise in circular tedium and you’re just making GBS threads the forums up by proxy for the 1,000+ people who have him on ignore specifically because they don’t want to read his blithering dipshittery.
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Jan 4, 2019 18:01
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nine-gear crow posted:Lamps strikes me as the kind of miserable bastard who would slap someone else’s child because they were annoying him. I would slap someone else's children even if they didn't annoy me, irl
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Jan 4, 2019 18:03
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Usually however I am content to own them in Fortnite
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Jan 4, 2019 18:09
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Conrad_Birdie posted:do you see movies for free or something? because I can't imagine spending all my precious money on going to see a movie that I know I'm probably gonna hate because I intrinsically dislike the character. Just because a character is bad at being a superhero doesn’t mean they’re a bad character. If anything, the fact that Spider-Man, in all his most basic stories, usually fails at being a superhero is what makes him so interesting.
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Jan 4, 2019 18:19
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Spider-Man doesn’t fail at being a superhero at all. That’s just some bullshit unattainable standard BotL whipped up. A big deal is made about “Parker luck” and how Peter seems to struggle more than most heroes, but how in the hell does that make him less heroic?
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Jan 4, 2019 18:24
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Phylodox posted:Spider-Man doesn’t fail at being a superhero at all. That’s just some bullshit unattainable standard BotL whipped up. A big deal is made about “Parker luck” and how Peter seems to struggle more than most heroes, but how in the hell does that make him less heroic? A superhero is a heroic figure with a colourful self-assumed identity and who is no longer recognizably human, but something more. Spider-Man has mutant powers but never becomes truly superhuman. He's an average guy who struggles to make a buck. The reason superheroes tend to wear masks is precisely to make them inhuman. "Nobody cares who I was until I put on the mask." The Phantom has white eyes to mimic the look of ancient statuary. He's no longer human, he's the Ghost Who Walks. Superman is an alien god. e: This was more or less the standard template for superheroes, until Stan Lee helped standardize the idea that a superhero might also just be a mutant in a weird costume. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Jan 4, 2019 |
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Jan 4, 2019 18:34
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:e: This was more or less the standard template for superheroes, until Stan Lee helped standardize the idea that a superhero might also just be a mutant in a weird costume. "Stan Lee ruined my head-canon definition of 'superhero' 60 years ago therefore this other character based on one of his properties isn't a superhero today QED." What the gently caress are you talking about?
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Xealot posted:"Stan Lee ruined my head-canon definition of 'superhero' 60 years ago therefore this other character based on one of his properties isn't a superhero today QED." Spider-Man is a superhero. He's just a bad one, and that's the basic appeal of his character.
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