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OldTennisCourt posted:It's fascinating how the Nightmare remake managed to make a movie about a dream controlling burned immortal knife fingered serial killer incredibly boring. Somebody accidentally bumped the Freddy lever from “quips” to “pedophile”
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OldTennisCourt posted:Discussion: The Friday the 13th remake is actually pretty good. I thought Nana Visitor did a nice go of Pamela Voorhees.
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Jan 4, 2019 21:06
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Fart City posted:Somebody accidentally bumped the Freddy lever from “quips” to “pedophile” I love how most of it was call backs to Freddy Vs Jason of all things. "Welcome to my world" "eyes say no no..." even Freddy's death is the same. Very very odd.
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OldTennisCourt posted:Discussion: The Friday the 13th remake is actually pretty good. Resolved: The Friday the 13th Remake sucks.
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Jan 4, 2019 21:16
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Final Opinion: It's good. Okay, next question please.
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Jan 4, 2019 21:20
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Yeah it’s pretty good.
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Jan 4, 2019 21:22
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Has there ever been an in-canon establishment of what Jason’s disfigurement/condition is besides “whoa, god drat?”
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Jan 4, 2019 21:25
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He's bumpy.
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Jan 4, 2019 21:31
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Has there ever been an in-canon explanation of why Jason almost-drowned and then decided to live in the woods for some reason, even though his mom was right there.
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Jan 4, 2019 21:35
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Origami Dali posted:Has there ever been an in-canon explanation of why Jason almost-drowned and then decided to live in the woods for some reason, even though his mom was right there. Technically I think he lived in the lake until his mom died
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Jan 4, 2019 21:46
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Origami Dali posted:Has there ever been an in-canon explanation of why Jason almost-drowned and then decided to live in the woods for some reason, even though his mom was right there. I can't remember where I read it, but it was by the time he got out of the lake and regained consciousness he was already presumed dead so he went into the woods until the camp was reopened since it closed the summer he 'died' and Pamela kept sabotaging the attempted openings.
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Jan 4, 2019 21:50
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Drunkboxer posted:Is The Changeling the first movie to do the spooky ball bouncing down the stairs thing? Oh man, you definitely need to see Kill, Baby, Kill. It's one of Bava's best. The (original) Twin Peaks series finale swipes a few things from it too.
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Jan 4, 2019 21:55
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Origami Dali posted:Has there ever been an in-canon explanation of why Jason almost-drowned and then decided to live in the woods for some reason, even though his mom was right there. He was too crazy for Boy's Town and too much of a boy for Crazy Town.
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I haven't read the group consensus yet, but I recently watched the Halloween reboot and thought it was ok. I'm not sure what they were trying to accomplish (beside raking in easy money), and it was entertaining enough but just felt unnecessary . Something with the call backs to the first movie too... there were either too many or shoehorned in, they kind of pulled me out of the movie
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Jan 4, 2019 22:00
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Fart City posted:Somebody accidentally bumped the Freddy lever from “quips” to “pedophile” People always say this but growing up I never knew anyone who thought the Freddy in the original abducted kids and brought them into his furnace basement and JUST killed them. I haven't seen the original in a while but this didn't seem like a far out concept when watching or talking about it. Still glad I never got around to seeing the remake though as described in this thread it sounds like it was awful in every way.
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M_Sinistrari posted:I can't remember where I read it, but it was by the time he got out of the lake and regained consciousness he was already presumed dead so he went into the woods until the camp was reopened since it closed the summer he 'died' and Pamela kept sabotaging the attempted openings. Yet another weird thing where if the lake itself is a weird evil force rather than Jason himself then all of the movies make sense together.
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Neo Rasa posted:People always say this but growing up I never knew anyone who thought the Freddy in the original abducted kids and brought them into his furnace basement and JUST killed them. I haven't seen the original in a while but this didn't seem like a far out concept when watching or talking about it. Yeah, I mean it was certainly out there, but it wasn’t focused on. And generally speaking it pretty much disappeared altogether as Freddy morphed more and more into Bugs Bunny (and arguably his definitive pop culture version). The remake like, very specifically makes the molestation an explicit tentpole of its narrative, and it pushes the entire tone of the film in a way grosser direction.
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I have a bit of a theory that Part 2 is trying to retcon the timeline a little bit. There is the really unnecessary five year time gap that only makes sense if you think of it as them wanting to justify Jason being an adult. I think Part 2 is operating under the assumption that the jump scare at the end of one isn't a dream. There really was a little kid Jason in the lake. This is reenforced by the fact that they make the choice to show you the jumpscare again in Part 2's little recap. It is coming in the form of a dream, but still. If they wanted to make it that Jason was in his forties, they would just skip it. So, the events of Jason's drowning and the murders before part 1 happen just slightly before the original film starts instead of being decades before. So, Jason only had like a couple of years of hanging out in the woods as a child, sees his mom killed at let's say age thirteen, travels out of Crystal Lake for revenge, and then has five years to gently caress around in the woods being angry and sad.
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Jan 4, 2019 22:24
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A full grown man just ate aqua-boy Jason’s heart and got possessed by his spirit.
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Fart City posted:Has there ever been an in-canon establishment of what Jason’s disfigurement/condition is besides “whoa, god drat?” During the podcast In Voorhees We Trust, they discuss how psychologists and doctors, for fun, examined horror icons, and the popular conclusion among then was that Jason's disfigurements come from fetal alcohol syndrome. Fart City posted:Yeah, I mean it was certainly out there, but it wasn’t focused on. And generally speaking it pretty much disappeared altogether as Freddy morphed more and more into Bugs Bunny (and arguably his definitive pop culture version). There's a weird thing about the NoES movies where, as the series goes on, the implications of Freddy's crimes become less common, and the more Freddy's backstory of being created from rape becomes explicit, to the point where they reenact it. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jan 4, 2019 |
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Franchescanado posted:During the podcast In Voorhees We Trust, they discuss how psychologists and doctors, for fun, examined horror icons, and the popular conclusion among then was that Jason's disfigurements come from fetal alcohol syndrome. That’s interesting, and has some equally interesting implications for Pamela Vorhees’ character in general.
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Fart City posted:That’s interesting, and has some equally interesting implications for Pamela Vorhees’ character in general. Pounding brewskis with pregnant Pam Vorhees.
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Fart City posted:That’s interesting, and has some equally interesting implications for Pamela Vorhees’ character in general. It's a fun podcast. They're huge nerds, and they spend a lot of time going into theories of Pamela's story. Basically a small-town kid who got pregnant at a young age, had to go live with the baby's father, started drinking to deal with the stress, may or may not have known she was pregnant. They're good theories.
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In a way it kind of reframes her murdering of drunken and horny teens as not only getting revenge for her child drowning, but also possibly lashing out against the types of behaviors that ultimately led to Jason, period. There’s an interesting projection aspect lent to her murder spree in that light.
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Franchescanado posted:
Yeah, I love the Nightmare movies but there's a clear thing where he's absolutely a pedophile serial killer when it starts and by the time Wes is trying to fix poo poo in New Nightmare he's basically an antihero. I've never gotten around to the remake but I'm actually kind of intrigued by a take that strips away the comedy and love for Freddy and highlights what an evil piece of poo poo he is.
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By the end of the Nightmare series they bent over backwards to explain that what Freddy was doing wasn't his fault because checks notes Uh looks like demons. Yeah. Demons. I think people were surprised honestly at how impactful and iconic Freddy became. Like Craven was even surprised everyone was. So you had this huge marketing Cash cow and then it's like uh " we should probably retcon that he's a diddler or something". Hollismason fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jan 5, 2019 |
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The movie with the most overt reference to Freddy being a child molester is, oddly, Freddy vs. Jason. Him being a diddler was never the point because his initial motivation in the movies is revenge against the parents who killed him, not creepy ghost lust. Otherwise, he'd just be molesting kids in the dream world and nobody wants to see that poo poo. His motive gets pretty muddled around the middle of the series though, where he just enjoys killing and wants to kill as many people as possible for fun I guess. None of these long running slasher series can really maintain a consistent internal logic for very long.
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There's no horror series that goes beyond more than 2 sequels that doesn't eventually poo poo the bed at some point. Even the Child's Play series has part 3.
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Hollismason posted:There's no horror series that goes beyond more than 2 sequels that doesn't eventually poo poo the bed at some point. Even the Child's Play series has part 3. evil bong
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I'll throw down that Scream as it stands never got outright bad, Certainly middling, but not lovely.
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TheKingslayer posted:I'll throw down that Scream as it stands never got outright bad, Certainly middling, but not lovely. I dunno, 3 is pretty bad with that portable voice changer nonsense.
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Hollismason posted:There's no horror series that goes beyond more than 2 sequels that doesn't eventually poo poo the bed at some point. Even the Child's Play series has part 3. CP3 is just kinda bland and mediocre. It's nowhere near the level of the other franchises' lows.
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Hollismason posted:By the end of the Nightmare series they bent over backwards to explain that what Freddy was doing wasn't his fault because I thought the demons came after he got set on fire. They came to give him a chance to be more evil than before. They didn't cause him to kill kids.
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Hollismason posted:There's no horror series that goes beyond more than 2 sequels that doesn't eventually poo poo the bed at some point. Even the Child's Play series has part 3. Demons, Demons 2, The Church, Demons 3, Demons 3, Demons 3, Demons 3 Checkmate. 
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Lurdiak posted:Resolved: The Friday the 13th Remake sucks. Everybody always says the teens in the Ft13 films are annoying, but the remake was the only one, to me, where they intentionally tried to make them as annoying as possible and it just ruins it for me. I just want to turn off the film because they're so annoying. If they'd toned them down just a bit it would have been more palpable.
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anyone know where i can watch the black and white version of The Mist? is it official or a bootleg?
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Franchescanado posted:Demons, Demons 2, The Church, Demons 3, Demons 3, Demons 3, Demons 3 3 of the 4 Demons 3 are not good.
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Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:anyone know where i can watch the black and white version of The Mist? is it official or a bootleg? Special feature on the official release
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Hollismason posted:There's no horror series that goes beyond more than 2 sequels that doesn't eventually poo poo the bed at some point. Even the Child's Play series has part 3. TheKingslayer posted:I'll throw down that Scream as it stands never got outright bad, Certainly middling, but not lovely. You guys are loving crazy. also Basket Case
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Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:anyone know where i can watch the black and white version of The Mist? is it official or a bootleg? You could try your local library; that’s how I saw it 
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