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I know they’re not fictional but I don’t understand why the old gypsy woman says so much
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Blue Footed Booby posted:It drives me nuts because you see hurr durr bigotry about Roma from people who wouldn't in a million years fall for the same rhetoric used to color all black folks or poor immigrants as criminals, but there's some weird disconnect with this particular group. yeah in the thread the quote was from i told the guy to replace roma with black and tell me its not racist
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Jan 5, 2019 04:57
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It wasn’t until I read these forums when I was like 17 or 18 that I realized that gypsy: A: wasn’t the preferred nomenclature B: was an actual ethnic group and not just a term for a group of traveling performers or other nomads
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Jan 5, 2019 05:09
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Malachite_Dragon posted:I'm fully aware they aren't all Esmeralda from Hunchback, that doesn't make Europeans turning into screaming banshees spitting pillars of flame at the mere mention of them any less racist. Oh yeah, no doubt. I just think for some people it sounds weirdly quaint at first.
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Jan 5, 2019 05:24
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snergle posted:yeah in the thread the quote was from i told the guy to replace roma with black and tell me its not racist My family loves Steve Harvey so there's a lot of overlap in these Venn diagrams.
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Jan 5, 2019 05:29
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For the record, the thread was the discussion thread for the new season of Seth Mcfarlane’s latest project The Orville.
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Jan 5, 2019 06:18
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Somfin posted:Never forget that White Wolf, the guys who made Vampire the Masquerade and a large number of other monster-based RPGs using the same system, also released one called World of Darkness: Gypsies, a sourcebook allowing you to make a Gypsy character with special skills involving fleecing idiots for cash, drinking too much (they are literally the only sourcebook with a statistical alcohol tolerance), getting bizarrely lucky, and hypnotising people with dancing. Gypsy Knife Dancing or some poo poo? If I'm remembering right, each level you had let you make an additional attack, and since you used that skill to make the attack, this meant that at level 5 you could make 5 attacks with a dice pool of at least 5. Furthermore, this means that at level 1, it grants no bonus whatsoever. edit- and if you wield two weapons when doing this, that means you get to make TEN full attacks per round.
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Jan 5, 2019 06:21
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Ariong posted:For the record, the thread was the discussion thread for the new season of Seth Mcfarlane’s latest project The Orville. Oh they were probably just being racist ironically then
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Jan 5, 2019 06:22
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Chuck Buried Treasure posted:It wasn’t until I read these forums when I was like 17 or 18 that I realized that gypsy: They’re called gypsies because they’re from Egypt.
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Jan 5, 2019 07:20
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Ariong posted:For the record, the thread was the discussion thread for the new season of Seth Mcfarlane’s latest project The Orville. Oh word?
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Jan 5, 2019 07:28
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jit bull transpile posted:Oh they were probably just being racist ironically then As is often the case online, someone used the word “gypped” without thinking about it and poo poo kinda spiraled from there.
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Jan 5, 2019 07:49
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Lmao another Roma chat in which Americans who have never interacted with them get holier than thou on the one racist thing they can definitely pin onto Europe. Roma people, mostly because of being disenfranchised, prosecuted and discriminated against are very poor, very uneducated and completely outside of mainstream society. As a result they are also often criminals and get into conflict with society. Europeans are undoubtly racist about them but it is quite hard to stay unprejudiced about them when literally every single interaction with them is them begging or attempting to pickpocket you. It is a very complex issue, but please go in pointing at us and going "seee, seeeeee you're racist too!".
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Jan 5, 2019 08:32
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Son of Rodney posted:It is a very complex issue, but please go in pointing at us and going "seee, seeeeee you're racist too!". you are though
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Jan 5, 2019 08:49
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it's quite complex which is why it's fine you're reducing it to 'interacting with them is either begging or being pick-pocketed' 
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Jan 5, 2019 08:51
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Son of Rodney posted:Lmao another Roma chat in which Americans who have never interacted with them get holier than thou on the one racist thing they can definitely pin onto Europe. Roma people, mostly because of being disenfranchised, prosecuted and discriminated against are very poor, very uneducated and completely outside of mainstream society. As a result they are also often criminals and get into conflict with society. Lmao
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Jan 5, 2019 09:01
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Shut up about gypsies and racism already itt
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Jan 5, 2019 09:01
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Son of Rodney posted:Lmao another Roma chat in which Americans who have never interacted with them get holier than thou on the one racist thing they can definitely pin onto Europe. Roma people, mostly because of being disenfranchised, prosecuted and discriminated against are very poor, very uneducated and completely outside of mainstream society. As a result they are also often criminals and get into conflict with society.  You Americans just don’t understand how hard it is not being racist! EDIT: Seriously though WHAT in the legitimate gently caress are you talking about. Ariong has a new favorite as of 09:16 on Jan 5, 2019 |
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Jan 5, 2019 09:13
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Son of Rodney posted:Lmao another Roma chat in which Americans who have never interacted with them get holier than thou on the one racist thing they can definitely pin onto Europe. Roma people, mostly because of being disenfranchised, prosecuted and discriminated against are very poor, very uneducated and completely outside of mainstream society. As a result they are also often criminals and get into conflict with society. lmao this is so loving racist.
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Jan 5, 2019 09:15
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Son of Rodney posted:Lmao another Roma chat in which Americans who have never interacted with them get holier than thou on the one racist thing they can definitely pin onto Europe. Roma people, mostly because of being disenfranchised, prosecuted and discriminated against are very poor, very uneducated and completely outside of mainstream society. As a result they are also often criminals and get into conflict with society. lmao I normally only see this level of denial from old white southerners
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Jan 5, 2019 09:24
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It's so hard to not be racist against the Romani, because due to racism against them, that entire ethinc group are beggars and theives. I'm not racist for thinking that, because it's true. Please don't call me racist.
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Jan 5, 2019 09:27
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Turtlicious posted:lmao this is so loving racist. It's really amazing how often they'll just say "no no you don't get it, this racism is RIGHT"
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Jan 5, 2019 09:27
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Son of Rodney posted:Lmao another Roma chat in which Americans who have never interacted with them get holier than thou on the one racist thing they can definitely pin onto Europe. Roma people, mostly because of being disenfranchised, prosecuted and discriminated against are very poor, very uneducated and completely outside of mainstream society. As a result they are also often criminals and get into conflict with society. drat, great find. Which thread did this come from?
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Jan 5, 2019 09:30
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Lol Jesus, way to prove a point there champ "But you don't understand, they really are all thieving scum!!!"
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Jan 5, 2019 09:30
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:Roma are treated with less respect than garbage. People can be weirdly protective/territorial of their garbage. I saw a discussion somewhere which started "The neighbours sometimes put their rubbish in my bins when I put them out for collection, what do I do?" and some of the people responding were incredibly angry about other people putting their trash in their bins. Like, screaming HOW DARE THEY and threatening physical violence. (They weren't mixing general trash in the recycling bins, or filling them up before people could put their own trash in them, or anything that would inconvenience them in any way.)
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Jan 5, 2019 09:40
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Son of Rodney posted:Lmao another Roma chat in which Americans who have never interacted with them get holier than thou on the one racist thing they can definitely pin onto Europe. Roma people, mostly because of being disenfranchised, prosecuted and discriminated against are very poor, very uneducated and completely outside of mainstream society. As a result they are also often criminals and get into conflict with society. 
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Jan 5, 2019 09:56
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I really wasn't joking about the "turning into screaming banshees spitting pillars of flame at the mere mention of them" bit. Jesus Christ on a saltine. E: no, seriously, replace each instance of the word "Roma" in that racist paragraph with "Black/Blacks" and then think really, really hard about your life choices Malachite_Dragon has a new favorite as of 10:14 on Jan 5, 2019 |
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Jan 5, 2019 10:12
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:People can be weirdly protective/territorial of their garbage. I saw a discussion somewhere which started "The neighbours sometimes put their rubbish in my bins when I put them out for collection, what do I do?" and some of the people responding were incredibly angry about other people putting their trash in their bins. Like, screaming HOW DARE THEY and threatening physical violence.
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Jan 5, 2019 10:17
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Malachite_Dragon posted:think really, really hard about your life choices Why would anyone do this? lmao
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Jan 5, 2019 10:18
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Just to prove the point:Son of Rodney posted:Lmao another Negro chat in which Europeans who have never interacted with them get holier than thou on the one racist thing they can definitely pin onto America. Black people, mostly because of being disenfranchised, prosecuted and discriminated against are very poor, very uneducated and completely outside of mainstream society. As a result they are also often criminals and get into conflict with society. barbecue at the folks has a new favorite as of 12:29 on Jan 5, 2019 |
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Jan 5, 2019 10:22
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Son of Rodney posted:Lmao another Roma chat in which Americans who have never interacted with them get holier than thou on the one racist thing they can definitely pin onto Europe. Roma people, mostly because of being disenfranchised, prosecuted and discriminated against are very poor, very uneducated and completely outside of mainstream society. As a result they are also often criminals and get into conflict with society. face_slowly_melting_off_to_reveal_hitler.gif
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Jan 5, 2019 10:30
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Me I hate the poor. Thieving crime-doing filth of the earth all of them.
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Jan 5, 2019 12:04
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man who knew the rodney family used to be called foresters.
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Jan 5, 2019 12:10
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White people still suck, right? We're still cool with that?
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Jan 5, 2019 12:56
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Karate Bastard posted:Me I hate the poor. Thieving crime-doing filth of the earth all of them. Same, except the rich.
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Jan 5, 2019 12:59
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Oh boy, I should not have touched the poop. I will admit that seeing the replies has made me actually think about the topic again instead of defaulting to the knee-jerk (racist) reaction that comes naturally when talking about sinti and roma, and I'm doing some reading about them right now. It made me realize how deep-seated my own anti-roman prejudice actually is, as I don't see myself as a racist person at all and try hard in daily life to act against racism. I will say that americans maybe don't have a realistic view of the situation, and tend to oversimplify it, as the issues with the roman people are quite real and significant, but that doesn't excuse racism against them. So I guess I learned something today.
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Jan 5, 2019 13:08
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Clitch posted:White people still suck, right? We're still cool with that? Wow, change white people with gypsies and read your post again.
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Jan 5, 2019 13:09
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purple death ray posted:Thissss, I've seen people in a conversation about how terrible stereotypes are, and when Roma come up they'll literally say "Oh but with them it's actually true though", like, have a single moment of self awareness once in your Goddamn life It keeps happening!! You literally bust in here like "Americans don't know what they're talking about" and then you read a thing and you're like "I don't know what I'm talking about". Fuckin think a little bit before you Kramer in here and start final solutioning off the goddamn walls. Son of Rodney posted:I will say that americans maybe don't have a realistic view of the situation, and tend to oversimplify it, as the issues with the roman people are quite real and significant, but that doesn't excuse racism against them. lol. We oversimplify it because to Americans grown up before the Internet, 'gypsy' is a Halloween costume. As you can see ITT a lot of people grew up thinking they were mythical beings, or something that didn't really exist any more, or the word is just a synonym for 'carny' or 'fortune teller'. We don't really have Romani here, yall do. We oversimplify it because we don't have those generations of learned hate seeping into our heads - if an American claims they are against racism, the main thing they need to overcome to treat Romani with respect is to learn that they exist at all as an actual ethnic group. You guys have such a massive blind spot to it. Do you not realize how fuckin monstrous you sound using words like 'realistic' to describe this? Have you ever encountered a 'race realist' before? I don't think you'd want to jump on that bandwagon. purple death ray has a new favorite as of 13:28 on Jan 5, 2019 |
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Jan 5, 2019 13:16
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Son of Rodney posted:Oh boy, I should not have touched the poop. I will admit that seeing the replies has made me actually think about the topic again instead of defaulting to the knee-jerk (racist) reaction that comes naturally when talking about sinti and roma, and I'm doing some reading about them right now. It made me realize how deep-seated my own anti-roman prejudice actually is, as I don't see myself as a racist person at all and try hard in daily life to act against racism. I will say that americans maybe don't have a realistic view of the situation, and tend to oversimplify it, as the issues with the roman people are quite real and significant, but that doesn't excuse racism against them. *credits play, GUEST STARRING RODNEY DANGERFIELD appears onscreen*
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Jan 5, 2019 13:27
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I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but I'd like to believe you are. Realizing and acknowledging it is an important step to bettering yourself.
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Nah I totally am serious, when I realize I'm wrong about something I try and change it.
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