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 Welcome to the Island of Misfit This is the Misc. Racing Thread, home for discussion of all kinds of racing that aren't Formula 1, IndyCar, or NASCAR. Feel free to post about sports car racing, touring cars, rallying, off-road racing, motocross, and anything else you can think of. So much good racing is available to watch (especially online officially) that we can share and discuss while enjoying speedy race cars.  So what kind of racing are you talking about here, then? We talk a lot about sports-car racing. It’s the racing, primarily on road and street courses, of cars which come closest in design and spirit to street cars. After the big And at the top of sports cars are what’s called prototypes -- single-seat racers with closed tops and fenders. The Grand Prix cars of long-distance racing. Why should I care about sports car racing? There’s a wide variety -- of cars, drivers, locations, and of race distances. It’s where your favorites from Formula 1, IndyCar and NASCAR past will wind up. Races are often long (6-, 12- and 24-hour races are not uncommon), and feature multiple classes of car racing on the same track but in individual class battles alongside the overall win. The world of sports car racing tends to be friendlier and more approachable than other parts, while still attracting many colorful characters. Okay. So tell me about the cars! Within sports car racing, there are two major groups: Prototypes and GT cars.   One of the current LMP-1 prototypes | Current GT Porsche 911 and Aston Martin Vantage Let’s start with the easier one: Prototypes are often the fastest cars on track, and as mentioned, they’re similar to Formula 1 cars or Indy cars, but build to go fast and for a long time. Within prototypes, there are often various classes -- currently LMP1, LMP2 and LMP3 -- and they refer to generally how fast the cars are. GT-class cars are generally racing versions of supercars or sports cars from brands like Porsche, Aston Martin, Ferrari, BMW, and others. As long as there has been sports car racing, people have made modifications to street cars to take them racing; now, that work is just more professional and expensive. For example: Porsche uses the 911 as its base for GT racing, and the racing Porsche 911 RSR looks like a Porsche 911 but ready for battle. These cars are raced both by the manufacturers that make them (eg Porsche Racing having “factory” teams) and by customers who buy the cars and enter them. Also, compared with Formula 1 or IndyCar, the big difference is the cars are teams unto themselves: Even the shorter races generally require two drivers to share time in a car, and endurance races will see teams of three, four, or five drivers sharing duty. So, what are the series I should know?  The FIA World Endurance Championship is the highest level of sports-car racing. It’s an FIA World Championship, same as Formula 1 and the World Rally Championship, which means a lot. The WEC schedule includes the 24 Hours of Le Mans, which means almost as much, if not more, as Le Mans remains a hugely popular event and a major marketing point for all these big manufacturers. The WEC features LMP1 cars, LMP2 cars, and two GT classes, and is pretty fun to watch.  Under the WEC are various regional series, the highest profile of which is IMSA in the United States. Its a US and Canadian-based series, but many teams and drivers will also compete at Le Mans on an annual basis. IMSA also has a number of high-profile races: endurance epics include the 24 Hours of Daytona in January, the Sebring 12 Hours in March, and Petit Le Mans at Road Atlanta in October, plus marquee shorter races at Long Beach, Road America, and more. Other regional series under the WEC include the European Le Mans Series, and Asian Le Mans Series, which both act as feeders to the World Endurance Championship and 24 Hours of Le Mans.  But there are other series in this sports car world! Many of them fall under a sports car rulebook called GT3. These are cars made by big companies (Porsche, Ferrari, BMW, Mercedes, Nissan, Audi) which are sold to customers. GT3 cars are expected to be balanced to achieve a similar level of performance -- in theory, a driver could take each of those cars around a track and get roughly the same lap time. This has led to a boom in series aimed to customers, as the cars are relatively affordable, well-built, fairly easy to drive (especially compared to customer cars from the 1970s and ‘80s) and eligible to race in a lot of exciting events. The 24 Hours races at Spa-Francorchamps in Belgium and the Nurburgring in Germany are highlights for GT3-type racing worldwide. Great! So how/when do I watch? Because the sports-car world is so diverse, there’s a lot to watch. Happily, much of it is readily available online or even via YouTube.
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Other Wonderful Misfit Series of Note Formula E YouTube Channel Link  Now in its fifth season, the FIA Formula E championship is a heavily-pushed series that attempts to re-think multiple aspects of the traditional racing series and weekend. Beyond eschewing internal combustion engines for a fully electric drivetrain, the series also stands out thanks to having one-day events (qualifying and the race on the same day), and holding those events not at existing race circuits but in city centers worldwide. This year is actually a decent time to get into Formula E: the season has just started (the first round was in December 2018 in Saudi Arabia), the races are easy to watch and don't run 2+ hours each, and most importantly, there's a new chassis for this year. This means the most common joke leveled at Formula E -- that its cars couldn't last a race distance, so drivers had to pit stop not to refuel but to change cars -- is now gone, replaced by something that also happens to look a good bit more Tron. The other aspect with Formula E is that, compared with other top-level parts of motor racing, it's relatively inexpensive and is attracting a ton of manufacturers: Audi, BMW, DS, Jaguar, Mahindra and Nissan all have teams in the series, while Mercedes-Benz and Porsche are both set to join in coming years. It's relevant to their World Rally Championship (WRC) Rally is in a better position than its been for years. Rules have been liberalized giving the cars about 380hp and growing more crazy aero appendages every event. There are currently four major teams, Hyundai, Toyota, Citroen and M-Sport (privateers using Fords), and they have all won several events the past few years making it one of the most even fields ever in Rally. Teams Hyundai  Hyundai has steadily grown over the last 20 years to become one of the most resourceful and best teams, but it has never really come together for them to take a title. They never seem to have quite the fastest or most robust car, or the fastest drivers, but it has been achingly close for years. Toyota  Toyota returned to rally in 2017. Originally the team was planned to be run by the same outfit that runs the LMP programme in Germany. Rally legend Tommi Makinen was given the job instead, and the team has been based out of his barn in Finland since. The confidence put in him paid off quickly with them winning in only their second event in Sweden. They have quickly become one of the most competitive teams, crowned by winning the manufacturers title in 2018. An eclectic stable of drivers and a fast but somewhat frail car makes this an exiting team to follow. It also seems to enjoy strong personal support by Toyota CEO and heir Akio Toyoda. M-Sport  M-Sport is the chronically underfunded privateer running Fords. They used to be the Ford factory team until 2012, and languished in the following years. When VW pulled out of rally following the 2016 season, team boss Malcom Wilson reportedly mortgaged his house to secure their champion Sebastian Ogier. It immediately paid off and M-Sport secured the drivers title twice and the manufactures title once in the past two seasons. With their in-house prodigy Ott Tanak leaving for Toyota last year, and Ogier going to Citroen this year, I fear they will return to mediocracy, but I’d love to be proven wrong Citroen  Citroen went from being one of the most dominant teams ever, to pretty poo poo since Loeb left. They put all their faith in Kris Meeke as their lead driver even when they had the chance to grab any of the VW drivers two years back, only to fire him mid-season last year. They were the only team not to win a rally last year. Now they have lured Ogier back, and will probably be a force to be reconed with from that alone Select Drivers Sebasitian Ogier Co driver: Julien Ingrassia Team: Citroen Has won the past six drivers world championships. First with the dominant VW team, then with the underdog M-Sport team. He will move to the underdog Citroen team this year to try to further his legacy. Unquestionably the best driver of the current generation, but his driving style is quite lairy and fun to watch. Thierry Neuville Co driver: Nicolas Gilsoul Team: Hyundai The perennial runner up. He has finished second 5 times in the championship but never won. Although he is fast and seemingly much tidier than Ogier, he makes a few too many mistakes across a season to truly challenge him. Maybe this year will be it? Ott Tanak Co driver: Martin Järveoja Team: Toyota The M-Sport wonderchild moved to Toyota before the 2018 season, and immediately positioned himself as their #1 driver. His Toyota had one too many reliability issues in the early season last year for him to be in serious contention for the championship, but he was extremely fast after the summer break to drag himself back into contention. With the Toyota getting ever better, and Ogier having to adapt to a new team, this might just be his year. Kris Meeke Co driver Sebastian Marshall Team: Toyota Collin McRae’s spiritual successor. His win or crash altitude didn’t endear him to his previous employers Citroen, but he is hugely fun to watch. Toyota has taken him on for this season Jari Matti Latvalla Co driver: Miikka Anttila Team: Toyota The other perennial runner up. As Ogiers team mate at VW, he was always that little bit behind, and by his own admission it took a toll on him mentally. Now his new teammate Ott Tanak is upstaging him as well. He is the most experienced driver in the field, and still has the speed to win rallies though. Andreas Mikkelsen Co driver: Anders Jaeger Team: Hyundai Was without a job when VW folded two years ago but was taken in by Hyundai as a full-time driver. He had an awful last season with freak accidents and poor reliability. Nonetheless, he will have to improve to keep his drive. Sebastien Loeb Co Driver: Daniel Elena Team: Hyundai The other dominant Sebastian having a record 9 driver titles under his belt. He retired from full time rally in 2012 and has only attended select events since. Now that his rallycross team has folded, he might be a more frequent fixture. Still has the speed to win events. How to watch All stages are now streamed live on the WRC+ paid streaming service. Its pretty good if fairly low bitrate and quality, but the events take place in the middle of nowhere, so nut sure how much one can expect. https://plus.wrc.com/en/?utm_source=wrc-com&utm_medium=banner&utm_content=livestages There are live text updates and timing on the WRC webpage. https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/livetiming/page/4175----.html The youtube channel has short summaries and highlights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WERua1duBTU Super GT  Ah yes. This one's more for the hardcore. Almost 25 years old, the Super GT series (previously the Japanese GT Championship or JGTC) is Japan's premier national sports car series, and a paradise for diehard racing fans. The series is divided in two classes: GT500 and GT300. The top class, GT500, is the home of factory-backed teams racing Nissan, Honda and Lexus/Toyota machines, though there is often strong family rivalries inside each of the brand's teams. As well, these teams are backed by the manufacturer's engineering departments -- this is purely an exercise in the designers and boffins trying to make faster race cars, not to market them to the masses. It's also an engineering exercise for the tire brands, who can develop the tires throughout the year -- a major difference compared with other series around the world. And there are a number of teams which have been running with their brands since the early days 20-plus years ago. This is where I mention the "blue shinkansen" Impul Nissan, the Denso Sard and TOMS Toyotas, the orange ARTA Honda and blue Real Racing Honda. If you played Gran Turismo 2, you'd be shocked to see familiar cars on the grid in 2019. The GT300 class is made of privateers, with a few smaller factory efforts rolled in. Most teams have moved to GT3 machinery, but a few oddballs still exist. Subaru has built a BRZ using the old WRC engine, for example. And then there's the Toyota Priuses, which use off-the-shelf hybrid systems, but had put a Prototype-grade V8 racing engine into the middle of the car until this season. Madness. It goes without saying that this is mad, wonderful racing. Nissan has helped make this series more accessible to those outside Japan in recent years, hosting English commentary streams on their NISMO YouTube channel. Hopefully they'll continue for 2019. Series Schedules 2018-19 WEC "Super Season"
2019 IMSA WeatherTech Sports Car Series
2018-19 Formula E Series
2019 World Rally Championship
2019 European Le Mans Series
2018-19 Asian Le Mans Series
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DTM ditched their loving sweet night race at Misano, fuckers.
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Asian Le Mans Series round at Buriram is live in an hour and a half: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzCLPYsazK8
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24H Series at Dubai is streaming live atm with about 8 hours to go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEz-xBixEG4
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Kinda disappointed are Lance isn't doing the 24 hours of Daytona this year.
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Formula E threads were kinda dead so I figured we'd talk about it here. I normally made those but idk if it's enough for it's own. They're running at Marrakesh this weekend, 10am Eastern
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MazeOfTzeentch posted:Formula E threads were kinda dead so I figured we'd talk about it here. I normally made those but idk if it's enough for it's own. They're running at Marrakesh this weekend, 10am Eastern That makes sense, changed the wording. I’ll add the schedule to the OP, if you want a Formula E sub-section too feel free. Think I might add links in the schedules to YouTube videos for any of the races that have happened already (like WEC, Formula E and AsLMS). Might be worth it through the year too.
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Dakar 2019 is going on right now. Its set in Peru. Rally fans should find some familiar faces in Sebastian Loeb, Carlos Sainz Sr and Nasser Al-Attiyah. Their youtube channel puts out recaps for each day and category. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BohZiogQBJk I might do a WRC overview when the season starts in two weeks time.
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I think there were 3 NHRA posts last year (and only 1 was me) so I'm not even gonna bother a drag racing post 
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Peanut President posted:I think there were 3 NHRA posts last year (and only 1 was me) so I'm not even gonna bother a drag racing post that pass was so fast I think it has T/F written on the screen
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tf is the f1 of drag racing, give me pro stock as the only class or give me death
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Pro stock is a parody of itself now and should just be axed. I don't even think they run the full schedule anymore. Glory to funny cars and pro mods.
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CactusWeasle posted:That FE race This is always a sure sign that I need to watch the replay when I get home.
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Fauxhawk Express posted:Pro stock is a parody of itself now and should just be axed. I don't even think they run the full schedule anymore. Glory to funny cars and pro mods. You're thinking of Pro Stock Bike which hasn't run the whole schedule in years.
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oh poo poo looking up the 2019 schedule they have started pruning prostock loving as hell
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I don't think the bikes have ever run the full schedule, but yeah I recall reading a few days ago that PS wasn't running every event. Pro Stock used to be so loving cool, what with everyone trying to sneak nitrous in their cars and Ford/GM fans fighting in the stands.  Also listening to Rinehart and Tony Pedregon makes the Cheever/Goodyear duo sound enthralling. hunnert car pileup fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jan 12, 2019 |
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Thread title should've been "Dicks Out for Daytona" imo
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an oddly awful oud posted:Thread title should've been "Dicks Out for Daytona" imo Don't we have a SAS mod in here who can take care of this for us
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Pro Stock is at its best when drivers flip their cars multiple times and then scramble out of the car to place something over the intake and heads so no one can get a look at them
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orange juche posted:Don't we have a SAS mod in here who can take care of this for us She's at work, give her time
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CactusWeasle posted:That FE race Watched it on DVR, the Fox coverage was rear end as usual but dang that was a great race.
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MazeOfTzeentch posted:https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/core-unveils-historic-nissan-dpi-livery/ I generally like throwback colours but the design doesn’t work here.
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Frond posted:I generally like throwback colours but the design doesn’t work here. I think it works.
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MazeOfTzeentch posted:https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/core-unveils-historic-nissan-dpi-livery/ Nice
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MazeOfTzeentch posted:https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/core-unveils-historic-nissan-dpi-livery/ Niiiiiice
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Well here it comes, we all knew it was gonna happen, BoP changes after the roar: https://racer.com/2019/01/16/imsa-releases-rolex-bop-changes/ Wait... no changes?? That track record is falling yall.
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Cygni posted:Well here it comes, we all knew it was gonna happen, BoP changes after the roar: Bring it on.
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Cygni posted:Well here it comes, we all knew it was gonna happen, BoP changes after the roar: Hell loving yeah
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Cygni posted:Well here it comes, we all knew it was gonna happen, BoP changes after the roar: Get the gently caress in 
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Mazda will either win or go kaboom, and I’m here for it.
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Only thing that Mazda got was some minor aero changes, gently caress yeah.
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harperdc posted:Mazda will either win or go kaboom, and I’m here for it.   
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They said AJ Allmendinger was going to be on the broadcast team for the Rolex 24, but IMSA.com has him on the entry list so  ?https://www.imsa.com/news/012019/57...RaxWRqcDDRaV1LI e- If anybody cares, it sounds like Dave Burns is going to be one of the pit reporters for IMSA during the non-NBC portion of the NASCAR schedule. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jan 17, 2019 |
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N: The NBC Rolex 24 announcer roster will alternate every three hours for the duration of the race and is basically all hands on deck from NBC's motorsports properties: A-Team: Booth- Leigh Diffey, Calvin Fish, AJ Allmendinger Pits- Marty Snider, Dave Burns, Kelli Stavast Peacock Pit Box- Krista Voda, Steve Letarte, Dale Earnhardt, Jr., Townsend Bell Roving Reporter- Rutledge Wood B-Team: Booth- Rick Allen, Paul Tracy, Townsend Bell, Brian Till Pits- Jon Beekhuis, Kevin Lee, Parker Kligerman Peacock Pit Box- Krista Voda Roving Reporter- Rutledge Wood The announcer pairings change from time to time; Till goes to the A team from 9-Midnight, for example. Townsend Bell and AJ Allmendinger are both running the race in addition to doing TV. Given that they're not on the overnight shifts, I'm guessing that's when they'll be in the cars. There are also a pile of drivers who have run the race (Fish, Dinger, Junyer, Bell, PT) or covered it (Till) on the crew. V: Oh good, Rick Allen is going to have four different classes to get all sorts of confused. Also, Rutledge. e- I guess the link would help for full details: https://www.imsa.com/news/012019/nbc-sports-surrounds-57th-running-rolex-24-daytona-17-its-imsa-nascar-and-indycar CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jan 17, 2019 |
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