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FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Boiled Water posted:

no you don't, you can and should tell them to gently caress off

not unlike me, when a recruiter for a small tech company asked if I could re-do their personality test to give a better result. Please. If you're gonna disregard your own cargo cult why even go through the steps?

I've always had to fill out a resume at least and do a phone/webcam interview first. I agree the personality quiz is dumb as poo poo.

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Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Pie Colony posted:

since starting to work for BigTechCo in NYC i've been flown out to the bay area for 2 weeks, and holy poo poo how do people live there? not only is it unnecessarily expensive, but what are you even paying for? there is nothing to do there, except maybe visiting your company's campus. i really hate it so much

  • the weather's nice
  • you can take the train into san francisco
  • you're only a couple of hours away from really great hiking

it's like living in northern new jersey. nobody really likes new jersey enough to pay new jersey prices and new jersey tax rates.

but you can commute into a major job center (the city) and you're only a couple hours away from cool hiking/climbing/whatever

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
Saying there's nothing to do in the Valley is a new one to me. :psyduck:

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

ratbert90 posted:

Saying there's nothing to do in the Valley is a new one to me. :psyduck:

i was raised in seoul and san diego but am fuckin around in the valley

if you're looking at it in comparison to an actual city, there is bonafide fuckin nothing to do
if you're looking at it in comparison to the suburbs, it's just another big ol' sprawl of moderate amounts of things to do

mekkanare
Sep 12, 2008
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Failed another coding screen last night. Usually I post the questions to my github, but I couldn't be assed this time. I am really not good at translating pseudocode and descriptions on how to solve the problem on paper to working code.

gonadic io posted:

meanwhile here i am recording webcam answers to interview questions in some online timed bullshit thing

Gross. I did one only once and it was for an internship at Epic. Although I am very glad I never did get out there. I sincerely hope that it is worth the effort for you.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

toiletbrush posted:

As a candidate?

I've just finished a do-it-in-your-own-time technical test where I had to refactor, fix bugs and add tests to a blob of dodgy code. I've got a feeling that wether my solution is judged to be over engineered or not will depend entirely on some domain specific knowledge that I was very upfront about not having (it basically comes down to wether the inconsistency in the original code is the bug I was supposed to fix, or necessary flexibility)

Did you ask them which it was when working on it?

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

Penisface posted:

my current company burned me so bad so now i do not believe a single loving company pitch anymore


1. we won the "most promising startup" award in some ycombinator circle jerk
2. we have 2 years of runway if we stick to paying way below market rate salaries
3. we have a PO box in london, and basically a desk in some startup nerd hub
4. we built some piece of poo poo keras/tensoflow thing we sold to some buzzword addicted boss, but it's not working too well so now we are pivoting to selling our crap to idiots who believe in self driving cars

the recruiter is being "discrete" because they probably know the moment you look this place up on glassdoor they're going to get ghosted faster than a robocaller, and the only way to get butts in interview seats is playing this bullshit hide and seek game

one more warning sign is that the CEO is looking for what seems to be a team lead. questions: who was the team that built their current product? what happened to the team lead? where are all the senior engineers? it seems there's two ways this can play out - the CEO is actually the team lead/senior engineer who built the current thing and now wants someone to take over. fair enough, but seems like a position with a lot of interpersonal issues built right in, because for some reason they are expecting an outsider to take over instead of someone in the team who is already familiar with all the stuff in the company. the second scenario is that the previous team lead bailed and again there is nobody on the team who can or will replace them. either way this position better come with good-great figgies because you probably will need to be a master diplomat in addition to your technical skills.

:tipshat:

ADINSX
Sep 9, 2003

Wanna run with my crew huh? Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?

bob dobbs is dead posted:

i was raised in seoul and san diego but am fuckin around in the valley

if you're looking at it in comparison to an actual city, there is bonafide fuckin nothing to do
if you're looking at it in comparison to the suburbs, it's just another big ol' sprawl of moderate amounts of things to do

Maybe I've just never lived in a mega city, but what exactly is it missing? I'm no SF fan but its got pro and college sports near by, obviously bars and nightclubs, an insane amount of restaurants per capita. Nature stuff outside the city. Boating if you're mega rich I guess (the entire city is for the megarich, whatever)

toiletbrush
May 17, 2010

feedmegin posted:

Did you ask them which it was when working on it?
No, it was via email from a recruiter and I said I'd do it over the weekend to avoid having to make excuses for the fact there's no way I could commit to doing it during the week, so I didn't see the issue till today. I'm an idiot for not checking everything the moment I got the email from the recruiter on Friday.

Asking also felt a bit like cheating.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
i've got two interviews coming up at the same institute for different roles on the same research project - one is more support/technician and one actual researcher but both look pretty good to me coming from two years of casual work outside the field. i live in a super remote area and jobs in my field are rare enough here that i'd take almost whatever is going even if it weren't a cool project with good pay like this one. a little nervous about how rusty i am though, and this job is moving a little from my background in computer vision with ai to remote sensing with ml - i get the feeling nobody on their team is that big in ml at the moment and so they're looking for someone to take the lead on it in the researcher role

i don't have any specific questions but i wanted to post about my hopefully triumphant return to interviewing for tech jobs, thanks

big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jan 13, 2019

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
oh i guess the other thing i'm unsure about is that the project lead will be on both interviews with the others present being a union rep (i guess that's normal in norway? dunno) and different people on the specific teams i'd be working with. i've never interviewed for multiple positions with the same company before and i feel like it's going to be weird trying to sell myself for two different jobs to the same guy

big shtick energy
May 27, 2004


do BigTech companies usually walk you out if you give notice and you’re going to another BigTech company? I don’t see why they would but I feel like I’ve heard of it happening

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


DuckConference posted:

do BigTech companies usually walk you out if you give notice and you’re going to another BigTech company? I don’t see why they would but I feel like I’ve heard of it happening

yeah I got a security escort when I left Oracle

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

Rex-Goliath posted:

yeah I got a security escort when I left Oracle

i was walked out of Level 3 within an hour of sending the email with my 2 weeks notice

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

ADINSX posted:

Maybe I've just never lived in a mega city, but what exactly is it missing? I'm no SF fan but its got pro and college sports near by, obviously bars and nightclubs, an insane amount of restaurants per capita. Nature stuff outside the city. Boating if you're mega rich I guess (the entire city is for the megarich, whatever)

it's all in crumbling buildings that smell like poo poo and you can only make it one place in an evening because of traffic because the bay area is overcrowded and under managed

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





jit bull transpile posted:

it's all in crumbling buildings that smell like poo poo and you can only make it one place in an evening because of traffic because the bay area is overcrowded and under managed

and once you get there it's filled with a bunch of assholes that you avoid all day at work

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


lowest high and highest low loser of: WEED WEE
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The hiring process lasts forever and once I'm past the techscreen I rapidly loose interest in the job I'm probably leaving.

cheque_some
Dec 6, 2006
The Wizard of Menlo Park

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the latter.

if they pay for a hotel at all, it will be for one night. (I've had companies try to book me for double red-eyes to avoid paying for a hotel!)


double red-eyes, that's messed up

i've found you can get surprisingly good hotel rates if you stay at a business-oriented hotel in the fiDi on the weekends, though

or just repeat this 5x and use the resulting points and miles to book your own trip not built around an interview


yes, that sounds like a good use of time

ADINSX
Sep 9, 2003

Wanna run with my crew huh? Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?

jit bull transpile posted:

it's all in crumbling buildings that smell like poo poo and you can only make it one place in an evening because of traffic because the bay area is overcrowded and under managed

all fair points

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE

Sniep posted:

i was walked out of Level 3 within an hour of sending the email with my 2 weeks notice

this part of American corporate culture has always been particularly alien to me. I just can't understand the kind of workplace that puts that little trust in its employees. here, you give your three month notice and not only do you keep working for those three months, at the end there's usually a farewell party with cake and your boss gives a speech where they say something nice about your time there and how much they'll miss you and best wishes in your further career etc. sometimes it's even sincere and not just canned phrases.

even when I worked bottom tier phone support in a call center they gave me that level of courtesy when I quit. only one month notice in that place though.

TheFluff fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Jan 14, 2019

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

Clapping Larry
I’ve been walked in Australia too, it happens.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

TheFluff posted:

this part of American corporate culture has always been particularly alien to me. I just can't understand the kind of workplace that puts that little trust in its employees. here, you give your three month notice and not only do you keep working for those three months, at the end there's usually a farewell party with cake and your boss gives a speech where they say something nice about your time there and how much they'll miss you and best wishes in your further career etc. sometimes it's even sincere and not just canned phrases.

even when I worked bottom tier phone support in a call center they gave me that level of courtesy when I quit. only one month notice in that place though.

last manager at epic canceled the customary presentation and awards ceremony for my 5th year after I gave notice because he thought it sent the wrong message for other staff. at my send off beer bash the boss before him said he was a loving coward for doing that.

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

jit bull transpile posted:

last manager at epic canceled the customary presentation and awards ceremony for my 5th year after I gave notice because he thought it sent the wrong message for other staff. at my send off beer bash the boss before him said he was a loving coward for doing that.

sounds like they ended up giving the right message after all

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

jit bull transpile posted:

last manager at epic canceled the customary presentation and awards ceremony for my 5th year after I gave notice because he thought it sent the wrong message for other staff. at my send off beer bash the boss before him said he was a loving coward for doing that.

you gave notice annually?

Dirk Pitt
Sep 14, 2007

haha yes, this feels good

Toilet Rascal

TheFluff posted:

this part of American corporate culture has always been particularly alien to me. I just can't understand the kind of workplace that puts that little trust in its employees. here, you give your three month notice and not only do you keep working for those three months, at the end there's usually a farewell party with cake and your boss gives a speech where they say something nice about your time there and how much they'll miss you and best wishes in your further career etc. sometimes it's even sincere and not just canned phrases.

even when I worked bottom tier phone support in a call center they gave me that level of courtesy when I quit. only one month notice in that place though.

This has been a pleasant change of pace since moving to Stockholm. At the startup I was at in OKC the CEO told me to go gently caress myself when I resigned and told me to leave.

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

oklahoma city? how big was his novelty cowboy hat?

Dirk Pitt
Sep 14, 2007

haha yes, this feels good

Toilet Rascal

Progressive JPEG posted:

oklahoma city? how big was his novelty cowboy hat?

he had a ten gallon hat and a belt buckle. he was a nice guy up until the moment you ‘left the fold’

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

Clapping Larry
i thought the okcupid CEO told you to go gently caress yourself which would have had a nice ring to it

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Trimson Grondag 3 posted:

i thought the okcupid CEO told you to go gently caress yourself which would have had a nice ring to it

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


Trimson Grondag 3 posted:

i thought the okcupid CEO told you to go gently caress yourself which would have had a nice ring to it

:same:

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

Trimson Grondag 3 posted:

I’ve been walked in Australia too, it happens.

i wanted to get walked out current job when i quit but they begged me to stay on contract

prior to that my last layoff came with bronze handcuffs i.e. they gave me an option to stay for 1 year for a retention bonus, which i took (pro-tip: don't do this; it broke my mind)

just for once i want to quit/get fired and get out immediately but growing up poor has left me with crippling levels of risk aversion

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
i always liked the "walkout" thing

that's two weeks of paid time off

(if it's not two weeks of paid time off, your former employer is an rear end in a top hat)

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i always liked the "walkout" thing

that's two weeks of paid time off

(if it's not two weeks of paid time off, your former employer is an rear end in a top hat)

which is also why you usually don't see it in countries with good employee protections. Walking out employees might seem tempting when you have to pay them pennies or nothing but less so when its three months salary

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
applied for a rust position, during the interview it transpired that the position was a go/lua one with the potential to maybe one day involve writing a small utility in rust

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

didn't get it after what i thought was pretty good on-site. recruiter said they were looking someone more senior.

on to the next.

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
i bounced my resume off a few friends and one of them suggested i add a bio to it to make it more personable. he's a cto so i'm not gonna outright discount this advice (and he gave me other advice that was absolutely spot-on) but is that seriously a thing? i used to have a "summary" in mine but got rid of it when i read some articles that say they're passe now

for context my resume layout is a two-pager is:

Name/Contact
Skills
Professional Experience
Education

idk maybe i'm overthinking it

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Cold on a Cob posted:

i bounced my resume off a few friends and one of them suggested i add a bio to it to make it more personable. he's a cto so i'm not gonna outright discount this advice (and he gave me other advice that was absolutely spot-on) but is that seriously a thing? i used to have a "summary" in mine but got rid of it when i read some articles that say they're passe now

for context my resume layout is a two-pager is:

Name/Contact
Skills
Professional Experience
Education

idk maybe i'm overthinking it

make it one page

i guess unless you have a nobel prize or something similar

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Boiled Water posted:

which is also why you usually don't see it in countries with good employee protections. Walking out employees might seem tempting when you have to pay them pennies or nothing but less so when its three months salary

it's almost always two weeks paid, because even in the united states, firing employees without cause is a very bad idea

(if you gave three months notice, you would probably get three months paid. but two weeks is traditional.)

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Boiled Water posted:

you gave notice annually?

I phrased that weird. at epic after anyone's fifth anniversary with the company they give you an award and gift which is presented at a ceremony with your team. my coward boss canceled the ceremony and chucked the award at me on my way out the door basically. I gave a months notice.

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Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
don't most US companies just keep a dirt list so they can always fire you with cause?

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