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Snow Cone Capone posted:I don't think he had anything to do with that episode beyond the voices I think he stopped writing for Family Guy back in 2005 when American Dad started.
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Yeah, he bears no responsibility for the messages espoused by a show he executive produces, acts in and created.
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nuclearBarbarian posted:Yeah, he bears no responsibility for the messages espoused by a show he executive produces, acts in and created. Just proclaim Seth McFarlane a transphobe already
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Section 31 didn't even have anything to do with the successful morally gray spycraft on the Federation's behalf (thanks Garak) and Sloan ends up owned by Bashir using his own ridiculous sense of drama against him and then going all Inception before Inception. Maybe just as well I don't think they had Garak in any Section 31 episodes. He might even be able to understand the Federation characters being angry and disturbed at their existence, since at least the Obsidian Order is honest about it. (kinda)
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Maybe just as well I don't think they had Garak in any Section 31 episodes. He might even be able to understand the Federation characters being angry and disturbed at their existence, since at least the Obsidian Order is honest about it. (kinda) he's in the intro of... however you spell it, Romulan Death Leges.
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Pick posted:he's in the intro of... however you spell it, Romulan Death Leges. Enter Armin Eminem Soylent Lesions
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it's too bad at some point bashir started being a bitch because garak had tons of stuff to teach him that would have meant not failing like a doofus
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I'm a few eps into DS9 S7, does The Sisko ever rub it in Bashir's face that oh hey buddy guess what I was genetically engineered too... BY GODS. Is that common ground why he's got such a talent for building healthy working relationships with JemHadar?
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Pick posted:I am aggressively positive about most things star trek but section 31 is legit bad all the way to its loving bones, it is a bad plot point and it is bad that they didn't forget about it like other stupid bull poo poo that star trek did that it prefers to pretend that it did not (turnabout intruder) But what of Lazarus?
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Pick posted:weyoun eyes
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i just bought a nice lil weed vape and im sure im preaching to the choir but it turns out star trek and a nice energetic sativa are a good combo
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numberoneposter posted:
That's not a toy. That is a deadly weapon. It slays so much pussy, it should be banned by the Khitomer Accords.
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Kitchner posted:Anyone producing a show where Section 31 are the good guys doesn't get what Section 31 is supposed to be about. Ha ha the cultural zeitgeist is slowly but undeniably sliding toward fascism. LOL! When even our Star Trek glorifies the gestapo it becomes increasingly difficult to deny that OURS is the Mirror universe.
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Jan 15, 2019 10:15
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Federation Special Circumstances? More like Special Needs LMAO
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We're going to put this device on your head that let's you Psychonauts mind dive into Section 31 man's brain, also his brain will look like the sets we already have available and his memories will look like literal sheets of paper with his memories written down. This is all due to science, you see. Also he's going to be there and mug at you the entire time
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Danaru posted:We're going to put this device on your head that let's you Psychonauts mind dive into Section 31 man's brain, also his brain will look like the sets we already have available and his memories will look like literal sheets of paper with his memories written down. This is all due to science, you see. This is an OK plot though. I particularly like the bit where he's trying to trap Bashir in his mind with tidbits of information that he knows. What is bad is when they produce a whole story about S31 and its going to be a Jack Bauer style "the ends justify the means" lead by, and let's not forget this, the former empress of the Terran Empire from the evil mirror universe.
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I wasnt saying it was a bad plot, just that it was gloriously stupid, like all the best trek episodes  That was like the single good S13 episode because of that and also because the jackass diedWhich reminds me, the S13 episodes should be coming up soon in my rewatch 
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Pick posted:it's too bad at some point bashir started being a bitch because garak had tons of stuff to teach him that would have meant not failing like a doofus
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Garak was probably also mad that Bashir kept such a secret, and he failed to notice anything.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Garak was interested in Bashir in part because he could tell he's got a secret. The whole augment plot really was done pretty poorly when it had potential. It did make sense that Section 31 saw Bashir as a potential recruit because he's clearly good at keeping secrets. There's something to how the even 24th century near-utopian human society has its social problems and irrational taboos stemming from basically ancient cultural trauma. Or comparison of the genetically modified Augments to the Dominion's use of designer species. The Jack Pack episodes were probably an idea that was a lot better on paper than in practice. (was Rain Man popular around then? Hollywood depictions of the mentally disabled are really just something they should avoid for a while)
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Remember that absolute horseshit about Lorca needing to sit in a dark room because MU eyes are more sensitive to light.
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Duckula posted:Remember that absolute horseshit about Lorca needing to sit in a dark room because MU eyes are more sensitive to light. I thought his eyes had been damaged in an explosion.
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Epicurius posted:I thought his eyes had been damaged in an explosion. No, the bullshit thing is that the mirror universe has different light to ours and our light hurts their eyes. Any other reason was Lorca lying to people to explain why, as he was from the mirror universe) spoiler I guess). Honestly it was loving dumb. Why would it have different light? I get how you can have an alternative uninverse where everyone good is evil and vice versa but light is light.
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No because you see its LIGHT vs darkness That was a joke but oh god I can see that happening
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Plus, it never seems to be a problem for all of the other mirror universe people who cross into our universe. The Mirror Universe thing is dumb, but I almost forgive it just for the gag in the original Mirror, Mirror episode. Kirk, Bones, Scotty and Uhura have just figured out they're in the mirror universe and what caused it, and Bones has a revelation: MCCOY: Jim, if we're here, what do you suppose our counterparts doing back in our universe? KIRK: On our Enterprise.. Cut away from the horrified look on Kirk's face as he wonders what horrible stuff they're doing to Kirk and the rest of the mirror crew being thrown in the brig while Spock looks on.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The Jack Pack episodes were probably an idea that was a lot better on paper than in practice. (was Rain Man popular around then? Hollywood depictions of the mentally disabled are really just something they should avoid for a while) it can do a lot of good portraying aspects of mental illness like mania, hypersensitivity and poor impulse control, especially with strong statistical correlations between high iq scores and mental illness in the real world - the last few years there has been a bit of a 'cult of the genius' thing going on and people need to see that having a faster brain does not necessarily mean you have a better brain however it needs to be handled sensitively, and i feel like a lot of it was not really explored well. like when bashir is sitting around with the command staff and they are being aug racist and his reaction is basically accepting it because everyone is racist anyway it might also have been interesting if he had actually snapped at obrien when he was literally holding him back at darts its interesting because there was a tumblr i saw ages ago which was using captioned screenshots to allege that bashir is high functioning autistic (albeit by being very selective about autism traits). while in general i dont think he is, the first jack pack episode really shows you the frustration a lot of autistic people have at having to mask their behaviour to appear normal i guess i watched it thinking they could have gone further showing how frustrating it must be for bashir rather than cancelling
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So it's going to be its own show? I thought the Section 31 thing was just going to be a plot point of season 2.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:near the start of s6 theres a bit on the bridge of the defiant where bashir is calculating odds, and daddy garak is getting visibly mad because bashir is no longer his princess he was probably so perceptive he could sense a bad character thread in-universe
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The whole augment plot really was done pretty poorly when it had potential. i think this plotline always had very little potential and was destined to be handled badly section 31 at least had the potential of being extremely exploded and everyone goes on Trial for The Many War Crimes
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Episode 1 of the Picard show is gonna be him having to defend an exposed S31 agent in space court isn't it
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Episode 1 of the Picard show is gonna be him having to defend an exposed S31 agent in space court isn't it Said agent caused Romulus to supernova
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Said agent caused Romulus to supernova but was good because now the romulans have no choice but to join the federation because otherwise the federation wont give them food the section 31 man cackles, "we've already won!" everyone sees this as inevitable, and nod
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As long as the trial takes place on a dune buggy I’ll allow it.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Said agent caused Romulus to supernova My god.
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It's been a while since I saw Trek '09. Is it that the bad guy is from the TV universe, post-shows timewise, and after Romulus explodes he goes both back in time and to another universe? So Romulus exploding is canon now?
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Snow Cone Capone posted:It's been a while since I saw Trek '09. Is it that the bad guy is from the TV universe, post-shows timewise, and after Romulus explodes he goes both back in time and to another universe? So Romulus exploding is canon now? Yup. He came from the TV-verse and caused the movie universe to tangent off by destroying the USS Kelvin and Vulcan.
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God I love the end of the solar sail episode Dukat: Unfortunately, under Cardassian double secret law, I am now required to throw a parade in your honor.
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