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SardonicTyrant posted:I mean, if they want to be paid in "exposure", that's cool. No, that drags the already horrible interview standards down for the rest of us.
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I think that was sarcasm
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Jan 18, 2019 06:59
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The only people I see doing poo poo like that is green engineers with no self worth.
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Jan 18, 2019 07:03
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ratbert90 posted:The only people I see doing poo poo like that is green engineers with no self worth. when you dont have any experience, and everyone wants experience for entry-level jobs, you get desperate
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Jan 18, 2019 07:09
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Why would you give more than a 2h takehome when you have to read the submissions?
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Jan 18, 2019 13:45
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Kilometres Davis posted:Why would you give more than a 2h takehome when you have to read the submissions? I wouldn't do a take-home at all. I have projects I can show you and several contributions to many prominent OSS projects. Even green engineers I interview I will ask if they have any code samples/projects on git. I find it makes for much more meaningful conversation.
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Jan 18, 2019 13:51
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ratbert90 posted:I wouldn't do a take-home at all. I have projects I can show you and several contributions to many prominent OSS projects. I don’t code outside of work. I have a few other time consuming hobbies that I enjoy way more.
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Jan 18, 2019 14:20
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KidDynamite posted:I don’t code outside of work. I have a few other time consuming hobbies that I enjoy way more. Which is also why I listed ”code samples.”
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Jan 18, 2019 14:22
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what do you do if they don't have code samples? i'm not taking a debate stance here, legit curious. my github is barren, i haven't coded much outside of work in 15 years, i don't have the motivation
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Jan 18, 2019 14:50
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KidDynamite posted:I don’t code outside of work. I have a few other time consuming hobbies that I enjoy way more. I've only met a handful of hiring managers who understand this concept. "What? You don't like coding all time every day all the time? Surely this means you don't care about making our fart apps!"
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Jan 18, 2019 15:47
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Boiled Water posted:I've only met a handful of hiring managers who understand this concept. "What? You don't like coding all time every day all the time? Surely this means you don't care about making our fart apps!" just had this same discussion with a coworker where he was like "i would never hire a person that doesn't do at least research* in their own time" *: by research he meant bare minimum reading tech blogs and node release notes he's just had a kid so let's see what his opinion is in a few weeks
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my preference is to have jobs where i can do reading/experimentation during working hours but i sure as gently caress can't put that stuff on github i can talk at length about my projects, my role on them, and i have references to back me up, but i sometimes wonder if i get screened out for not including github poo poo on my resume vOv
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Cold on a Cob posted:my preference is to have jobs where i can do reading/experimentation during working hours but i sure as gently caress can't put that stuff on github ah yes this brings us neatly to that other type of hiring manager: "Oh you don't have anything on github but have been slaving away and has a resume as long as my arm? Nope can't show they can program. Next!" edit: this person also told me: "Make some projects and put them on github then call me back". The exact words to say if you never want me to call back.
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quote:Greetings, markov recruiting?
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every god drat time
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Jan 18, 2019 18:46
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I just had a really good phone interview for a sysadmin role at what passes for fintech in Milwaukee. Do... do they not realize I’m an unskilled incompetent in way way over my head? 
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Jan 18, 2019 18:49
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Schadenboner posted:
They are too which is why you'll be a perfect addition
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Jan 18, 2019 18:53
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Most of the cold calling, headhunting emails I get don't even bother with the name. And then I tell them "no, I'm not interested in that area" and get 9001 more from that person for every single area that's not the area I stated I was interested in.
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PokeJoe posted:They are too which is why you'll be a perfect addition 
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i wish i got headhunters or even basic loving interest from anyone whatsoever besides the USAF contractors presently employing me i'd be loving stoked to ever see an email like that even if the only correct action is to file it away and never respond
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Ciaphas posted:i wish i got headhunters or even basic loving interest from anyone whatsoever besides the USAF contractors presently employing me I carpet bombed all the major job boards and set the "I'm open to recruiters" flag. If you even look like you'll be even the tiniest bit qualified they'll throw poo poo at you. I think a lot of it is people trying to meet numbers (I ran into one of these the other day), but who knows.
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Jan 18, 2019 20:11
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KidDynamite posted:I don’t code outside of work. I have a few other time consuming hobbies that I enjoy way more. I'm a weirdo that likes doing side projects like this. I apologize for ruining it for everyone else 
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Jan 18, 2019 20:14
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the worst part of side projects is hitting that stupid sticking point about an hour in where something won't build right or interact with something else properly and you've been googling for twice as long as you've been actually making progress and looking down the barrel at even more time spent reading logs and trace and just give up right then
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Jan 18, 2019 20:16
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the worst part of side projects is that i have to file paperwork and get explicit written permission from my employer to release them this has been true at every employer i've ever had with >100 employees
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Jan 18, 2019 20:18
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All my side projects are on my own (relatively large) free time. I just want someone to see I'm capable of coding without having to do a test.
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no, that's what i mean i have never been able to negotiate my way out of my employer's clauses that purport to own everything i write, even in my own time every employer says "sure you can contribute to open source, just file tickets X, Y, and Z and wait for legal review" 
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Jan 18, 2019 20:22
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What the hell? That's dumb
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iospace posted:What the hell? That's dumb Same sentiment. I have clauses in my contract that state “anything pertaining to the business and their projects” but everything I do? I would refuse to sign that bs.
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Jan 18, 2019 20:26
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Official offer came through, total comp is 37.5% higher than my current role excluding options (which I also get), plus a 10k signing bonus. Can't hand in my notice soon enough.
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qhat posted:Official offer came through, total comp is 37.5% higher than my current role excluding options (which I also get), plus a 10k signing bonus. Can't hand in my notice soon enough. Congrats! Tell us how the resignation goes!
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qhat posted:Official offer came through, total comp is 37.5% higher than my current role excluding options (which I also get), plus a 10k signing bonus. Can't hand in my notice soon enough. Nice going!
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qhat posted:Official offer came through, total comp is 37.5% higher than my current role excluding options (which I also get), plus a 10k signing bonus. Can't hand in my notice soon enough. Get approval for the largest PTO block you can, then submit your resignation while on your last day of PTO.
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ratbert90 posted:Same sentiment. i'm not an idiot i have tried to negotiate these things. unsuccessfully. several times.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i'm not an idiot i got a new york offer (didnt take em up on it) like 3 times and they didnt budge any of those times they budged on all the jobs i've had in the valley (startupland, tho) funtimes
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Is your company really going to come after you for your “fartz as a service” project or a bug fix you drop for some OSS project? Who’s watching your GH repos and why would that even be in their interest if they are?
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Ploft-shell crab posted:Is your company really going to come after you for your “fartz as a service” project or a bug fix you drop for some OSS project? Who’s watching your GH repos and why would that even be in their interest if they are? some will cut your fuckin throat over it yes
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:no, that's what i mean Perhaps if you wore nicer shoes?
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Ploft-shell crab posted:Is your company really going to come after you for your “fartz as a service” project or a bug fix you drop for some OSS project? Who’s watching your GH repos and why would that even be in their interest if they are? Did it make > $0? Then yes.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:some will cut your fuckin throat over it yes yes, there are companies that will
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