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Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009

Timeless Appeal posted:

I find the question of how these men redeem themselves to be disingenuous. Because it implies folks are actually worried about how men like Louis CK are going to take care of their children and keep a roof over their heads.

The reality is that people are concerned for their own consumption not the actual creator.

I think it’s sort of interesting from a philosophical viewpoint.

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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


Timeless Appeal posted:

I find the question of how these men redeem themselves to be disingenuous. Because it implies folks are actually worried about how men like Louis CK are going to take care of their children and keep a roof over their heads.

The reality is that people are concerned for their own consumption not the actual creator.

These guys didn’t do a few years for pushing dope and now they got kids, bills, no skills, and a record. Garofolo can cry what about the kids all day while CK’s poor daughters go to Ivies with no debt and find themselves by spending a year in Europe on a never ending ecstasy high. No one is denying these guys a livelihood, their jobs are just hobbies. They don’t deserve a moment of pity

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
There was a whole ep of Bojack Horseman about how if anything leading men get endless second chances as soon as the heat dies down, even when it's obvious they have no desire to change. (The titular character is a more complex case)

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Comedians like CK to nothing but whine about how entitled other people are, but the moment you don't think everything they do is wonderful, they sure do feel entitled to your laughter and admiration.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
https://twitter.com/LouisCK/status/1085069146377850881

laboured

edit. oh apparently it isn't real. Which is good, cos most of the other tweets are ripped off from somewhere else.

NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Jan 15, 2019

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

LividLiquid posted:

Comedians like CK to nothing but whine about how entitled other people are, but the moment you don't think everything they do is wonderful, they sure do feel entitled to your laughter and admiration.

It's a pretty common theme with the people who complain the loudest about entitlement and privilege.

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Every day I feel more vindicated for having always hated Louie and his garbage sketches about a gay man permitting him to say the f word over poker

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It's a pretty common theme with the people who complain the loudest about entitlement and privilege.

That poo poo rubs off on other people, where a decent chunk of a potential audience going 'well, now I have no interest in this comedian's work' is equated with deliberately ruining their career.

As if the work of CK was so loving compelling that the only reason you'd avoid it is out of spite.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

R Kelly's Australian tour just got cancelled: https://www.theage.com.au/entertain...116-p50rmv.html

Or maybe it never existed in the first place? The details are weird and sketchy, the venues deny accepting the bookings and Kelly tweeted that the announced tour was "fake" but the local promoters swear the contracts were in place.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
Considering Australia used to be a giant prison its probably the only place he should tour.

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

Skwirl posted:

Considering Australia used to be a giant prison its probably the only place he should tour.

we don't want him either

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
I mean, if he did go to Australia there's a non-zero chance that one of the dozens of animals that regularly poison and murder people there would get him. Maybe a funnel web spider would bite him on the dick in his hotel bathroom.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

King Vidiot posted:

I mean, if he did go to Australia there's a non-zero chance that one of the dozens of animals that regularly poison and murder people there would get him. Maybe a funnel web spider would bite him on the dick in his hotel bathroom.

He shouldn't have masturbated at it, even if he asked it permission first.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

King Vidiot posted:

I mean, if he did go to Australia there's a non-zero chance that one of the dozens of animals that regularly poison and murder people there would get him. Maybe a funnel web spider would bite him on the dick in his hotel bathroom.

Deal with your own poo poo in your own country. Just send him up to Alaska and turn him into polar bear chow.

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

PT6A posted:

Deal with your own poo poo in your own country. Just send him up to Alaska and turn him into polar bear chow.

That would be an environmental crime. Poor bears.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010
Silly R Kelly, coming here as a black entertainer. He should have come as a neo-nazi speaker, then he probably would have got in.

R Kelly is horrible and Australia is also horrible. It's just, weirdly, they've managed to line up.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Snowman_McK posted:

Silly R Kelly, coming here as a black entertainer. He should have come as a neo-nazi speaker, then he probably would have got in.

R Kelly is horrible and Australia is also horrible. It's just, weirdly, they've managed to line up.

I'm not sure where this take came from or where it's going.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

chitoryu12 posted:

I'm not sure where this take came from or where it's going.

Just angry at out terrible government. They'll do the right thing about certain people seeking entry (they barred Chris Brown a few years back) but are pretty blithe about letting, say, Geert Wilders into the country.

Essentially, it's just that the Australian government is terrible, and even when it does the right thing, it's probably doing it for the wrong reasons.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Snowman_McK posted:

Just angry at out terrible government. They'll do the right thing about certain people seeking entry (they barred Chris Brown a few years back) but are pretty blithe about letting, say, Geert Wilders into the country.

This combined with the refugee prison camp islands makes me think the problem could involve racism, but that's just a guess.

3 A.M. Radio
Nov 5, 2003

Workin' too hard can give me
A heart attACK-ACK-ACK-ACK-ACK-ACK!
You oughtta' know by now...

Snowman_McK posted:

Just angry at out terrible government. They'll do the right thing about certain people seeking entry (they barred Chris Brown a few years back) but are pretty blithe about letting, say, Geert Wilders into the country.

Essentially, it's just that the Australian government is terrible, and even when it does the right thing, it's probably doing it for the wrong reasons.

So basically how in the U.S. the only time a cop ever faces consequences for murdering somebody is if the cop is black or a woman.

3 A.M. Radio fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Jan 17, 2019

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

3 A.M. Radio posted:

So basically how in the U.S. the only time a cop ever faces consequences for murdering somebody is if they're black or a woman.

This sentence is ambiguous and can be read in what I expect is the exact opposite way you intend it.

3 A.M. Radio
Nov 5, 2003

Workin' too hard can give me
A heart attACK-ACK-ACK-ACK-ACK-ACK!
You oughtta' know by now...

PT6A posted:

This sentence is ambiguous and can be read in what I expect is the exact opposite way you intend it.

Fixed. Thanks.

peer
Jan 17, 2004

this is not what I wanted

https://www.thedailybeast.com/louis-ck-doubles-down-with-jokes-on-on-911-retarded-kids-and-racial-tropes posted:

SAN JOSE, California—When Louis C.K. stepped onstage to a standing ovation and a full house at a San Jose comedy club Wednesday night, he got right to the point:

“I like to jerk off, and I don’t like being alone.”

Simple and without a trace of apology; it got a good laugh.

cool

Equeen
Oct 29, 2011

Pole dance~

rape culture delenda est

Coffee And Pie
Nov 4, 2010

"Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"
Jesus wept

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

gently caress ‘im. No coming back from that one imo, rehab tour or no.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

Now, now. We shouldn't take it out of context.

Bonaventure
Jun 23, 2005

by sebmojo
sometimes you've got to workshop a joke for 20 years in various green rooms before moving it onto the audience testing stage. when it's the centerpiece of his new Netflix special i guarantee it'll be what Mr. Jay Leno calls "yucktastic."

i've listened to podcasts about bill hicks AND lenny bruce so i know a lot about comedy, it's just how the "funny formula" goes.

Lumbermouth
Mar 6, 2008

GREG IS BIG NOW


Dead baby jokes AND 9/11 jokes? Be still my heart!

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


quote:

“The whole point of comedy is to say things that you shouldn’t say. That’s the entire point,” he said.

Comedy is also like porn, he said. Then he made a joke about a porn star’s rear end in a top hat, and concluded that the world needs porn because it somehow keeps men from molesting their colleagues at work.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

quote:

Then he made a joke about a porn star’s rear end in a top hat, and concluded that the world needs porn because it somehow keeps men from molesting their colleagues at work.

I feel like if it did this whole situation wouldn’t have happened.

Pedro De Heredia
May 30, 2006

Mameluke posted:

Every day I feel more vindicated for having always hated Louie and his garbage sketches about a gay man permitting him to say the f word over poker

Refreshing Variety To See If a Sexual Assault Validates My Opinion On 'The King's Speech'

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

“I was right about not liking that oval office” is only slightly below “Oh man now I can’t watch his shows anymore” for most self-centered response to a sexual assault case

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Not the optimal choice of cuss there

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Daily Beast interviewing Brad Bird posted:

Lasseter took a six-month leave of absence, admitting to “missteps,” and in June Disney announced that he would be leaving the company at the end of the year. On January 9, the day after Bird and I meet, Skydance Animation announced it had hired Lasseter as its new head, a redemption in the #MeToo era that many of the company’s employees questioned at a contentious town hall meeting.

Bird has a hard time talking about the allegations against Lasseter. “These times are not good for nuance,” he says. “You’re either 100 percent for something or you’re 100 against something.”

He tells me a story about Lasseter coming to bat for him when Michael Eisner and Steve Jobs didn’t want to give a movie to the guy “who just did this flop The Iron Giant,” referring to Bird’s 1999 box-office misfire. They were told their script idea for The Incredibles was too much like Spy Kids—“which is beyond me”—and didn’t have enough fantasy elements, “like little blue fish or blue monsters.” Basically, they wanted Lasseter to direct another movie instead.

John kind of flung his body between us and the executives and said I think these guys are onto something and let’s give them a little more time to develop it,” Bird says. “By the time we finished our story reels, that guy was gone and the reels spoke for themselves. He stuck his neck out in a way that few in Hollywood are willing to.”

“I don’t at all put John in a category with Weinstein,” he continues. “You’re navigating a world where men have acted a certain way for thousands of years. Way too late, but all of a sudden, they’re expected to change that on a dime and it’s necessary and it’s right. But it’s a little bit a gray area. It’s not as hard of a cut as people want to make it. I’m an old friend of John’s and I don’t see him in black and white. I see him as a person like anyone else. He was a person who was very protective of us at a time when we needed it. So my feelings are a little bit more complicated.”

I ask him, aside from the experience of making The Incredibles sequel 15 years after the original, what the experience of talking about it in a different era of media has been like, when he’s been asked about everything from the film’s gender politics to the Lasseter accusations to Tom Cruise’s ties to Scientology.

“I’m an old friend of John [Lasseter’s] and I don’t see him in black and white. I see him as a person like anyone else.”

“Some ways it’s less difficult,” he says. “Some ways it’s more difficult.”

“It’s often like a pendulum,” he continues. “If people had been historically insensitive, the pendulum goes to hypersensitive. I understand where it came from and it’s fine. I just want to go to the other world where people don’t care about this kind of stuff so much. I just mean that once everybody has a fair shot, then it becomes about the work. That’s the place I want to get to. I don’t want people to be singled out because of whatever their particular slant is, or kept from opportunities because of it. I want a place where everybody gets to do everything and it’s now about the work.”

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

"How could we ever expect a serial groper to just suddenly stop doing it when he gets told that it's bad?! You have to give him time to figure it out!"

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

To be fair, that'd actually be a moderately funny joke for a few seconds before you realize he's a serial sexual harasser who hosed with people's careers, so gently caress him.

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

The objectivist is a both sides shitbag?

Shocking.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Man, that is really disappointing to read.

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starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
It's the same for so many people "I knew him as a friend so I'm willing to let things slide"

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