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I could comfortably live for 15 years or more with just one year’s worth of the USA’s 1% threshold even without earning interest on the $421k.
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The world-wide income threshold for the top 1% is like $30k. The fact that individuals in 1st world countries are proliferating the idea of a class war between themselves (the statistically rich) and the "wealthy" (the statistically ultra-rich) across a digital medium build on the broken backs and calloused fingers of sweat-shop child labor in third world countries says all that needs to be said about this current popular iteration of "income equality." If people really believed in the message, they'd quit buying expensive phones and bikes and cars and laptops and netflix and $13 bowls of ramen, and be donating every last penny they had to one of the 6 billion impoverished people around the world. Whether its convenient to admit, we are the 1%. And I still can't tell the difference between, "its not fair that they have more than everyone else." and "I don't like that they have more than me." Really, until the planet can 1. reign in the military industrial complex and 2. establish a form of universal basic income (i.e. until human nature fundamentally evolves to catch up to the evolution of society) we're going to be tethered to the polar tides of income inequality.
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blarzgh posted:The world-wide income threshold for the top 1% is like $30k. The fact that individuals in 1st world countries are proliferating the idea of a class war between themselves (the statistically rich) and the "wealthy" (the statistically ultra-rich) across a digital medium build on the broken backs and calloused fingers of sweat-shop child labor in third world countries says all that needs to be said about this current popular iteration of "income equality." read settlers
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blarzgh posted:The world-wide income threshold for the top 1% is like $30k. The fact that individuals in 1st world countries are proliferating the idea of a class war between themselves (the statistically rich) and the "wealthy" (the statistically ultra-rich) across a digital medium build on the broken backs and calloused fingers of sweat-shop child labor in third world countries says all that needs to be said about this current popular iteration of "income equality." The boomers are now inside the thread.
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Uh, own a phone and computer? You must sell both and buy a hair shirt before making any complaints about distributions of resources or the fact that currently unequal ones are deepening and worsening. Some productive thinking courtesy of the smoothest brain ever seen
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blarzgh posted:The world-wide income threshold for the top 1% is like $30k. The fact that individuals in 1st world countries are proliferating the idea of a class war between themselves (the statistically rich) and the "wealthy" (the statistically ultra-rich) across a digital medium build on the broken backs and calloused fingers of sweat-shop child labor in third world countries says all that needs to be said about this current popular iteration of "income equality." Good username/post combo
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terrorist ambulance posted:Uh, own a phone and computer? You must sell both and buy a hair shirt before making any complaints about distributions of resources or the fact that currently unequal ones are deepening and worsening. Its sharecropping landlords with 100 acres complaining that sharecropping landlords with 1,000 acres have too much power, and then pretending they have the moral high ground because "they tweeted about it."
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blarzgh posted:Its sharecropping landlords with 100 acres complaining that sharecropping landlords with 1,000 acres have too much power, and then pretending they have the moral high ground because "they tweeted about it." terrorist ambulance posted:My favorite among the various tropes and stories that people get told to erode class solidarity, turn people against each other, and obscure the real adversary
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blarzgh posted:The world-wide income threshold for the top 1% is like $30k. The fact that individuals in 1st world countries are proliferating the idea of a class war between themselves (the statistically rich) and the "wealthy" (the statistically ultra-rich) across a digital medium build on the broken backs and calloused fingers of sweat-shop child labor in third world countries says all that needs to be said about this current popular iteration of "income equality." So one shouldn't even start to try to make their own country better until every one of the 200 or so other countries on earth completely solves those problems. Got it. Since we're doing science fiction recommendations, how about Chapter 5 of So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish? It's got a streetwalker whose service is showing rich people a good time - by telling them it's OK to be rich. She didn't have a name ... but blarzgh is a very Douglas Adams-y name.
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Earning $30k may put you in the global 1% but the point is you still have to work to survive, can’t miss a paycheck, and one slip-up can ruin you. Unless you’re asserting it’s somehow possible to move to a lower cost of living country and still make that $30k. Of course it’s relative, but inequality in rich countries is less defensible than inequality in poor countries bc we have the means to fix it. It’s kind of disingenuous to claim the inequality argument has no merit bc well ackshawally you don’t donate every spare cent you have so you’re a hypocrite.
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Children die without every seeing a computer so any thought transmitted by the internet is morally hollow. Why do anything about anything. Just let the boomers pull the ladder up after them and systemic upward transfers of wealth continue indefinitely
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terrorist ambulance posted:My favorite among the various tropes and stories that people get told to erode class solidarity, turn people against each other, and obscure the real adversary This, but unironically. joat mon posted:So one shouldn't even start to try to make their own country better until every one of the 200 or so other countries on earth completely solves those problems. Got it. No, not even close. Class warfare is fun because it makes people feel good to have an enemy. Warfare in general is just another way of one small class of people aggregating individual power by turning a large class of people against another group. We're all just using the tools available to us to better our immediate existence. Nobody is "the enemy," and you're being manipulated.
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blarzgh posted:The world-wide income threshold for the top 1% is like $30k. The fact that individuals in 1st world countries are proliferating the idea of a class war between themselves (the statistically rich) and the "wealthy" (the statistically ultra-rich) across a digital medium build on the broken backs and calloused fingers of sweat-shop child labor in third world countries says all that needs to be said about this current popular iteration of "income equality." this is barely one step above from the "hurr hurr you're a socialist? better donate yr entire paycheck then!!!" meme Jacob Wohl was targeting at AOC last year. congrats on being only slightly elss dumb than Jacob Wohl
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blarzgh posted:Its sharecropping landlords with 100 acres complaining that sharecropping landlords with 1,000 acres have too much power, and then pretending they have the moral high ground because "they tweeted about it." Even in that scenario, just because they are hypocrites does not mean they are wrong. In fact they seem to have a drat good point!
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joat mon posted:Since we're doing science fiction recommendations, how about Chapter 5 of So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish? It's got a streetwalker whose service is showing rich people a good time - by telling them it's OK to be rich. She didn't have a name ... but blarzgh is a very Douglas Adams-y name. You know why I like science fiction? Because I have zero faith that the current populace is equipped to create or manage the kind of future it hopes for.
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Soothing Vapors posted:this is barely one step above from the "hurr hurr you're a socialist? better donate yr entire paycheck then!!!" meme Jacob Wohl was targeting at AOC last year. congrats on being only slightly elss dumb than Jacob Wohl Congratulations on making partner, btw.
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Speaking bluntly, we can solve the inequality between the western 1% and the global .1% in the same stroke. We could attack wealth inequality in the US and Europe and provide things like guaranteed basic income and healthcare in the West, have extra money to dump into the 3rd world to fix solvable issues quickly (food, infrastructure), and the rich could STILL have a shitload of wealth to play with. Blarzgh, with respect, the sheer scale of imbalance is so bad that we could attack the 1% in the US and Europe and solve many of the problems of the world 99%. In other words, the US 99% and the world 99% are on the same side. A plumber in Cleveland didn't loot Africa. The same people who steal the plumber's paycheck are the same people trashing the 3rd world.
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blarzgh posted:Congratulations on making partner, btw. another wrong post. youre on fire baby
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Vox Nihili posted:Even in that scenario, just because they are hypocrites does not mean they are wrong. In fact they seem to have a drat good point! Wrong. The institution is the problem, not the degree, in that scenario.
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Mother nature is going to take care of the bulk of us over the next few hundred years anyways.
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Soothing Vapors posted:Just survived summary judgment in a case where my client's position is dogshit, primarily by confusing the judge so thoroughly that he just wanted me to go away and someone else to have to listen to my dumbass arguments Soothing Vapors posted:Also the argument that got me past summary wasnt even in my response brief, it was some dumb poo poo I thought of in the hallway 5 minutes before the hearing Soothing Vapors posted:Also opposing counsel's face was beet red after the hearing and I'm pretty sure his client was crying Soothing Vapors fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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blarzgh posted:Wrong. The institution is the problem, not the degree, in that scenario. The institution and the degree are both problems. The solution is land redistribution. The hypothetical 100 acre landowners don't likely stand to gain personally from that solution, but they're backing it anyway. Why are they backing it?
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Soothing Vapors posted:update bc i know all of u were on the edge of yr seats: because we survived summary judgment based solely on my insane, convoluted hail mary argument that neither the judge or i fully understood, plaintiff decided to finally play ball and we started settlement talks. plaintiff started at ~175k, ended up ~30k. lol. I maintain that the delta of 145k should be paid directly to me as a bonus. at least give me a percentage of that poo poo Goongrats. The system continues to work!
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Pook Good Mook posted:Blarzgh, with respect, the sheer scale of imbalance is so bad that we could attack the 1% in the US and Europe and solve many of the problems of the world 99%. In other words, the US 99% and the world 99% are on the same side. To be fair to Blarzgh, a good portion of the US 99% don't see it that way. Pook Good Mook posted:A plumber in Cleveland didn't loot Africa. The same people who steal the plumber's paycheck are the same people trashing the 3rd world. This however is absolutely true. I dealt directly with a pro se capital C Capitalist today in a settlement. You know the kind, big business developing properties to rent out. Utter piece of poo poo human being with the biggest entitlement complex I've ever seen. Slumlord who was outraged that someone might suggest his lawsuit was frivolous after him admitting to the judge in the prep meeting he didn't give a poo poo about the money, he just wanted to teach a low income tenant a lesson. I say the gently caress the guillotine, boil them alive.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Speaking bluntly, we can solve the inequality between the western 1% and the global .1% in the same stroke. We could attack wealth inequality in the US and Europe and provide things like guaranteed basic income and healthcare in the West, have extra money to dump into the 3rd world to fix solvable issues quickly (food, infrastructure), and the rich could STILL have a shitload of wealth to play with. What probably isn't obvious is that if I was appointed Emperor Palpablarzgh for the day, thats pretty much exactly what I would do - I'd take everyone's money and spread it out evenly and see what happens, and I would lightning-fingers anyone who tried to stop me. Actually, I might just eradicate money entirely and send everyone back to farming. I haven't decided yet. But to do that would be to undermine some really fundamental pillars of human society, like property rights, social and political sovereignty, etc. But I don't think that changes the under-underlying problem: that humans are programmed to aggregate resources, and the human organ that determines how many resources we need only works on a comparative basis, and only runs one direction: more. Can we ever be really happy if we don't have enough? And how much is enough before we are happy? And what is happiness, anyways? Should I be happy because I can afford most things that I used to want? Was I happier when I couldn't afford them? Were people happy before health insurance and doctors and the internet existed? People like SV are programmed to think that just because I don't subscribe to the exact same idea of a better future that they do then I must be [boomer; republican; whatever] but really I've thought about it and I think differently. I think happiness and satisfaction and self-actualization are the root of the human experience and I don't think that the avoidance of hardship is antithetical to that - I think its a necessary part of the experience. And I also don't think that just making income less unequal is a bad thing, I just think it doesn't change anything, really.
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Soothing Vapors posted:update bc i know all of u were on the edge of yr seats: because we survived summary judgment based solely on my insane, convoluted hail mary argument that neither the judge or i fully understood, plaintiff decided to finally play ball and we started settlement talks. plaintiff started at ~175k, ended up ~30k. lol. I maintain that the delta of 145k should be paid directly to me as a bonus. at least give me a percentage of that poo poo Current lover's quarrel aside, thats awesome - those "I scared the judge into denying the motion with shadow puppets" wins are the best.
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Vox Nihili posted:Goongrats. The system continues to work! it may not be a good system, or a moral system, or a righteous system, but by god it is an exploitable system blarzgh posted:Current lover's quarrel aside, thats awesome - those "I scared the judge into denying the motion with shadow puppets" wins are the best. you know i dont mean anything by it bb <3 and yeah thats the one thing I love about state court. article III judges don't go for that poo poo
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blarzgh posted:You know why I like science fiction? Because I have zero faith that the current populace is equipped to create or manage the kind of future it hopes for. blarzgh posted:The world-wide income threshold for the top 1% is like $30k. The fact that individuals in 1st world countries are proliferating the idea of a class war between themselves (the statistically rich) and the "wealthy" (the statistically ultra-rich) across a digital medium build on the broken backs and calloused fingers of sweat-shop child labor in third world countries says all that needs to be said about this current popular iteration of "income equality." Nihilism is an incredibly depressing way to push back against concern/fear/alarm/responsibility about the future. I guess by doing nothing the nihilist can make their fears self-fulfilling and at least be 'right'?
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joat mon posted:Nihilism is an incredibly depressing way to push back against concern/fear/alarm/responsibility about the future. I guess by doing nothing the nihilist can make their fears self-fulfilling and at least be 'right'? There is no greater aspiration than to be more right than other people
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Hoshi posted:There is no greater aspiration than to be more right than other people And if you disagree, that's wrong too, because then you're engaging in viewpoint warfare.
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joat mon posted:Nihilism is an incredibly depressing way to push back against concern/fear/alarm/responsibility about the future. I guess by doing nothing the nihilist can make their fears self-fulfilling and at least be 'right'? Say what you want about the tenets of democratic socialism, dude, but at least it's an ethos
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Ahemblarzgh posted:The world-wide income threshold for the top 1% is like $30k. The fact that individuals in 1st world countries are proliferating the idea of a class war between themselves (the statistically rich) and the "wealthy" (the statistically ultra-rich) across a digital medium build on the broken backs and calloused fingers of sweat-shop child labor in third world countries says all that needs to be said about this current popular iteration of "income equality." It would appear that I'm not 1%, based on this
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joat mon posted:Nihilism is an incredibly depressing way to push back against concern/fear/alarm/responsibility about the future. I guess by doing nothing the nihilist can make their fears self-fulfilling and at least be 'right'? I really don't think its nihilism, and its not depressing to me? I like the idea that humanity is beautiful and flawed and capable of the known spectrum of incredible feats of good and evil. In my opinion, human nature is currently incompatible with much of the communist rhetoric that gets tossed around, which is where I think the hypocrisy comes from. My opinion is that the first step towards a better future is to ingrain kindness and understanding in all people, until compassion becomes the core drive of human nature. That fixes everything, in the end. I don't think things are hopeless, I just think the best answers are harder and will take longer than we'd like.
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*divider* So our county just got a new district Court, and today we got the orders transferring cases from all the other districts to the new one, so I'm having to go through and look and see if/which of my cases got moved, and Holy gently caress, they all unloaded all the oldest, most obnoxious cases on the new judge; they're all 2014, 2015, 2016 cases LOL. There's like twenty total 2018 cases out of the hundreds that got transferred. get owned new judge *end divider*
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Alexeythegreat posted:Ahem За здоровье!
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blarzgh posted:*divider* loving dusted.
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