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champagne posting: Apr 5, 2006; YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Soricidus posted:

webdev in a nutshell

�now to debug this thing�

whoops can�t be done because everything in WebDAV is awful

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# ? Apr 24, 2024 10:40

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Boiled Water posted:

�now to debug this thing�

whoops can�t be done because everything in WebDAV is awful

yeah and hugo is Go, so everything about it is "idiomatic" and esoteric. As long as all you're doing is a basic static site, you should be fine, though.

# ? Jan 23, 2019 00:04

TheFluff: Dec 13, 2006; FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE

Soricidus posted:

webdev in a nutshell

ask me about spending all day trying to make webpack run in less than a minute and a half (on every single ci test suite run)

# ? Jan 23, 2019 00:06

TheFluff: Dec 13, 2006; FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE

downsides of current job: webpack and the usual frontend webdev circus, the usual legacy garbage code lurking in the corners
upsides of current job: going out to lunch with coworkers and having an unexpectedly candid conversation about stress, burnout, and ending up not giving a gently caress at previous jobs, and everyone then unanimously agreeing that this is the least stressful and best managed programmer team any of us has ever been on

the application is sorta boring but it does useful things, the business model is sound and the users are happy with it. the old code is sorta bad, but we're slowly fixing it, one small step at a time. the new code is okay, for the most part. sometimes poo poo breaks, but it's gonna be okay. it's fine. we'll fix it together. most problems seem like minor gripes on a team like this and i'm really happy i ended up here :unsmith:

TheFluff fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jan 23, 2019

# ? Jan 23, 2019 00:17

TheFluff: Dec 13, 2006; FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE

the feeling of not ever being worried about work is p great and definitely should be tried

# ? Jan 23, 2019 00:19

Ellie Crabcakes: Feb 1, 2008; Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

this was the biggest failure of my programming career. i tried hard to fix it. u can�t.

Eh, you didn't make the turd. You just tried to polish it. Big difference there.

# ? Jan 23, 2019 00:30

aardvaard: Mar 4, 2013; you belong in the bog of eternal stench

it's almost always faster to learn the correct tool than to do it the way you know how to do it and i always forget that

# ? Jan 23, 2019 00:47

Powerful Two-Hander: Mar 10, 2004; Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.

our new offshore developer has spent ~a week doing something in a page that should probably have taken maybe a day which I could kind of forgive as he needs to learn the app stack but otoh it's juts basic mvc and he hasn't checked anything so idk what he's actually done.

this is gonna be fun I can feel it.

# ? Jan 23, 2019 01:16

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

every time someone posts about webdev I feel good about my life choices

# ? Jan 23, 2019 11:11

AggressivelyStupid: Jan 9, 2012

My first job was webdev and it was enough for me to say never again

# ? Jan 23, 2019 14:11

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

AggressivelyStupid posted:

My first job was webdev and it was enough for me to say never again

Same, only reading your posts.

# ? Jan 23, 2019 14:14

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

hugo is really badly documented imo

there is a lot of documentation but it's extremely hard to follow to a static site generator lol

# ? Jan 23, 2019 20:45

Flat Daddy: Dec 3, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

thesis: react
antithesis: hugo
synthesis: https://github.com/gatsbyjs/gatsby

# ? Jan 23, 2019 22:00

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

I forgot about gatsby.

quote:

Get all the benefits of static websites with none of the limitations.

If I divide all the benefits by zero limitations, I get infinite benefits per limitation, right?? :v:

*throws web server off a bridge*

# ? Jan 23, 2019 22:26

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Finster Dexter posted:

I forgot about gatsby.

If I divide all the benefits by zero limitations, I get infinite benefits per limitation, right??

*throws web server off a bridge*

yeah sounds like this is the true promise of serverless

# ? Jan 23, 2019 22:32

aardvaard: Mar 4, 2013; you belong in the bog of eternal stench

i've written several static site generators because i was too lazy to learn how to do the thing i wanted to do properly and that's probably the reason that staticgen.com lists almost 250 god drat static site generators

# ? Jan 24, 2019 01:03

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
There once was a poster named Troof
Who was getting quite long in the toof

aardvaard posted:

i've written several static site generators because i was too lazy to learn how to do the thing i wanted to do properly and that's probably the reason that staticgen.com lists almost 250 god drat static site generators

never seen that site before. i'm...nonplussed

if i ever encounter someone who uses the term "jamstack" irl i might wake up in a jail cell with tooth chips in my knuckles

# ? Jan 24, 2019 01:11

Corla Plankun: May 8, 2007; improve the lives of everyone

i could see that being a useful word in the game jam community like maybe a suite of tools that make it easy to jam the games, but i refuse to google what it actually means because im sure its just a bunch of webdev js bs

# ? Jan 24, 2019 01:32

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
There once was a poster named Troof
Who was getting quite long in the toof

Corla Plankun posted:

i could see that being a useful word in the game jam community like maybe a suite of tools that make it easy to jam the games, but i refuse to google what it actually means because im sure its just a bunch of webdev js bs

yeah, no need to google it

# ? Jan 24, 2019 01:52

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

im imagining a stack of jam sandwiches getting knocked over and its quite messy

# ? Jan 24, 2019 02:24

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
There once was a poster named Troof
Who was getting quite long in the toof

imagine some 12-year-old who's "good with computers" (i.e., has a twitter) decides to learn programming. he spends six weeks studying online courses. 3 weeks on html/css, 2 weeks on javascript, and 1 week learning how to use jekyll. the entirety of his experience is writing pokemon fan pages that have never been hosted anywhere besides his own laptop. i mean good for him, and i hope he's having fun learning and all, but thanks to some conference promoter with an undiagnosed concussion, this kid gets invited to make a tedx talk about the future of web development, and he only has one hour to prepare. the presentation he would make is "jamstack"

# ? Jan 24, 2019 02:32

aardvaard: Mar 4, 2013; you belong in the bog of eternal stench

Corla Plankun posted:

i could see that being a useful word in the game jam community like maybe a suite of tools that make it easy to jam the games, but i refuse to google what it actually means because im sure its just a bunch of webdev js bs

javascript, apis, and markup

what a normal person would call a "single page app" or "why is this page so god drat slow"

# ? Jan 24, 2019 02:38

floatman: Mar 17, 2009

PHP code:


protected function getNewClass($class)
{
    return new $class();
}

I don't think I'm strong enough to ask why this exists in the codebase.

# ? Jan 24, 2019 03:21

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

the only php i know is from people posting bad php and i have a lot of questions about the language

# ? Jan 24, 2019 03:25

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

jamstack sounds like a poorly-named smash bros technique

oh wait I�m on a concision kick, lemme rephrase

jamstack sounds like a smash bros technique

# ? Jan 24, 2019 03:49

Spime Wrangler: Feb 23, 2003; Because we can.

ctps: yesterday I reconfigured a javascript/php api that does message authentication to use a new ajax library so i could fully jettison jquery from this project

i set up the javascript hashing function and the php hashing function to hash the stringified json and was legitimately surprised that both systems produced the same value

this is the first time i've had to work with some other company's homerolled "framework" and i'm just happy they let me nuke and rebuild the frontend as i see fit

# ? Jan 24, 2019 03:57

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

the only php i know is from people posting bad php and i have a lot of questions about the language

i hope this helps
http://news.php.net/php.internals/70691

# ? Jan 24, 2019 03:59

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

my stepdads beer posted:

i hope this helps
http://news.php.net/php.internals/70691

amazing

you know if i had written my own scripting language i would probably clean up the interface a little before releasing it to the public but that's just me

e: i read a little bit more about its development and i think i'm being unfair. i can totally see developing this, releasing it for fun, and then seeing it grow unexpectedly.

although i'd still clean it up before releasing it because that's how i roll.

DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jan 24, 2019

# ? Jan 24, 2019 04:28

aardvaard: Mar 4, 2013; you belong in the bog of eternal stench

pokeyman posted:

jamstack sounds like a poorly-named smash bros technique

oh wait I�m on a concision kick, lemme rephrase

jamstack sounds like a smash bros technique

this is the least concise version of this post

# ? Jan 24, 2019 04:36

Blinkz0rz: May 27, 2001; MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS

DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

amazing

you know if i had written my own scripting language i would probably clean up the interface a little before releasing it to the public but that's just me

e: i read a little bit more about its development and i think i'm being unfair. i can totally see developing this, releasing it for fun, and then seeing it grow unexpectedly.

although i'd still clean it up before releasing it because that's how i roll.

that's how you roll in tyool 2019 but pretend it's 1994 and nothing you know about writing or releasing code exists in any appreciable way

# ? Jan 24, 2019 04:39

aardvaard: Mar 4, 2013; you belong in the bog of eternal stench

i'm less concerned about the choices made in 1994 and more about the 25 years since then where they've failed to undo them

# ? Jan 24, 2019 04:42

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Blinkz0rz posted:

that's how you roll in tyool 2019 but pretend it's 1994 and nothing you know about writing or releasing code exists in any appreciable way

i'd make sure my api was consistent tho

maybe if i really couldn't find a solution to my hashing problem.

# ? Jan 24, 2019 04:43

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

Had a all hands call today about the buyout, now I have to fly to SoCal next week on Tuesday, come back Wednesday, and fly out to Brussels on Thursday. I�m going to die.

# ? Jan 24, 2019 04:54

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

aardvaard posted:

this is the least concise version of this post

no u

# ? Jan 24, 2019 05:53

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

floatman posted:

PHP code:
protected function getNewClass($class)
{
    return new $class();
}
I don't think I'm strong enough to ask why this exists in the codebase.

cargo cult factory pattern?

# ? Jan 24, 2019 06:34

floatman: Mar 17, 2009

I tried to understand. Here's a quick summary:
1. "We must unit test!"
2. Something something no dependency injection.
3. Something something "we can't change the calling method signature to inject dependencies!"
4. "I am so clever did you know I can do reflection in PHP?"
5. Use mocking framework + reflection to write unit test that have that protected method replaced by a stub.

Now, the joke is that there actually isn't any issue with changing the method signature to inject dependencies.
The biggest joke is that getNewObject is only used in the function like this:

PHP code:


$customersTable = $this->getNewObject ('customersTable');
$customer = $customersTable->get($customerId);
$customerBalance = $customer->getBalance();

If ($customerBalance < 0) throw new Exception()

# ? Jan 24, 2019 07:19

floatman: Mar 17, 2009

You can just literally do that validation outside of the function OR just pass in a customer balance and not have to gently caress around with "dependencies" but REFLECTION GOOD!

# ? Jan 24, 2019 07:21

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

what a mess lol

the codebase im working on right now has the worst loving naming conventions or lack of same. its all codeline(), decoded, devDecoded (???), vs, kn

# ? Jan 24, 2019 08:17

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

also wtf at using lists and magic index numbers everywhere instead of dictionaries/hashmaps

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

what's the hivemind on bazel/nix? i'm looking at a devops position which involves moving software devs onto building with bazel and then deploying with nix - providing support, plugins, etc etc

# ? Jan 24, 2019 14:16

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