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DigitalMocking
Jun 8, 2010

Wine is constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy.
Benjamin Franklin

22 Eargesplitten posted:

Sadly, no. Not at 5 years experience and no experience as a network admin.

Applied for a couple more positions. One of them is a long drive for a pay cut, but it's software QA / testing which would be a foot in the dev door at least. I think. And not as much of a pay cut as what I'm currently looking at (albeit with a shorter drive on that one).

Something is going to come in eventually.

I was going to apply for tech support for the school district, but why the gently caress would they think it's a good idea to automatically contact your current supervisor if they're interested in you? I kind of don't want my manager knowing I'm looking for something new, TYVM.

Always apply.

Apply anyway.

20% of a job's requirements are all you really need unless it's WEIRDLY specific.

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Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


My title is IT Consultant and it makes me sound important.

(I'm really a computer janitor :negative:)

beyonder
Jun 23, 2007
Beyond hardcore.


Number ending 115 seems to belong to same company. As you can see I did speak with the chap couple times but it smells. Heavy indian accent, doesn't understand that "my_rate€ per day + expenses + taxes" is not negotiable and offers about 1/4 of that per day including everything. Guessing he's desperate and about to get fired or its a scam of some kind.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



DigitalMocking posted:

Always apply.

Apply anyway.

20% of a job's requirements are all you really need unless it's WEIRDLY specific.

That hasn't been my experience sadly :shrug:. Maybe it's just the CO market, the CO market seems to work counter to what a lot of people say. I guess I can apply at least, although the part saying you have to be capable of 12 hour days is kind of a red flag.

This Boulder Valley school district position would be 50-72k per year for support, so the pay is good. I'm qualified. Maybe I should call someone tomorrow and see when exactly they call the supervisor, explain that my supervisor wouldn't be happy to find out that I'm looking for a new job.

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost

22 Eargesplitten posted:

That hasn't been my experience sadly :shrug:. Maybe it's just the CO market, the CO market seems to work counter to what a lot of people say. I guess I can apply at least, although the part saying you have to be capable of 12 hour days is kind of a red flag.


DigitalMocking posted:

Always apply.

Apply anyway.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

The job I just started I am woefully under-qualified for, 60-70% of what they were looking for/wanted I've only vaguely touched but I know about it, researched it and talked big, but did not lie.

I haven't done A but I'd do something like X, Y, Z, google, and lean on co-workers for help as needed

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



MF_James posted:

The job I just started I am woefully under-qualified for, 60-70% of what they were looking for/wanted I've only vaguely touched but I know about it, researched it and talked big, but did not lie.

I haven't done A but I'd do something like X, Y, Z, google, and lean on co-workers for help as needed

I was actually strangely confident on applications and in the interview today. I feel like I'm somehow getting in the groove of emphasizing the awesome things I've done without sounding arrogant, which has always been one of my problems. Probably doesn't hurt that the line of questioning in the interview naturally led to me saying that I started college at 16. They were going job by job on what I'd done, I think I need to guide the conversations a bit and try to pull in the significance of what I've done at some jobs (Powershell a several week job into two days, create budget reports for a $70 million project within four months of first touching the product).

I'm very lacking in self-confidence, especially lately. I feel like I need someone to hype me up before interviews or something.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Tab8715 posted:

What’s everyone’s thoughts on nearly every IT Position starting with senior?

We currently have a few junior contractors who have listed their current job as Senior Lead <role> at <department> <company>, simply because they are the only person in that role in that team.

The actually seniors in other teams are pretty annoyed by it and give them poo poo for it weekly when they come in with questions anyone with more than 2-3 years of experience would know.

They are all contracted through the same lovely company and I think the company makes them do this. They also have fabricated CV’s when applying to match the requested skillset almost 100%. When interviewing it turns out that they don’t actually have experience but they thought about following a training in the next couple of months.

We’ve fired several of them already and the one that still remains can’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Developer how has never written a unit test, took 8 sprints to deliver a 5 point feature and keeps crying that “the pipeline is making his life incredibly difficult and sets an unreasonable standard”. In the meanwhile we have a dozen of other teams who do not have any trouble with our coding standards.

Company they work for are on my personal shitlist. If I see a resume from them I auto decline the HR request to interview them these days.

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006

22 Eargesplitten posted:

I'm very lacking in self-confidence, especially lately. I feel like I need someone to hype me up before interviews or something.

HBO's _Oz_ taught me that PCP will fix this for you.

bru
May 7, 2006

pampering lifes complexity

Methanar posted:


Always apply. 

Apply anyway.

This a thousand times. I've told it to a countless number of people over the years.

Years ago I didn't apply for something as I didn't think I was good enough. After the position was filled the hiring manager asked why I hadn't put an application in, "didn't think I was qualified" was my response. Turns out she thought I was. I still kick myself about it every now and then.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
I almost had a job as a "senior" once.

It was going to be first line support.

Senior was because "you would be taking control of your own issues".

insidius
Jul 21, 2009

What a guy!
Senior for me was a means to an end. We got bought out by a *INSERT LARGE MULTI-NATIONAL HERE* who implemented a system whereby you may receive no raise in pay other than through moving to a newer position which has a higher pay range.

Previously all of my staff were at the same level, no junior and no senior. Just *Administrator*.

In order to get around this I invented senior positions and split off some very specific things to go with it so that I still have a path to reward staff who excel beyond "Keeping them up with inflation". If I wish to retain and grow internal talent it is my only real choice.

It also allows me to go to market at a higher offering than I otherwise could.

angry armadillo
Jul 26, 2010

insidius posted:

Do you have a HR you can speak to about your concerns? I have traditionally distrusted HR but we got a HR person about a year ago who has been fantastic and would absolutely not stand for that. I myself have lost team members (to be fair I encouraged them) due to such a process and HR will not allow any team to prevent application nor to interfere with applications simply because it will impact an existing team. They believe strongly in progression and will deal with the results of that progression to existing teams in an independent manner.

If such a thing as you suggest were to go ahead, I would seriously considering finding employment where your progression is far more valued. Though of course, for any number of reasons you may be unable to do so.

I think raising it before anything happens is probably a bit presumptuous and wouldn't reflect well on me but it's an option

Interestingly, between my last post and now, we found out one of the other managers that does the same job as me is about to disappear on secondment for 9 months so I'm trying to get in touch to find out what plans are in place to cover that to pre-empt anything on that front.


One slightly political option is to just openly tell everyone that I'm going for this job, I think most people will say yeah you'd be a good fit there so if there was any sneaky tactics and I was to raise an issue, at least it would be fairly unexpected that I didn't get that move - also at that point if I did raise it, I'd basically be seeking employment elsewhere anywhere so I wouldn't really care.

but yes this is an option if it transpires that anyone is being naughty ha

PancakeTransmission
May 27, 2007

You gotta improvise, Lisa: cloves, Tom Collins mix, frozen pie crust...


Plaster Town Cop
"Engineer" is not protected in Australia*, so anyone can call themselves a ___ engineer with no degree or certification. It certainly sounds better than "senior sandwich technician"...

*Except the title "Registered Professional Engineer"

angry armadillo
Jul 26, 2010

PancakeTransmission posted:

"Engineer" is not protected in Australia*, so anyone can call themselves a ___ engineer with no degree or certification. It certainly sounds better than "senior sandwich technician"...

*Except the title "Registered Professional Engineer"

Weird - when I was in Australia they wouldn't even let me make a patch lead myself as I am not a qualified electrician. So seems weird they wouldn't protect that title.


One of my friends went to University (infact my only friend that went to Uni...) and got some engineering degree, so when my other friend calls himself a heating engineer - degree friend goes mental saying you're not a real engineer bla bla bla


My title used to have engineer in when I was 21 and basically turned computers on and off and hoped for the best ha ha.

rafikki
Mar 8, 2008

I see what you did there. (It's pretty easy, since ducks have a field of vision spanning 340 degrees.)

~SMcD


I've gone from security analyst to security engineer to senior security engineer over three and a half years /shrug. I'm very good at what I do in the context of the role and our company, so I guess it makes sense but I wouldn't see myself as senior going somewhere else.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

insidius posted:

Senior for me was a means to an end. We got bought out by a *INSERT LARGE MULTI-NATIONAL HERE* who implemented a system whereby you may receive no raise in pay other than through moving to a newer position which has a higher pay range.

Previously all of my staff were at the same level, no junior and no senior. Just *Administrator*.

In order to get around this I invented senior positions and split off some very specific things to go with it so that I still have a path to reward staff who excel beyond "Keeping them up with inflation". If I wish to retain and grow internal talent it is my only real choice.

It also allows me to go to market at a higher offering than I otherwise could.

So what happens when everyone on your team has been bumped to senior and every new hire is one to keep up with market wages? You have an entire team of senior administrators and the title is again meaningless.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

So what happens when everyone on your team has been bumped to senior and every new hire is one to keep up with market wages? You have an entire team of senior administrators and the title is again meaningless.
from experience: one gets promoted to Principal Engineer and one to Distinguished Engineer

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
Distinguished principal engineer

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
I'm starting to get flashbacks to cliffyB's game mocking COD here.

E: Duty calls, if anyone doesn't know.

insidius
Jul 21, 2009

What a guy!

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

So what happens when everyone on your team has been bumped to senior and every new hire is one to keep up with market wages? You have an entire team of senior administrators and the title is again meaningless.

Nah. I got juniors now internally if needed. Not every admin is a winner so always room for juniors.

lament.cfg
Dec 28, 2006

we have such posts
to show you




Sepist posted:

Distinguished principal engineer

Delightfully Devilish Principal

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Bigger companies also tend to have a tier called "(senior) staff engineer" that sits between senior and principal.

Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe

LochNessMonster posted:

We currently have a few junior contractors who have listed their current job as Senior Lead <role> at <department> <company>, simply because they are the only person in that role in that team.

The actually seniors in other teams are pretty annoyed by it and give them poo poo for it weekly when they come in with questions anyone with more than 2-3 years of experience would know.

They are all contracted through the same lovely company and I think the company makes them do this. They also have fabricated CV’s when applying to match the requested skillset almost 100%. When interviewing it turns out that they don’t actually have experience but they thought about following a training in the next couple of months.

We’ve fired several of them already and the one that still remains can’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Developer how has never written a unit test, took 8 sprints to deliver a 5 point feature and keeps crying that “the pipeline is making his life incredibly difficult and sets an unreasonable standard”. In the meanwhile we have a dozen of other teams who do not have any trouble with our coding standards.

Company they work for are on my personal shitlist. If I see a resume from them I auto decline the HR request to interview them these days.

inwork?

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
The bad part of my job is rearing its ugly head in full force today. Since I work for a large bank security and network engineering are completely separated even in our test lab. I need to make one minor change to Cisco ISE to confirm a feature on a new platform but because all of the security ISE SMEs (2!!!) Are on PTO it wont get done. I know ISE pretty well so I sent an email to one our security distro groups asking someone with admin to screen share with me and I'll walk them through it...completely ignored. So now I have to get up 2 levels of management to have them force someone to work with me.

Gonna go back to small/medium businesses when I'm ready to move on. I think the lone wolf engineer fits me much better

orange sky
May 7, 2007

I was a Lead Consultant because hey, I'm a consultant on a one man team for this product, I guess I'm the Lead, right?

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


insidius posted:

implemented a system whereby you may receive no raise in pay other than through moving to a newer position which has a higher pay range.

gently caress this now and forever. That's a good way to ensure that good people leave for somewhere that will at least keep up with inflation/cost of living, if not merit increases.

angry armadillo posted:

Weird - when I was in Australia they wouldn't even let me make a patch lead myself as I am not a qualified electrician. So seems weird they wouldn't protect that title.


One of my friends went to University (infact my only friend that went to Uni...) and got some engineering degree, so when my other friend calls himself a heating engineer - degree friend goes mental saying you're not a real engineer bla bla bla


My title used to have engineer in when I was 21 and basically turned computers on and off and hoped for the best ha ha.

I was a Workstation Engineer computer janitor at my last gig, for several years. My dad is an actual Mechanical Engineer, so I felt kind of self-conscious about it. Current gig - I'm not actually sure what my title is. I'm using "Help Desk Analyst" because that's what the other guys are using, but I'm not actually Help Desk, though still largely a PC janitor.

dogstile posted:

I'm starting to get flashbacks to cliffyB's game mocking COD here.

E: Duty calls, if anyone doesn't know.

<fire 5 bullets>
RANK UP!
SERGEANT SERGEANT MASTER SERGEANT SHOOTER PERSON!

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


orange sky posted:

I was a Lead Consultant because hey, I'm a consultant on a one man team for this product, I guess I'm the Lead, right?

Bad news, you're also the Junior Consultant.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
I'm a "senior technology specialist" and it basically means that in addition to still doing some regular ticket work, I am to go to person for the higher ups and I get to do project work. But I do get paid alot more than the "technology specialists" on the team so w/e.

RoboBoogie
Sep 18, 2008
im a functional lead, didnt know that i was a functioning human.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


LochNessMonster posted:

We currently have a few junior contractors who have listed their current job as Senior Lead <role> at <department> <company>, simply because they are the only person in that role in that team.

The actually seniors in other teams are pretty annoyed by it and give them poo poo for it weekly when they come in with questions anyone with more than 2-3 years of experience would know.

They are all contracted through the same lovely company and I think the company makes them do this. They also have fabricated CV’s when applying to match the requested skillset almost 100%. When interviewing it turns out that they don’t actually have experience but they thought about following a training in the next couple of months.

We’ve fired several of them already and the one that still remains can’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Developer how has never written a unit test, took 8 sprints to deliver a 5 point feature and keeps crying that “the pipeline is making his life incredibly difficult and sets an unreasonable standard”. In the meanwhile we have a dozen of other teams who do not have any trouble with our coding standards.

Company they work for are on my personal shitlist. If I see a resume from them I auto decline the HR request to interview them these days.

If one of my colleges misrepresented their credentials that's on them not me. If it impacts the business or reputation of the company then HR needs to get involved.

On the flip side, I've seen many folks :airquote: polish :airquote: their resumes and interview with assistance which could be considered by some to straight up lying. What is interesting though is how many HR Departments don't validate employment history or only check with their current employer, don't ask questions based off of their resume or if they graduated college or even high school.

I've seen it personally happen at F1000s. It's freaking weird but YMMV.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
Coworker was searching for a fix for an issue with ClickShare (neat screen sharing thing)

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost
1 year max validity period ssl certs lol

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k

silicone thrills posted:

Coworker was searching for a fix for an issue with ClickShare (neat screen sharing thing)



Replace clickshare with skype for business meetings and all of those results are valid

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Sepist posted:

Replace clickshare with skype for business meetings and all of those results are valid

Complete agreement. We are using sfb on prem and we're going on like... a year of lovely behavior. Every time I see my manager and director I start pounding my desk and chanting
teams teams teams . (IT is already all using it, I just want to hurry up and get the wide deployment done)


Also we have meeting/chat history turned off so sfb really really doesn't work right and constantly loses messages completely. Some weirdo previous legal decision.

silicone thrills fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jan 24, 2019

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


my favorite thing about SFB is in group conversations the first message is always missed when you join so who knows what the emergency is? click the x and wait for an email

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.

Darchangel posted:

gently caress this now and forever. That's a good way to ensure that good people leave for somewhere that will at least keep up with inflation/cost of living, if not merit increases.


I was a Workstation Engineer computer janitor at my last gig, for several years. My dad is an actual Mechanical Engineer, so I felt kind of self-conscious about it. Current gig - I'm not actually sure what my title is. I'm using "Help Desk Analyst" because that's what the other guys are using, but I'm not actually Help Desk, though still largely a PC janitor.


<fire 5 bullets>
RANK UP!
SERGEANT SERGEANT MASTER SERGEANT SHOOTER PERSON!

I was a 'support engineer' at my first job. Pretty sure the developers hated that support was called engineers, and real engineers probably hate that software devs are called engineers.

insidius
Jul 21, 2009

What a guy!

Darchangel posted:

gently caress this now and forever. That's a good way to ensure that good people leave for somewhere that will at least keep up with inflation/cost of living, if not merit increases.

I most certainly do not agree it with it and find it...ill considered.

Luckily while owned by a multinational (HQ in the US) our management is relatively independent (Provided we hit revenue targets) and so we have *some* room to move on things. I am fairly sure the highest up here are not exactly blind to my little scheme and simply choose to turn a blind eye to it. The US just sees “promotions”.

That being said the company that owns is in an entirely different industry to what we actually do so I would not expect they look that deeply into what junior or senior actually mean if anything. They just see junior and senior.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


I looked today and I have about 30k in a retirement account at 29. That seems low to me but then I realized that there's a ton of people that have zero dollars in retirement.

I should really increase my deposit amount in my retirement this year...

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skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Vargatron posted:

I looked today and I have about 30k in a retirement account at 29. That seems low to me but then I realized that there's a ton of people that have zero dollars in retirement.

I should really increase my deposit amount in my retirement this year...

Just make sure you're maximizing any company match you get. Save as much as you feel comfortable with, but I'm not a fan of hyper saving. Tomorrow is not promised, so balance preparing for retirement while still having some fun today.

I'm in my mid/late 30's and my wife and I have about 250K between the 2 of us, and I fret that it won't be enough, but I know way too many people my age with ZERO retirement money.

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