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enki42 posted:I really don't get the obsession with requiring that all friends and coworkers publicly denounce sex pests. Like yes, of course if you knew something I think you have a responsibility to say something, but beyond that I don't know how we benefit from criticizing people for saying things like it's complicated. (note this is totally different from actually supporting said pests - I think Janeane Garofalo deserves some criticism.) As much as rapists and predators are terrible people, there’s a real witch-hunt feeling the way people go after their friends and family when these things go public that I find really distasteful and kind of disturbing. You can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep, true, but nobody knows anybody else 100%. I read the article about the Apt Pupil set incident, and I couldn’t finish it. I know how that kid felt, and it was too much to take. Deadguy2322 fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Jan 24, 2019 |
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Sodomy Hussein posted:In any case, it was really obvious watching the movie why Sacha Baron Cohen dropped out. I lost 100% desire to see that movie when I heard all the lies and bullshit they put into it. I mean there's taking a few liberties and then there's banging someone's life to conform to a cliche fiction arc
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Deadguy2322 posted:As much as rapists and predators are terrible people, there’s a real witch-hunt feeling the way people go after their friends and family when these things go public that I find really distasteful and kind of disturbing. You can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep, true, but nobody knows anybody else 100%. I saw that movie as a child myself. It was dark. From Stephen King's real weird period. I don't even know what the set incident was and almost certainly don't want to.
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enki42 posted:I really don't get the obsession with requiring that all friends and coworkers publicly denounce sex pests. Like yes, of course if you knew something I think you have a responsibility to say something, but beyond that I don't know how we benefit from criticizing people for saying things like it's complicated. (note this is totally different from actually supporting said pests - I think Janeane Garofalo deserves some criticism.) It's not about requiring public denouncement for its own sake, and in fact not even really about the individual morality of friends and coworkers, even -- it's that tacit acceptance and shying away from controversy is a big part of what allows them to keep doing what they do. The point is to eventually build a society where being a sexual abuser means you're shunned and ostracized, instead of one where the Weinsteins of the world decide who gets to make movies or find jobs.
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Jan 24, 2019 22:07
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Like Rami Malek doesn't have to immediately come out and parade a sign saying "BRYAN SINGER IS A RAPIST AND A POO POO HEAD", but when asked directly about what's going on with him it's obviously not great if he just sort of gives a non-committal shrug and changes the subject. Though I do understand that if he did start coming out against someone so powerful, it would be very easy for him to never work again.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:It's not about requiring public denouncement for its own sake, and in fact not even really about the individual morality of friends and coworkers, even -- it's that tacit acceptance and shying away from controversy is a big part of what allows them to keep doing what they do. The point is to eventually build a society where being a sexual abuser means you're shunned and ostracized, instead of one where the Weinsteins of the world decide who gets to make movies or find jobs. If you’re good friends with a bad person its a hard thing to grapple with. I have a hard time being okay with my friends being mildy racist, transphobic and just more in the right. If my best friend was a sex pest I would be at a loss. Stop asking these people things. It’s not our business to understand their POV.
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I don’t expect this movie to actually get made, but still, wtf https://twitter.com/tatianasiegel27/status/1088562198740254721?s=21
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CelticPredator posted:If you’re good friends with a bad person its a hard thing to grapple with. I have a hard time being okay with my friends being mildy racist, transphobic and just more in the right. If my best friend was a sex pest I would be at a loss. My father was a Holocaust denier and a neo-nazi. I am not, largely because my peer group constantly gave me poo poo for it and demanded better of me until I had no choice but to become a better person. I am extremely lucky in that I was de-radicalized in a time before you could easily find support for any horrible opinion on the internet, and where the opinion of your real life community arguably had more force than it does now. So no, I'm not going to stop asking people to make it hard to be evil. Not only would it be bad for society, it would be immensely hypocritical for me of all people to act otherwise. It wouldn't even be good for bad people, because without an impetus to change there's not much chance at genuine rehabilitation! Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jan 24, 2019 |
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I’m saying stop asking their friends what they think about their bad friends. It’s complicated and not worth the time.
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Barry Convex posted:I don’t expect this movie to actually get made, but still, wtf https://twitter.com/AaronCouch/status/1088562335759777793
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Gillette's controversial ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2rIgsPlJd0 Sucrose posted:It’s like this guy on reddit, who, in a thread about Harvey Weinstein, said “Well I worked on one of Harvey Weinstein’s movies once and he was cool and brought us crewpeople some pizza. He didn’t seen creepy at all.” Pizza bribery goes a long way. Kevin Spacey has been delivering pizzas to Daily Mail reporters to curry favor https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kevin-spacey-photographed-smiling-wearing-235940864.html And not gourmet pizzas either. Despite a net worth ~100 million USD he's bringing Domino's. Krankenstyle posted:Weird that she would defend Louis, but friends are friends regardless of sex weirdity I guess. Also, didn't Garofalo used to be like the go-to target for right wing hacks in the 90s tho right? Her being a vaguely liberal outspoken woman, etc. Maybe some target sympathy there idk Yes, she used to go on Fox News occasionally (frequently around the Iraq invasion fifteen years back) and Bill O'Reilly would call her a "pinhead" and other stuff like that for not being 100% behind the US invasion while rightists fist-pumped in unison. This went on for years.
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CelticPredator posted:I’m saying stop asking their friends what they think about their bad friends. It’s complicated and not worth the time. I don't think that's true at all. It's definitely complicated, but the conversation about the weird difficult space where you have social ties to a bad person and care about their well-being but don't want to condone their actions is a valuable one to have, there are good and bad ways to go about doing that, and little to gain from sweeping it under the rug. If someone doesn't want to talk about it with a microphone in their face, fine, but there's no reason for the rest of us to completely avoid the conversation.
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Have any former friends of industry predators been interviewed? Because someone who changed their mind and is willing to talk publicly could be a valuable resource in dealing with this. And if the interviews with ex-friends are publicized more than still-loyal ones, it could normalize the idea of being wrong about trusting someone and coming to terms with that fact. Predators groom communities as well as victims after all. They don't even have to straight-up say "Rami Malek/Pauley Perrette/etc are either evil allies or manipulated victims", they could just drown them out and make them less relevant than the people who switched sides.
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This guy of course has his own sexual harassment suit going on. https://deadline.com/2017/05/avi-lerner-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-millennium-films-nu-image-gender-bias-1202083560/ https://twitter.com/alisonwillmore/status/1088569104578080769
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syscall girl posted:I saw that movie as a child myself. It was dark. The irony is if I remember right the movie was really, really toned down from King's story. Like I think the shower scene in question actually replaced a rape fantasy.
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STAC Goat posted:The irony is if I remember right the movie was really, really toned down from King's story. Like I think the shower scene in question actually replaced a rape fantasy. The book was probably the most extreme thing King ever wrote, and honestly would be unfilmable in any kind of accurate adaptation. I have read almost all of his stuff up to 1991 or so, and that’s the one thing I would never re-read. The movie was so loosely based on the book that it really only shared the title, loose concept and character names. I doubt anyone but King could have gotten a major publisher to print it, and nobody would these days.
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CelticPredator posted:I’m saying stop asking their friends what they think about their bad friends. It’s complicated and not worth the time. It's really not at all, and it's not even the worst scenario, lgbtq kids with trans/homophobic parents or young minorities with parents or other family members who are bigoted against other people of color (including those of their own nationality) deal with that poo poo all the time, and would live in constant abuse if they just sat there and took and didn't talk about it because it's "too complicated and not worth their time." Dialogue is how we move forward. Burying your head in the sand and not speaking up when someone you care about is saying terrible poo poo is not. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jan 25, 2019 |
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I chatted about this topic with a friend and she pointed out that putting someone close to an abuser on the spot like that can both be harmful to the person in question (even if they genuinely didn't know and/or give a unobjectionable response when asked) and, moreover, that trying to directly break down the social environment that an abuser operates in can lead to retaliation against the victim. I don't think it changes my position, but I'm sorry if I was too flippant or inconsiderate about what's at stake.
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GLAAD has stripped Bohemian Rhapsody of its best original film nominee at their annual GLAAD Media Awards in the wake of the new accusations against Bryan SingerGLAAD statement to Variety posted:In light of the latest allegations against director Bryan Singer, GLAAD has made the difficult decision to remove ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ from contention for a GLAAD Media Award in the Outstanding Film – Wide Release category this year. This week’s story in The Atlantic documenting unspeakable harms endured by young men and teenage boys brought to light a reality that cannot be ignored or even tacitly rewarded.
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Yikes Brian May https://consequenceofsound.net/2019/01/queen-brian-may-bryan-singer/ 
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Love the idea that the net effect of Bohemian Rhapsody has been to make him seem more like a jackass
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What is up with Americans confusing legal concepts for things that are...not that?
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porfiria posted:What is up with Americans confusing legal concepts for things that are...not that? Law is basically applied ethics, and the foundational document for all of American law is also very much a statement of our national ethos, for better or worse.
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If a gay man can objectify women enough to deliver an ‘accurate’ Red Sonja movie then, uh good business decision I guess? He’s crapped out some good films, but without McQuarrie writing or a great male cast (or both) there ain’t much there. Has there ever been a great, or even notable female performance in anything he’s directed? Minor X-men is all I got.
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Remulak posted:If a gay man can objectify women enough to deliver an ‘accurate’ Red Sonja movie then, uh good business decision I guess? the Usual Suspects was aggressively empty of women.
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Snowman_McK posted:the Usual Suspects was aggressively empty of women. Gabriel Byrne's love interest/lawyer uuh yep
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It's crazy how Singer keeps dodging these bullets like he's in the loving Matrix. His RED SONJA gig is fine (though I doubt it'll actually get made, but not for those reasons), he has the support of his producer who has his own issues (its the same guy who groped Terry Crews) and Brian May just came out in support. He's been doing this from the beginning and it slides off him. All that is crazy enough, but Spacey got brought down by a lot less.
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DrVenkman posted:All that is crazy enough, but Spacey got brought down by a lot less. Accusations like these are probably a lot more damaging to actors than behind-the-scenes people. You can't watch a Kevin Spacey film without being reminded of his crimes, but how many people even know Bohemian Rhapsody was directed by Singer?
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Samuel Clemens posted:Accusations like these are probably a lot more damaging to actors than behind-the-scenes people. You can't watch a Kevin Spacey film without being reminded of his crimes, but how many people even know Bohemian Rhapsody was directed by Singer? That's plausible, but less optimistic than speculating that the man just has nuclear-grade dirt on everyone in Hollywood (and hoping he takes them with him whenever he finally goes down).
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:That's plausible, but less optimistic than speculating that the man just has nuclear-grade dirt on everyone in Hollywood (and hoping he takes them with him whenever he finally goes down). He’s also sheparded one of Fox’s most profitable franchises for nearly two decades now. I mean X-Men has spawned multiple sequels, a soft reboot, tv shows... he’s a producer on a significant amount of it. He’s made serious money for the studios.
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Fart City posted:He’s also sheparded one of Fox’s most profitable franchises for nearly two decades now. I mean X-Men has spawned multiple sequels, a soft reboot, tv shows... he’s a producer on a significant amount of it. He’s made serious money for the studios. That's what it is, he's just a very powerful person because he took something that was a very questionable property at the time, X-men, and turned it into a cash cow that's been making money for the studio for a long time now. Kevin Spacey had a popular Netflix show but there's just no comparison to the kind of money Singer has made over the years for his corporate masters.
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He either has friends in very high places or dirt on someone in a very high place. Sex Pest former DC editor Eddie Berganza allegedly had a very good friend in the Time Warner upper execs which protected him for over a decade.
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Samuel Clemens posted:Accusations like these are probably a lot more damaging to actors than behind-the-scenes people. You can't watch a Kevin Spacey film without being reminded of his crimes, but how many people even know Bohemian Rhapsody was directed by Singer? It's funny that this all, sort of, goes back to Weinstein who wasn't the first or the last just a first big splash in the pool. And most filmgoers couldn't tell you what he did other than have a private casting couch.
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porfiria posted:What is up with Americans confusing legal concepts for things that are...not that? Brian May is British.
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Brian backtracks ... sort of: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/jan/25/brian-may-bryan-singer-queen?CMP=twt_gu
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DrVenkman posted:he has the support of his producer who has his own issues (its the same guy who groped Terry Crews) I'm not blaming you for confusing a few of these sleazebags, but said producer (slash sex pest) pressured Terry to stop making noise about his groping by a different producer.
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Given how easily he skates, with documented protection by producers, Bryan Singer is walking talking proof that there is a Hollywood child sex ring.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Given how easily he skates, with documented protection by producers, Bryan Singer is walking talking proof that there is a Hollywood child sex ring. He’s gonna be like the American Jimmy Savile when he pops off.
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Fart City posted:He’s gonna be like the American Jimmy Savile when he pops off. That could have been phrased much better.
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