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So I've been migrating things over to a new laptop, and with Fire Pro I figured I'd have to repatch all the mods, but now the drat PWGR installer won't work. I thought I had .Net 4.0.3019 installed but it'll open and say "PWGR Patcher has stopped working" with something referring to a System.TypeLoadException. Can't find any recent posts on this anywhere (since all the hubbub over mods not working was last year.) Do I just need to download the very latest version?
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I've seen more people have issues with the new PWRG patcher than the old one, but in your case, it's worth a shot. That, or double check that all the files associated with pwgr are there, and in the right locations.
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Jan 25, 2019 13:13
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The IMPACT game didn't even have submissions if I recall, they just counted as pins. Remember that lovely Lucha game that Konami made? The main appeal was a free mask with pre-order. Then they got rid of it and everyone cancelled their pre-orders. The state of wrestling video games is sad
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Jan 25, 2019 17:00
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I don't know about submissions but it definitely didn't have rear grapple moves. Good thing that roster didn't include Kurt Angle, a guy known for german suplexes
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Jan 25, 2019 20:06
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Takuan posted:I've seen more people have issues with the new PWRG patcher than the old one, but in your case, it's worth a shot. That, or double check that all the files associated with pwgr are there, and in the right locations. Figured it out, it was just getting the most current version of .Net that made it work.
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Jan 25, 2019 21:29
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Tato posted:The IMPACT game didn't even have submissions if I recall, they just counted as pins.
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Jan 25, 2019 21:38
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Tato posted:The IMPACT game didn't even have submissions if I recall, they just counted as pins. The problem with wrestling games is sort of a microcosm of sports games in general. Used to be you had lots of titles ranging from very sim to casual and arcade stuff that deliberately played with the rules (the NBA Street series where you do tricks to power up ultradunks that are so powerful they take points from the other team is a good example), but eventually dev costs and overall complexity went up, publishers started buying exclusives (or in wrestling's case, competitors went out of business), and the market contracted to "just the one annual detailed simulation for the dedicated fans of the sport". Don't like Madden for whatever reason? Well, gently caress you, that's all you're getting. It's worse for wrestling because it's a niche to start with, so even the one main series doesn't have the resources it needs (though with 2k it's largely a question of the time it would take to make a new engine.) And WWE's... acute degree of brand control is also a problem. But mostly it's a combination of costs going up and the market narrowing. If WWE All-Stars had sold well, who knows?
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Jan 25, 2019 21:45
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TEW remains the only good wrestling game But 2k19 was p decent
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Jan 25, 2019 21:48
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After a few preliminary attempts, doing a stream here in 20 minutes. Two-night PPV event, with 16-man tournament for the World Tile, four-team Tag Title tournament, eight-man J-Crown battle royal, and...a tag match. https://www.twitch.tv/doctordelaware (Warning: It's going to be choppy as poo poo, because I was dropping frames all over the place when I recorded the matches. This is what happens when you use Streamlabs to record, and stupidly keep doing stuff on the computer.)
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Jan 25, 2019 22:42
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Maxwell Lord posted:The problem with wrestling games is sort of a microcosm of sports games in general. Used to be you had lots of titles ranging from very sim to casual and arcade stuff that deliberately played with the rules (the NBA Street series where you do tricks to power up ultradunks that are so powerful they take points from the other team is a good example), but eventually dev costs and overall complexity went up, publishers started buying exclusives (or in wrestling's case, competitors went out of business), and the market contracted to "just the one annual detailed simulation for the dedicated fans of the sport". Don't like Madden for whatever reason? Well, gently caress you, that's all you're getting. With more non-WWE companies becoming visible we might get some people willing to sink money on interesting wrestling game projects. Personally I'd like to see more story based brawlers that take place in the wacky universe of wrestling.
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Jan 26, 2019 00:28
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Streets of Rage But It's The Elite would be sick as hell
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Jan 26, 2019 01:40
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Maxwell Lord posted:The problem with wrestling games is sort of a microcosm of sports games in general. Used to be you had lots of titles ranging from very sim to casual and arcade stuff that deliberately played with the rules (the NBA Street series where you do tricks to power up ultradunks that are so powerful they take points from the other team is a good example), but eventually dev costs and overall complexity went up, publishers started buying exclusives (or in wrestling's case, competitors went out of business), and the market contracted to "just the one annual detailed simulation for the dedicated fans of the sport". Don't like Madden for whatever reason? Well, gently caress you, that's all you're getting. yeah I also miss NFL Blitz
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Jan 26, 2019 02:41
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I miss the serious wrestling games also being arcadelike in gameplay and in the crazy stuff you can do. I know a lot of people like that over the top playing fighting game style one that WWE released a few years back but it was never my jam as far as satisfying the wrestling game itch. Sim and arcade can and have met comfortably in the middle before and I would love to see games like that again. But yeah, with there basically being one game in town, putting aside Fire Pro that is, and it being an attempt at a Madden style sim, there is nothing out there to satisfy aside from playing games from two or three console generations back.
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Jan 26, 2019 03:04
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Honestly I feel like Yakuza is the template I would like to see a wrestling game made in. Strong characters, satisfying combat, lots of trash talking and melodramatic flair.
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Jan 26, 2019 03:08
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Someone just needs to marry Fire Pro gameplay with (maybe) 3d graphics and a story system like the WWE games (but better).
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Jan 26, 2019 03:12
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HCTP was the perfect balance. I've put more hours into that that any other. WCW Mayhem was fun with my friends but I haven't played it in 20 years and I'm scared it's gonna actually be poo poo.
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Jan 26, 2019 03:14
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RBX posted:HCTP was the perfect balance. I've put more hours into that that any other. WCW Mayhem was fun with my friends but I haven't played it in 20 years and I'm scared it's gonna actually be poo poo. Mayhem was playable as far as I remember, but I quickly went back to playing AKI games when my rental of it was over. My favorite Wrestling game ever is probably AKI #5 Virtual Pro Wrestling 2, but HCTP was only prettier SVR 06 style CAW’s away from being perfect. Those weird looking shoulders and the clear visual difference from the in game roster was a big problem to me, luckily the roster was pretty amazing to make up for it.
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Jan 26, 2019 03:22
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I miss just getting weird cool stuff like Ultimate Muscle, Def Jam, and Rumble Roses in between the annual stuff. It was also cool to have different WWE games on each platform (GameCube, Xbox, Ps2) before they all became the same. I'd love to see a stripped down AKI style game on Switch, I don't expect it to be able to run WWE 2k19 (especially when 2k won't hire a studio good at porting games to it).
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Jan 26, 2019 06:17
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2K19 demonstrates if nothing else that Yukes has the willingness to go winningly stupid with their story mode, even if the gameplay won't go stupid in the same way... not in the way they intend, at least. Not yet.
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Basic Chunnel posted:2K19 demonstrates if nothing else that Yukes has the willingness to go winningly stupid with their story mode, even if the gameplay won't go stupid in the same way... not in the way they intend, at least. Not yet. The problem is still that the only stats that really matter are reversals and stamina, and then reversals are so stupid and so low risk/high reward because momentum is EVERYTHING that there's no reason not to spam out reversals. And if you end up behind in reversal amount, you're screwed.
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Jan 26, 2019 14:50
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On the discussion of stats, I hate how stupidly complicated stats have got in recent games in the series. You can have between one and five reversals, why the gently caress is that expressed as a stat between one and one hundred?
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Jan 26, 2019 20:04
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Only real reason I can see is bc things like streak mechanics and “power rankings” can bump your reversal stat enough to get you extra pips.
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Jan 26, 2019 20:46
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Basic Chunnel posted:Only real reason I can see is bc things like streak mechanics and “power rankings” can bump your reversal stat enough to get you extra pips. I didn’t actually consider that. That said, I think they should consolidate their stats a great deal and maybe even rate on a less granular level than 1-100 because creating a character right now takes for goddam ever and they still don’t play any differently from one another regardless of the care you put into doing it. Dedicated ai editing would make a lot of their decisions more palatable as well.
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CascadeBeta posted:The problem is still that the only stats that really matter are reversals and stamina, and then reversals are so stupid and so low risk/high reward because momentum is EVERYTHING that there's no reason not to spam out reversals. And if you end up behind in reversal amount, you're screwed. Yeah they tried with limited reversals but that just means if you’re out of them there’s a long period where you just can’t react to what an opponent does. And when I’m playing, I want kind of an even match, I wanna put on a good show, but there is no impetus at all to let your opponent do anything because being on the defensive is no fun. So either I steamroll the AI or hold back and get stunlocked.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:24
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It just straight up encourages you to spam moves that don't reversal stagger you to drain your opponent. Patch after patch and it never occurs to them that they should patch stagger into stomp reversals, and then again, if they did, it might make the game objectively worse, as you said, being on defense sucks in this series.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:30
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remusclaw posted:It just straight up encourages you to spam moves that don't reversal stagger you to drain your opponent. Patch after patch and it never occurs to them that they should patch stagger into stomp reversals, and then again, if they did, it might make the game objectively worse, as you said, being on defense sucks in this series. It also makes online play completely pointless because 75% of players play their OC 7'8" 350lb luchador with dreads and tribal tats, who has a 100 rating in every stat and a moveset consisting of either the most elaborate animations, the ones with the wonkiest counter timing or ones with no reversal stagger, meaning if you're trying to play as a midcard wrestler from the actual roster, you may as well quit out as soon as the match starts.
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I'm very appreciative of this thread because it has let me know about the VPW2 conversion mod (freem edition) in the works with a beta test tomorrow (!!). VPW2 is the best 3D wrestling game easily. I even put it over No Mercy for the higher frame rate, bright and vibrant color palette, timeless mid 90s puro roster, full entrances, and ring announcers. Additionally, I like that the game has an unbranded feel to it despite being an AJPW licensed game. I can put original characters in there and it looks just as much of a fit thematically as the pre-made characters. I know what I'm doing tomorrow. 
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Jan 28, 2019 03:08
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Wasn't there a Chikara game being developed like ages ago? I'm pretty sure I didn't halluciante that being a thing
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Jan 28, 2019 21:12
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I went and checked their twitter, it's still in development. Most recent tweet a couple days back.
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Jan 28, 2019 21:24
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I don't have too high of hopes for it considering the last indie developed wrestling game crippled a programmer and failed a kickstarter
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If I remember right, Chikara's game is going to be Action Arcade Wrestling 3, which is the sequel to two one dollar indy titles released on X Box arcade and such. They were ok for what they were, but nothing I wanted to play once the novelty wore off. I would say they almost feel like a budget MDickey game, with better controls and far less scope.
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Jan 28, 2019 22:41
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I picked up this on steam so I could change all the music to Hot Dad alternate tracks (I have brain disease). The Daniel Bryan showcase is pretty entertaining because of his narration. He laughs at all the times he gets super crapped on.
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Jan 28, 2019 23:44
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 just finished this creation for ps4 if anyone is interested. Made logo myself.
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Dishwasher posted:I'm very appreciative of this thread because it has let me know about the VPW2 conversion mod (freem edition) in the works with a beta test tomorrow (!!). VPW2 is the best 3D wrestling game easily. I even put it over No Mercy for the higher frame rate, bright and vibrant color palette, timeless mid 90s puro roster, full entrances, and ring announcers. Additionally, I like that the game has an unbranded feel to it despite being an AJPW licensed game. I can put original characters in there and it looks just as much of a fit thematically as the pre-made characters. I know what I'm doing tomorrow. Hey thanks for posting this, I had no idea the mod was coming out that soon and it is indeed really great. Just did a 40 man battle royal that came down to Spider-Man and Steve Austin.
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Jan 30, 2019 04:31
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seriously thinking about getting an n64 and one of those flashcarts so I can properly enjoy all the wrestling games I missed.
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Angry_Ed posted:Hey thanks for posting this, I had no idea the mod was coming out that soon and it is indeed really great. Just did a 40 man battle royal that came down to Spider-Man and Steve Austin.
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jesus WEP posted:well gently caress man don’t leave us hanging
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Jan 30, 2019 16:59
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I don't know much about the super fancy No Mercy mods these days but after looking at some of the recent ones, I'm interested. Will these mods work on N64 Flashcarts and original hardware or do you basically have to run them on emulators? I have a N64 USB controller so it shouldn't be an issue, but it would be cool to be able to play multiplayer around the tv.
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joylessdivision posted:Wasn't there a Chikara game being developed like ages ago? They just released a public beta for the create-a-wrestler part of the game. A few weeks ago they also released a pretty decent free mobile game called Kingdom of Trios. A puzzle fighter game that I guess is a lesser and non-freemium version of that WWE mobile game. Razerhawk keeps complaining on Twitter about how overpowered he is and how now everyone hates him.
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I think one problem with anyone coming up with a new wrestling game is, that despite the flaws in the WWE games, they have so much content in them, that any game that doesn't match up would be considered a failure.
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