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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:god gently caress companies that make me register with them them to apply. I sort of like it when they do that, because usually it means if you get interrupted mid application, it's saved. Now job boards requiring you to register to view their postings can gently caress off entirely. Though a lot of them don't like my "32 characters of gently caress YOU" setting on KeePass, which makes me sad.
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in the context of professional development, never say anyone's "no" for them
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Good news the shutdown ended in time for me to not lose my new job hurray
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Gazpacho posted:view from the new job same monitor(s) as me it's not a very good model mind you serviceable though
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Skyl3lazer posted:Good news the shutdown ended in time for me to not lose my new job hurray I am glad you did not get even more hosed over op
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Skyl3lazer posted:Good news the shutdown ended in time for me to not lose my new job hurray   heres hoping they dont shut the whole thing down again next week
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company i just screened with says part of the interview process is homework that should only take "a couple nights at most" um, yes, i'm funemployed, but
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Penisface posted:thanks thread, i got a new job and a 66% number go up in figgies Very nice job! Skyl3lazer posted:Good news the shutdown ended in time for me to not lose my new job hurray Do people who had a start date during the furlough really lose that job? Ciaphas posted:company i just screened with says part of the interview process is homework that should only take "a couple nights at most" "Oh cool, I would like a couple of nights worth of pay."
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interview call scheduled for 33 mins ago. no call, no response to email, nobody has appeared in this hangout they sent me, no nothing. kind of tempted to sit here for the scheduled hour just so i can say i can but also life's too loving short
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i'm getting the most action through linkedin, it seems.
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Feb 4, 2019 19:37
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LinkedIn injects a recruiter or 2 a day into my inbox throughout the workweek
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Feb 4, 2019 19:55
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their jobs search has a ton of stuff relative to other sites i've tried. i think i need to try and find a good recruiter. e: i have applied for a lot of jobs today DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Feb 4, 2019 |
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:their jobs search has a ton of stuff relative to other sites i've tried. underdog.io has come through for me today( i think as emails come directly from internal recruiters and no sign if they were directed there from underdog) Have 4 calls scheduled so far and my resume just went up this morning.
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mekkanare posted:"Oh cool, I would like a couple of nights worth of pay." said company just sent me an electronic nda to sign on one hand, funemployed; on other hand  i've already got bad feels
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the kool-aid is free!
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Ciaphas posted:said company just sent me an electronic nda to sign an nda for an interview isn’t a red flag. you’re looking for reasons to sabotage yourself. stop that.
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Feb 4, 2019 21:58
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I will do take homes for companies I'm fairly excited about. gently caress you if you want me to do a take home for your lovely startup a recruiter just emailed me about tho. I wish more places would just ask for a loving code sample that we can discuss in the interview. I have a few PRs on github that demonstrate that I know what I'm doing way the gently caress better than any take home code test could.
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Achmed Jones posted:an nda for an interview isn’t a red flag. you’re looking for reasons to sabotage yourself. stop that. fair cop, you're right. just surprised i guess. see what happens after the phone interview wednesday, anyway
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:I wish more places would just ask for a loving code sample that we can discuss in the interview. I have a few PRs on github that demonstrate that I know what I'm doing way the gently caress better than any take home code test could. no, you see, you could be lying about those. they can get a far better indicator of your competence by running you through a gauntlet of tests that an entire industry of studying for has sprung up around.
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raminasi posted:no, you see, you could be lying about those. they can get a far better indicator of your competence by running you through a gauntlet of tests that an entire industry of studying for has sprung up around. I'm mega tooting my own horn here and please make fun of me for it, but I've been trying to shoehorn this PR into everything I can so that hopefully a hiring dev will see it: https://github.com/sksamuel/elastic4s/pull/1206/files It's good because: 1. It shows that I can make significant changes to a complex codebase. 2. It shows that I can communicate effectively with other programmers. 3. It shows that I have a reasonable command of advanced programming concepts (generics, asynchronous programming, etc). I just don't understand how anyone could glance at that PR and conclude that asking me to fizzbuzz is a necessary step to hiring me. There are so many better discussions we could be having. Not everyone is going to have an example like this, but surely everyone has a code sample or project they could present to an interviewing team. DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Feb 4, 2019 |
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y'all some choosy beggars itt ive had phone screens where there was obviously another person in the room who had the answers, I've interviewed 15y+ software architects who couldn't write a function signature a PR out in space has zero connection to the resource walking in the door. the only time i actually looked at a candidate's GitHub it was filled with lovely C++ "katas" that whiffed on the rule-of-3, if I was making a determination on that alone it would've been a "no"
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lol is there any other loving sector* of the economy that has homework as part of the interview process *almost posted "industry" but i don't believe that term applies
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:lol is there any other loving sector* of the economy that has homework as part of the interview process many have actual accreditation and qualification, so don't need to do it per job
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fizzbuzz is some bullshit but the reason it keeps being used is because there are lots of people with sterling software engineering resumes who cant do it. its a cheap and easy test to filter out frauds the last interview i participated in was for an it support site lead position (for a location running mixed mac and windows) and the first candidate who came in specifically mentioned he possessed the specific mac/windows integration certification on his cv. the first tech question we asked him was the easy filter "so, what steps do you do to bind a mac laptop to an active directory domain?" and he stammered and hemmed and said he couldnt remember how to do it off the top of his head, and even with multiple hints ("so, you go to users & groups...") he couldnt come close to the correct answer, and the interview went downhill from there people will claim all sorts of wild poo poo on their resumes and you have to test them to see if any of it is true. theyre just doing basic due diligence
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Should engineering managers write code? What do you do when a fellow engineering manager at a company of 60 says they want to focus on ‘process development’ and engineering directorship when they are only 2 months at the company? I know we largely make fun of tech, but gently caress real life sucks too when people want to put in process boards. Dirk Pitt fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Feb 4, 2019 |
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FMguru posted:fizzbuzz is some bullshit but the reason it keeps being used is because there are lots of people with sterling software engineering resumes who cant do it. its a cheap and easy test to filter out frauds Yeah this is fair. I think my issue is less with fizzbuzz and more with having to solve involved problems in a whiteboarding session. It's just not how I work and despite a lot of effort I'm still really bad at it.
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:Yeah this is fair. I think my issue is less with fizzbuzz and more with having to solve involved problems in a whiteboarding session. It's just not how I work and despite a lot of effort I'm still really bad at it. the good places either 1) do 1-2hr take home, and/or 2) 1 hr pairing on a actual real problem coming up with a good interview pairing problem is hard though. it's gotta be realistic to not be dumb alg-trivia bullshit but doable in 30-60 mins. requirements clear enough that we don't play 100 questions for an hour but loose enough that a candidate can interpret it into multiple possible implementations instead of requiring that they come up with our exact solution. at $CURRENT_JOB we basically take a extremely stripped down version of one of our apps and get a candidate to implement it's core functionality.
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my cover letters are now (almost) literally "Hey, I have skills x,y, and z and your job posting seemed reasonable."
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I'm not certain anyone has read or taken even the remotest notice of any of my cover letters--not that I can tell besides anecdotally but more of my hits so far have been letter-free
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i wrote a cover letter for my first job out of grad school. i also sent nice thank you letters to my interviewers since then i'm 0/n on applications with cover letters tbh that's because the alternative is getting in from some kind of recruiter (maybe even with an internal referral), and that has a way higher success rate than just throwing a resume at the void and hoping that the company's process isn't a garbage fire (it is definitely a garbage fire)
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Dirk Pitt posted:Should engineering managers write code? No. EMs should have a solid understanding when other devs are talking about technical garbage, but their job is to help their devs be better devs. If they wanna scratch the itch and bang out some util or w/e occasionally go for it, but that is like their last responsibility. Dirk Pitt posted:What do you do when a fellow engineering manager at a company of 60 says they want to focus on ‘process development’ and engineering directorship when they are only 2 months at the company? that's kinda impossible to answer. Is your current process awesome and everyone is happy with it? do you deliver New Stuff with few bugs really fast? they might know your SDLC is garbage compared to a good shop, but they might also be a total self-serving wanker.
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Achmed Jones posted:i wrote a cover letter for my first job out of grad school. i also sent nice thank you letters to my interviewers even throwing resumes into the void I have had maybe 1 response ever to an application with a cover letter (customized, not generic, never sent a generic one) and like 6 or 7 to applications with just a resume. I kinda suspect they are actually harmful to your chances in tech because “lol what businessy idiot writes a cover letter” ofc that might also be due to my generally only bothering with a cover letter for more senior positions. but I applied to same company twice, once with a cover letter and got rejected w/no interview, applied again with just a resume and got the job I’m pretty sure I’m not just awful at writing either
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I only ever tried to write cover letters when I was doing a career change I don't think any of the recruiters I got ever read them
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just applied to a job at mozilla and felt bad about submitting without a cover letter, so ty for validating my choice when they reject me I'll be sure to secretly blame you all
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I wrote cover letters when I was looking for work after being a non-traditional student so I could talk about something other than computers on it, not that I can remember what it said anymore. It worked for my current job but again I'm pretty sure it's an outlier. I know for a fact that whenever a new position has opened where I am at work every resume, including the cover letter, is looked over because the devs/managers who go over them sit adjacent to my cube. I'm not planning to write a cover letter anymore.
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an engineering manager is also different from a team lead. if a team lead of 4-5 people does not actually understand the code his delegates are producing then that can be really bad imo. but it's probably safe for the person above the team lead to not have as active of a hand in the day-to-day software development part of things.
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Arcsech posted:I kinda suspect they are actually harmful to your chances in tech because “lol what businessy idiot writes a cover letter” CL's are a jouer-le-jou thing, there's nobody out there dumping on them like this, but occasionally your resume will land in some old-schoolers hands and not having one is a rejection. they're not hard to write, and you'll use the same info to regurgitate happy facts about the company at a later stage anyway you don't have to, but idk if you get to Not do it and simultaneously whine about not having a job v0v
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