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American Rushmore is such a challenge, since many of our most influential horror films were made by directors not considered horror directors. I don't think a rushmore with Spielberg, Friedkin, and De Palma is necessarily incorrect. Their few movies in the horror genre were massively influential and will be remembered more than their non-horror output. But then you have Craven and It also depends on how you care to group them. Stuart Gordon honestly deserves a place if you consider how much Re-Animator helped define horror tastes since the 80's. But Carpenter had been doing work since the 70's. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Feb 6, 2019 |
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De Palma to me didn't have enough of an influence on the genre to justify putting him with guys like Romero, Carpenter, and even Craven and Hooper(who I consider to be lesser than the first two guys). I see De Palma more as someone who was extremely skilled at taking elements of more iconic director's work and incorporating it into his own. But yea I think if you want to allow Hitchcock and Whale into the mix they have to be up there.
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Feb 6, 2019 17:36
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Franchescanado posted:American Rushmore is such a challenge, since many of our most influential horror films were made by directors not considered horror directors. Now I Just want a bunch of Cronenberg carved into the side of a mountain.
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Feb 6, 2019 17:37
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It’s clearly James Wan, Eli Roth, Flanagan, and Joss Whedon
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Feb 6, 2019 17:38
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Franchescanado posted:Cronenberg Canadian Horror Rushmore Cronenberg ? ? ?
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Feb 6, 2019 17:38
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I'd love to make an argument for Gordon, but honestly we're talking about just Re-Animator here(the others are really not well known) and Re-Animator certainly isn't on the same level as something like Texas Chainsaw Massacre in terms of impact and influence. You can make the argument that Hooper deserves to be there just based on the strength of that one film but I don't think Re-Animator is really in the same category, as much as I love it.
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Feb 6, 2019 17:39
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Basebf555 posted:De Palma to me didn't have enough of an influence on the genre to justify putting him with guys like Romero, Carpenter, and even Craven and Hooper(who I consider to be lesser than the first two guys). I see De Palma more as someone who was extremely skilled at taking elements of more iconic director's work and incorporating it into his own. Basebf555 posted:I'd love to make an argument for Gordon, but honestly we're talking about just Re-Animator here(the others are really not well known) and Re-Animator certainly isn't on the same level as something like Texas Chainsaw Massacre in terms of impact and influence. You can make the argument that Hooper deserves to be there just based on the strength of that one film but I don't think Re-Animator is really in the same category, as much as I love it. I honestly just have an issue with Raimi. I love The Evil Dead series and Drag Me To Hell, but I don't think four films from 1980 to now is as influential as, like, Craven and Carpenter. There's no way to prove it, but I'd say that Carrie alone is more ingrained in pop culture and American film history than the entire Evil Dead trilogy. I mean, it is Stephen King. Maybe it should just be Stephen King? He's technically a filmmaker.
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Feb 6, 2019 17:41
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Neo Rasa posted:Canadian Horror Rushmore The Soskas maybe? The Astron-6 boys? There's lots of good one-off Canadian horror directors (your Bob Clarks, etc) but not a ton of prolific ones. We get to claim Guillermo Del Toro since he lives here now, right?
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flashy_mcflash posted:The Soskas maybe? The Astron-6 boys? There's lots of good one-off Canadian horror directors (your Bob Clarks, etc) but not a ton of prolific ones. No, based on that criteria you could steal Romero from us.
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Feb 6, 2019 17:47
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Franchescanado posted:Maybe it should just be Stephen King? He's technically a filmmaker. If you want to talk generally about minds that have defined what American horror is, you could argue that King is #1, and I think it would be a pretty strong argument.
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Drunkboxer posted:No, based on that criteria you could steal Romero from us. That's exactly the criteria I was using 
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Feb 6, 2019 17:49
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Basebf555 posted:If you want to talk generally about minds that have defined what American horror is, you could argue that King is #1, and I think it would be a pretty strong argument. I’d have a hell of a time not putting Poe as number 1, but King is up there.
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Neo Rasa posted:Canadian Horror Rushmore loving James Cameron and Denis Villeneuve, for a start. And let's just slap Ivan Reitman on there for Ghostbusters. And that's just sticking to the anglos.
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Drunkboxer posted:I’d have a hell of a time not putting Poe as number 1, but King is up there. It's close, I'd probably side with Poe in the end just because his work speaks to me more than Kings does. But the sheer volume of material from King that has made it's way into the public consciousness through all sorts of different means is pretty insane.
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Lurdiak posted:loving James Cameron and Denis Villeneuve, for a start. And let's just slap Ivan Reitman on there for Ghostbusters. And that's just sticking to the anglos. Cameron’s only true horror movies are Piranha 2 and The Terminator. I’ll give you Aliens I guess, but I think that’s more of an action movie.
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I was thinking of people that have directed only, or mostly, horror (which excludes Cameron and Villeneuve). Relaxing that criteria, I gotta throw my man Guy Maddin in there for Keyhole, which scared the living poo poo out of me.
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Feb 6, 2019 17:57
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Roger Corman , John Carpenter , Wes Craven , George Romero. There that's America's Horror Rushmore
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Drunkboxer posted:Cameron’s only true horror movies are Piranha 2 and The Terminator. I’ll give you Aliens I guess, but I think that’s more of an action movie. That's still 2 incredibly important movies that have greatly influenced the horror genre. Like Fran said about American directors, it's difficult because a lot of the greats aren't really horror directors primarily. Carpenter is a good example, he made a bunch of weird action and comedy stuff, a lot of people still think of him as the Big Trouble in Little China guy. And Sam Raimi made 3 entries in one of the most important horror series ever, then no horror movies for a really long time, then a mediocre horror movie that is largely forgotten, and yet a lot of people will still think of him as a horror guy and not "The Spider-man guy".
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Lurdiak posted:That's still 2 incredibly important movies that have greatly influenced the horror genre. Like Fran said about American directors, it's difficult because a lot of the greats aren't really horror directors primarily. Carpenter is a good example, he made a bunch of weird action and comedy stuff, a lot of people still think of him as the Big Trouble in Little China guy. And Sam Raimi made 3 entries in one of the most important horror series ever, then no horror movies for a really long time, then a mediocre horror movie that is largely forgotten, and yet a lot of people will still think of him as a horror guy and not "The Spider-man guy". Yeah sure, I guess it’s more my personal perception of his work. It’s hard not to think of him as the insane rich submarine man who made Avatar and Titanic.
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Really the Canadian mountain should just be a 5 hundred foot screen with Jason X projected on it. That way you have the best canadian film of all time up there and still have Cronenberg represented.
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Feb 6, 2019 18:08
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All Canadian Rushmores by law, regardless of field, include the single most influential person in their field and then the members of Rush, so the fact that we can only think of Cronenberg is not a problem.
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Feb 6, 2019 18:08
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Rush is trash.
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Hollismason posted:Roger Corman , John Carpenter , Wes Craven , George Romero. Can't argue with the math.
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MacheteZombie posted:Rush is trash. Sorry I couldn’t hear you because I was listening to side 1 of 2112 over and over again in my underwear.
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Drunkboxer posted:Sorry I couldn’t hear you because I was listening to side 1 of 2112 over and over again in my underwear. In Canada that's called Sunday.
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Drunkboxer posted:Sorry I couldn’t hear you because I was listening to side 1 of 2112 over and over again in my underwear. 
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Drunkboxer posted:Sorry I couldn’t hear you because I was listening to side 1 of 2112 over and over again in my underwear. 
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Drunkboxer posted:Really the Canadian mountain should just be a 5 hundred foot screen with Jason X projected on it. That way you have the best canadian film of all time up there and still have Cronenberg represented. Hey now, Hobo With A Shotgun would like a word Also: 
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Drunkboxer posted:I’d have a hell of a time not putting Poe as number 1, but King is up there. Richard Matheson easily too is a contender. Think of how much he's written that even today is basically like 101 elevator pitch horror movie stories in the US. I would indeed put Poe as number one though. A little earlier and I don't think he'd be on my list, but Nathaniel Hawthorne wrote a few good horror short stories too. There's a really cathartic one regarding someone who abuses animals getting mega owned while he's admiring medieval torturing devices. Lurdiak posted:loving James Cameron and Denis Villeneuve, for a start. And let's just slap Ivan Reitman on there for Ghostbusters. And that's just sticking to the anglos. Denis Villeneuve a man known for incredible and influential horror films such as
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Basebf555 posted:When Italian horror is discussed, typically I assume we're talking the main Mount Rushmore guys, so Argento, Bava, and Fulci(we always debate who the fourth should be). And all three made films that are a lot looser in construction(in terms of plot) than the average American slasher that most of us grew up with. I never looked at it as a Mount Rushmore thing but more a Triumvirate trio so at the top it's Argento/Bava/Fulci with the bottom left being Lenzi/Fragasso/Mattei and the bottom right being Soavi/Martino/and haven't figured on a third yet. American horror's more the Mount Rushmore with Carpenter/Craven/Romero/Raimi/Castle/Corman.
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Child's Play trailer is being dropped a day early in front of The Prodigy on Thursday, so there's that if you plan on seeing The Prodigy
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Hollismason posted:Roger Corman , John Carpenter , Wes Craven , George Romero. You know what. Yes. Cormon not only directed a gently caress-ton of horror movies, he is herald to independent films and his studio birthed the careers of some of the greatest names in horror, like Dante and Demme.
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I love that Jordan Peele made a horror movie of that "trust nobody, not even yourself" meme
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I love that Jordan Peele made a horror movie of that "trust nobody, not even yourself" meme This October...watch out for...Hooded Kermit!
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I brought up Stephen King, not because of where he stands in horror literature or American literature, but specifically because he's directed one memorable horror film himself, and he has more horror films with his name attached to it than pretty much anyone else. If not for him, we wouldn't have some of the biggest horror films of all time, including Carrie, The Shining, Pet Sematary, Christine, etc. Like, sure, Poe is more influential to the history of American literature, but I'm pretty sure (without Google) that adaptations of his work pale in comparison to King's adaptations. King also has done a lot of work in regards to horror films specifically, with At The Movies, Bare Bones, Danse Macabre and the many reviews he's made that launched films into the spotlight, like The Evil Dead.
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Franchescanado posted:I brought up Stephen King, not because of where he stands in horror literature or American literature, but specifically because he's directed one memorable horror film himself, and he has more horror films with his name attached to it than pretty much anyone else. If not for him, we wouldn't have some of the biggest horror films of all time, including Carrie, The Shining, Pet Sematary, Christine, etc. I'm not sure that's actually true if we started adding it all up. Of course, Poe had a head start because King adaptations didn't start until the 70s.
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Basebf555 posted:I'm not sure that's actually true if we started adding it all up. Of course, Poe had a head start because King adaptations didn't start until the 70s. It’s a hard thing to figure out. Wikipedia lists the least 57 direct Poe adaptations, and if we consider King’s Dollar Babies as qualified adaptations, then it’s not even close. If we remove those, then it’s a much closer race. Poe could possibly have more based on Black Cat adaptations alone. It’s a flawed premise for a debate, though. I started thinking about King’s influence, and went down that rabbit hole.
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Also, Poe movies, especially the Corman variety, have a habit of adapting more than one at a single time, often just using the title of one and the content of another. Like, do you count that as one adaptation of multiple stories or multiple adaptations in one movie?
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K. Waste posted:Also, Poe movies, especially the Corman variety, have a habit of adapting more than one at a single time, often just using the title of one and the content of another. Like, do you count that as one adaptation of multiple stories or multiple adaptations in one movie? Same question, but with anthology films. Does King get bonus points for having written several original horror films like Storm of the Century and Creepshow? Or is it unfair advantage because Poe never had the opportunity to engage the format we're discussing?
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