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TexMexFoodbaby posted:Of all the reasons to hate about Ulysses this is the weirdest. All the men are slaves just as much as the women. This is categorically false. The men are not raped, depersoned, and bred as chattel, and it's honestly a hell of a lot weirder to me that the fandom seems to cling to it being basically the same thing. It's really not.
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TexMexFoodbaby posted:Of all the reasons to hate about Ulysses this is the weirdest. All the men are slaves just as much as the women. Lol are you autistic or something
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Old Boot posted:This is categorically false. The men are not raped, depersoned, and bred as chattel, and it's honestly a hell of a lot weirder to me that the fandom seems to cling to it being basically the same thing. It's really not. Yea, they are depersoned and bred as cannon fodder. People should really understand the difference.
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Okay, actually home at the computer so going to respond in a way that's less one-linery.Arcsquad12 posted:The Legion broke Ulysses, and he'd been living in denial of that fact for years until the White Legs tried to "honour" him by adopting his Twisted Hairs braiding and it all came rushing back to him. I seem to recall vague bits and pieces about this, but I'll admit it's pretty foggy. TexMexFoodbaby posted:He probably realized their hypocrisy early on which is why he pushed to become a frumentari. I could understand this point if we got the original Ulysses where he was “the legion mouthpiece” but if you’re gonna blame that on him might as well blame the pc for leaving Caesar alive when you meet him the first time. There’s plenty of reasons to hate him but this one rings a little hollow. One doesn't 'push' to become a Frumentarii, if Caesar's commentary is in any way a good example. To me, it sounded like he hand-picked the most talented of the lot, and the most ruthless. As for blaming the PC for leaving Caesar alive, holy hell, there is a world of difference between carrying out Caesar's agenda remotely because you're brainwashed to do so, and not attacking a warlord in the middle of his own camp. Frumentarii also act with autonomy, go 'deep cover' so as not to draw suspicion (re: Curtis), which means adopting profligate ways of living and adapting. If the example you used had was plausible, then Ulysses would have cut and run a long time before he reported back to Caesar that Hoover Dam was a thing. He arguably had a few chances to go his own way. Yes, it takes a while to shake off the brainwashing, but you're taking a very 'moral relativism' view of it, which is still a bullshit view of philosophy (and one of the few cases where Godwin's Law ceases to apply). More importantly, two things: I said 'moderately annoyed by.' Maybe you were thrown off by the language, but 'hate' is a strong word. I found it annoying to listen to a former Legionary talk poo poo without being able to call him out, and feel that simply saying 'I had a change of heart' doesn't really excuse spreading cultural genocide, or subscribing to a faction that runs off the backs of chattel slaves. Like it or not, women are the subjugated 'class' in the Legion, which I'd imagine is deliberate on Caesar's part, re: it's the main reason why a Legionary wouldn't view himself as a slave-- because there's always someone 'less than' them that they can point to in the form of a thing that is no longer a human being, but rather, is straight-up property that can be used and abused as the owner sees fit. SeanBeansShako posted:Still better than most characters you'll encounter in Fallout 3. Goddamn. No argument here. TBH, I was primarily venting about an avenue of conversation that was absent/I felt was lacking when playing through the game. It felt like being unnecessarily polite when your courier, or you the player, might have some very strong views about their new travel guide. So, that should be the takeaway. Not that I 'hate' the character, even if I arguably hate what he stood for and more than likely did in the name of his prior allegiance. Failure to accept his own past as something to own up to was a failing, and it's a shame it wasn't properly addressed. Old Boot fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Feb 5, 2019 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Centurions also keep boy slaves as their lovers realizing why that one Centurion had a locked box full of toys, teddy bears and a comic book was a pretty  moment
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I actually finally started a Legion run for the first time, using Roleplayer’s Alternative Start to roleplay as a Frumentarius trying to arrange everything behind the scenes so the Legion is as powerful as possible. My first act was to disguise myself by killing a house of Novac residents with a machete to steal their clothes and buy a motel room as a base.
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"So yeah like we're like totally vampires." "HEY I AM FROM A GOOD FALLOUT GAME BOY HOWDY! REFERENCES! KILL ME HAHA" "Welp, you own my contract now time to murder everything!" "I CAN'T DO THAT, IT IS YOUR DESTINY!" "gently caress the president but I am still going to murder you because I don't like you!" Man, Fallout 3 is really not worth going back for anything more than murdering and eating the whole cast these days.
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A Tale of Two Wastelands is really good at making you realize how annoying it is to have to fight raiders or dogs or bears or deathclaws every 30 feet in search of more quests with dialog options amounting to "I'm the savior of everyone", "I'm neutral pay me", and "I'm evil"
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chitoryu12 posted:I actually finally started a Legion run for the first time, using Roleplayer’s Alternative Start to roleplay as a Frumentarius trying to arrange everything behind the scenes so the Legion is as powerful as possible. Jeanie May: *This Legion infiltrator could have just made contact with me, what an rear end in a top hat. I could have sold those people as slaves.*
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Fallout 3 was more annoying to get around and just plain harder to find anything. All the important locations are just scattered around at random with no relation to the area immediately surrounding them. In New Vegas you can find a bunch of poo poo just by following roads and paths, but in FO3 roads bear no relation to settlements and most of the landscape is just the same grey/green slurry. I literally was picking a direction to walk in a straight line, and went like an hour without hitting anything. I also never found Dogmeat despite a bunch of wandering around DC. I hated a lot of the npcs and quests, but I can't complain as hard about that because it was so hard to find any of them. I did like the one necronomicon building at least. Ulysses trained up a tribe to respect him just to send them off on a mission of extermination mostly for laughs, and then you find audio logs where he's jackin' off about how they'd never be good enough to join the legion.
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Old Boot posted:One doesn't 'push' to become a Frumentarii, if Caesar's commentary is in any way a good example. To me, it sounded like he hand-picked the most talented of the lot, and the most ruthless. As for blaming the PC for leaving Caesar alive, holy hell, there is a world of difference between carrying out Caesar's agenda remotely because you're brainwashed to do so, and not attacking a warlord in the middle of his own camp. Frumentarii also act with autonomy, go 'deep cover' so as not to draw suspicion (re: Curtis), which means adopting profligate ways of living and adapting. If the example you used had was plausible, then Ulysses would have cut and run a long time before he reported back to Caesar that Hoover Dam was a thing. He arguably had a few chances to go his own way. I mean the thing is i don't even disagree with you. I misread or flat out misunderstood your issues. I think you're right in that Ulysses is using the guilt he felt from being in Caesar's Legion to create a false narrative to project onto the Courier. It's clear that he went nuts after seeing the White Legs co-opt his tribe's braids without understanding their meaning. He couldn't handle the fact that he was part of a campaign of cultural genocide so he used Hopeville and the Courier as stand-ins. The Courier had unknowingly wiped a place of promise off the map. Much like what Ulysses was doing until he realized his mistake with the White Legs. So he concocted a narrative that would place him as the underdog while the Courier would be the big bad who obviously knew the damage he was doing. The difference is that we had no clue until it was right in our face, like Ulysses. In essence the whole of Ulysses's game is to punish himself without wanting to work towards fixing his mistakes. Now that being said. The buzzword of moral relativism is a lame assessment. The men are still slaves who either fight or die along with their culture. Men are literally decimated just because they were under performing. Fact remains it's just a different holding pen. Seems like the Legion is all bad to me. Nothing relative about that. Caesar's Legion is horrifying because it grooms the victims into becoming perpetrators of violence without them even realizing it. That's the whole crux of Ulysses's character. popewiles posted:Lol are you autistic or something wow cool victim blaming guy
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It's the difference between slaves, the chattel subhumans who can be raped and beaten on a regular basis and slaves, like the Janissaries, who carried a lot of political power and perks despite technically being disallowed from changing jobs or any sort of self-determination. Caesar rules by force, but that force springs from loyal followers that keep the rest of the legion in line.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's the difference between slaves, the chattel subhumans who can be raped and beaten on a regular basis and slaves, like the Janissaries, who carried a lot of political power and perks despite technically being disallowed from changing jobs or any sort of self-determination. Yeah you're right. The only "system" in Caesar's Legion is Caesar, the Legionaries, and then the slaves. The Legionaries even have some sort of upwards momentum. Giving them more autonomy than the slaves. I'll take the L on this one. Edit: vv yep I truly need it explained to me in the simplest terms possible sometimes. TexMexFoodbaby fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Feb 5, 2019 |
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TexMexFoodbaby posted:Yeah you're right. The only "system" in Caesar's Legion is Caesar, the Legionaries, and then the slaves. The Legionaries even have some sort of upwards momentum. Giving them more autonomy than the slaves. I'll take the L on this one. Because this point needs to be driven home with a very big hammer: Just because person A and person B are both slaves to person C, doesn't mean that any power differential between A and B is forgiven or non-existent. While men in the legion may be slaves to Caesar, women and children in the legion are slaves to Caesar and the men in the legion.
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I don't know if it got posted here or elsewhere, but a tale of two wastelands got a big patch a couple months ago if you're looking for an excuse to get back into FNV and FO3. I guess they spent the last 3 years rebuilding the whole thing based on what they learned when they built it the first time. Seems a lot less crash happy now. I'm gonna try a big marathon run and see if I can stay engaged with it.
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Balance is still arse in the F3 side of things. They refuse to do anything to tone down bullet spongers but took the time to ensure the Hunting Rifles in both games are both different. They claim it can be solved by using the hardier ammo which is sold in small handfuls through the capital wasteland. And half the mods that add some visual variety to the F3 side are still broken too.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Man, Fallout 3 is really not worth going back for anything more than murdering and eating the whole cast these days. My last playthrough, circa 2012, I followed Dad the entire way back to Rivet City without fast traveling. It was more entertaining than it should have been. Welp, that's my Fallout 3 story.
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Okay so I've downloaded and reinstalled this. Whats the go to mods I should install now a days?
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Get CASM, the stutter remover and the anti-crash one before you start with the mods seriously for the love of god.
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kingcom posted:Okay so I've downloaded and reinstalled this. Whats the go to mods I should install now a days? Mod thread has the most comprehensive list.
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For the stutter remover you can't use the default .in settings on Windows 10 anymore but there's updated settings on the mod posts page.
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Uninstalling CASM solved most of my crash issues.
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Oh yeah, I don't use CASM I use another mod like it instead.
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Orange Crush Rush posted:realizing why that one Centurion had a locked box full of toys, teddy bears and a comic book was a pretty which centurion is that? i never caught that before..
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Giga Gaia posted:which centurion is that? i never caught that before.. Aurelius of Phoenix stationed in Cottenwood Cove. He usually stays inside the Cove HQ. He also has cigarette packs and beer bottles in his room too, despite the whole Legion ban on items like that, so either dev oversite or speaking of his character and bending/breaking of some Legion rules.
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Oh and another issue with the current ATTW build is that the new station they set up in the capital ruins for some reason always has constantly spawning muties. That scale to your level. And a scripted enclave vertibird team also scaling to your level. That spawn in both the exterior and interior station lobby. Enjoy fighting those guys going back and forth between games. Every. loving. Time.
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kingcom posted:Okay so I've downloaded and reinstalled this. Whats the go to mods I should install now a days? If anything, get Fallout Character Overhaul. It gives all the major characters and a good portion of the generic NPC's amazing looking head models/textures. There's tons of guides out there for graphic overhauls too, but in short; get NMC's textures and install Ojo Bueno on top of it. As for mods that actually add great content to the game: Get Willow as a companion and make Novac your home. The New Bison Steve mod allows you to rebuild the Bison Steve hotel, get it up and running and make a tidy profit from the casino once it's fully restored. Less Empty Primm goes nicely along side it and turns Primm into a proper settlement. Autumn Leaves is a great quest mod that focuses on puzzle and riddle solving that takes place entirely in a vault just outside of Novac. Oh, and get F4QuickLoot. It gives you the quickloot system from Fallout 4 in New Vegas and it works like a loving charm.
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UED Special Ops posted:Aurelius of Phoenix stationed in Cottenwood Cove. He usually stays inside the Cove HQ. He also has cigarette packs and beer bottles in his room too, despite the whole Legion ban on items like that, so either dev oversite or speaking of his character and bending/breaking of some Legion rules. I just went and looked at that, teddy bear, toy cars, comic books, weird meat hook by his bed. I'm never gonna be able to do a legion run. edit: incidentally, what started as wanting to look at this very quickly evolved into a god mode mini nuke 30 minute murder spree and i highly recommend everyone partake at some point. Giga Gaia fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Feb 7, 2019 |
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Giga Gaia posted:I just went and looked at that, teddy bear, toy cars, comic books, weird meat hook by his bed. I'm never gonna be able to do a legion run. Hopefully you freed the enslaved family first, or at least avoided them during your cleansing of the Legion there.
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Willow is cringey as gently caress, don't get the Willow mod. EDIT: by which I mean she's a purestrain waifu mod. VVV you rear end. you absolute fucker. now it's in my search history. VVV Old Boot fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Feb 7, 2019 |
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i use jsawyer and the anti-stutter mod and that's it. willow reminds me of the saerileth mod for baldur's gate 2, which you all should look up if you've never seen it.
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Old Boot posted:Willow is cringey as gently caress, don't get the Willow mod. If you've got the Signature Weapons and/or Armour mod, she is the only way you can bring your siggies into Dead Money (and maybe Honest Hearts too, if you've somehow got a shitload of other stuff you want to bring). Just park her somewhere you won't ever go again, and you're golden.
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CommissarMega posted:If you've got the Signature Weapons and/or Armour mod, she is the only way you can bring your siggies into Dead Money (and maybe Honest Hearts too, if you've somehow got a shitload of other stuff you want to bring). Just park her somewhere you won't ever go again, and you're golden. I could've sworn there were other mods for that.
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I use jsawyer and also name my character jsawyer to own the libs
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UED Special Ops posted:Hopefully you freed the enslaved family first, or at least avoided them during your cleansing of the Legion there. does it make a difference if i felt really guilty when i remembered they were there?
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Old Boot posted:I could've sworn there were other mods for that. The robco robots mod works.
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