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AlBorlantern Corps posted:The second Benny episode with him in a mental ward was a mistake
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Here's a super unpopular opinion: I hate far beyond the stars. Any episode that's "what if it's fake" is loving poo poo and they all had at least ONE at that time. Even Buffy! Plus it felt a bit like the Vic episodes - wasting this week's episode on something fake.
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Feb 14, 2019 00:17
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It isn’t fake though, it’s real.
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Feb 14, 2019 00:26
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Taear posted:Here's a super unpopular opinion: I hate far beyond the stars. I completely agree but ppl here know that and I see no need to fight that one again at least on my end.
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Feb 14, 2019 00:26
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Taear posted:Here's a super unpopular opinion: I hate far beyond the stars. I agree.
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Feb 14, 2019 00:29
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What if it's fake isn't even the point. It's an episode about racism and about sci fi and a chance to see everyone be cool together without their makeup Also It's fun you chodes
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Feb 14, 2019 00:30
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Taear posted:Here's a super unpopular opinion: I hate far beyond the stars. Don't you understand? It's real.
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Feb 14, 2019 00:31
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The episode was good because it pissed off a lot of racist white nerds who didn't want to watch an explicitly anti-racist episode dealing with black history and experience.
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Feb 14, 2019 00:32
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Yeah, I always thought the "Is this real or just a dream?" bit was just window dressing. DS9 wanted to do an episode about black history and racism, so pay lip service to the plot device and move along. No different from Past Tense or Badda-Bing Badda-Bing. Even if it was nominally 'fake,' the experience was real. Remember that Sisko's baseball was from a fantasy come to life. Just a race of alien explorers passing through who passively make people's fantasies and dreams come to life, and they leave Sisko a baseball. Who are they? Where did they come from? Where did they go? Who knows.
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Feb 14, 2019 00:38
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They should have just gone back to real earth in real the past and dealt with a real black science fiction author and then we wouldn't have the twee poo poo
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Feb 14, 2019 00:41
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Pick posted:They should have just gone back to real earth in real the past and dealt with a real black science fiction author and then we wouldn't have the twee poo poo Every author in that episode was very blatantly a stand-in for a real sci-fi author from the period.
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Feb 14, 2019 00:43
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Pick posted:They should have just gone back to real earth in real the past and dealt with a real black science fiction author and then we wouldn't have the twee poo poo Because what people want is an episode in which the main cast don't ever appear.
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Feb 14, 2019 00:51
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Because what people want is an episode in which the main cast don't ever appear. "they" go back as in members of the cast. they go back. they as in, for example, "commander sisko"
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Feb 14, 2019 00:55
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If you watched Far Beyond the Stars and thought “Argh, I hate ‘ is it all a dream?’ episodes!” I’m sorry to say that you fundamentally do not know how to watch television.
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Feb 14, 2019 00:57
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Pick posted:"they" go back as in members of the cast. they go back. they as in, for example, "commander sisko" This would just dilute the message of the episode, if anything.
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Feb 14, 2019 00:58
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Big Mean Jerk posted:This would just dilute the message of the episode, if anything. I don't care. I think the framing is poor, flimsy, and cutesy.
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Feb 14, 2019 01:03
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I'm not trying to antagonize, but exactly what part of FBtS qualifies as "cutesy"? 
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Feb 14, 2019 01:05
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Benny-chan wa kawaii~
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Feb 14, 2019 01:06
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Baronjutter posted:The episode was good because it pissed off a lot of racist white nerds who didn't want to watch an explicitly anti-racist episode dealing with black history and experience. It's very specifically an American black history and experience episode and while it's an important story to tell it really took 14 year old me out of the action and into the "oh." part of it. Kibayasu posted:If you watched Far Beyond the Stars and thought “Argh, I hate ‘ is it all a dream?’ episodes!” I’m sorry to say that you fundamentally do not know how to watch television. But that's what it is. It's about the black experience and how it's important to have a black captain but it's STILL an "is it all a dream" episode.
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Feb 14, 2019 01:08
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I'm not trying to antagonize, but exactly what part of FBtS qualifies as "cutesy"? 
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Feb 14, 2019 01:09
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Taear posted:But that's what it is. It's about the black experience and how it's important to have a black captain but it's STILL an "is it all a dream" episode. It really isn’t. It definitely teases aspects of that kind of episode, the least of which is that it mostly is a dream, but by the end of the episode it is not about deciding whether Star Trek is Star Trek or just the imagination of a black writer from the 50’s. “You are the dream, and the dreamer” is referring to more than just what happens in the episode.
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Feb 14, 2019 01:47
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Man, I forgot what a GIANT step up season 3 of TNG is over the first two.
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Feb 14, 2019 02:08
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Kibayasu posted:It really isn’t. It definitely teases aspects of that kind of episode, the least of which is that it mostly is a dream, but by the end of the episode it is not about deciding whether Star Trek is Star Trek or just the imagination of a black writer from the 50’s. “You are the dream, and the dreamer” is referring to more than just what happens in the episode. It works on multiple levels too, because the advice that Benny's given to try to save his story is to write a coda saying it's just a dream.
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Feb 14, 2019 02:13
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Taear posted:Here's a super unpopular opinion: I hate far beyond the stars. I bet you hate Frame of Mind too
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Feb 14, 2019 02:21
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Because what people want is an episode in which the main cast don't ever appear. I suppose they could have done it like 11:59 or Carbon Creek, where one character describes something that happened to an ancestor that happened to look exactly like them... but then you'd end up with an episode on the level of 11:59 or Carbon Creek.
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Feb 14, 2019 02:58
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https://news.avclub.com/nickelodeon-is-making-a-new-star-trek-animated-series-f-1832608213 Nickelodeon's making a cartoon
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Feb 14, 2019 03:01
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Powered Descent posted:I suppose they could have done it like 11:59 or Carbon Creek, where one character describes something that happened to an ancestor that happened to look exactly like them... but then you'd end up with an episode on the level of 11:59 or Carbon Creek. Aw, I like Carbon Creek, mostly due to the "oh, she's just been loving with Trip this whole time" implication.
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Feb 14, 2019 03:03
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Aw, I like Carbon Creek, mostly due to the "oh, she's just been loving with Trip this whole time" implication. T’Pol’s a sarcastic and lovable dick, underneath that
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Feb 14, 2019 03:09
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God bless Vic Fontaine.
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can't believe Pick got prob'd for saying Far Beyond the Stars is bad, harsh but fair.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:https://news.avclub.com/nickelodeon-is-making-a-new-star-trek-animated-series-f-1832608213 The first Trek I ever saw was TAS on Nickelodeon, so this completes the circle.
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Feb 14, 2019 05:53
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Powered Descent posted:I suppose they could have done it like 11:59 or Carbon Creek, where one character describes something that happened to an ancestor that happened to look exactly like them... but then you'd end up with an episode on the level of 11:59 or Carbon Creek. I don't understand because Carbon Creek was good.
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Feb 14, 2019 05:59
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Kibayasu posted:If you watched Far Beyond the Stars and thought “Argh, I hate ‘ is it all a dream?’ episodes!” I’m sorry to say that you fundamentally do not know how to watch television. this, yeah
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Feb 14, 2019 06:47
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I still say the canon ending for Sisko should be everyone thinks he's missing, but he's been retired anonymously to the Bajor countryside with Kasidy and their baby the whole time.
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Feb 14, 2019 08:27
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but why was mirror Vic a human and not a hologram that was dumb
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Feb 14, 2019 08:39
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What the hell is up with "Dear Doctor"? Did Archer and Plox just commit genocide?
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Feb 14, 2019 08:41
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They ensured the genetically superior would prevail over the untermensch, as evolution demands!
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Miss posted:but why was mirror Vic a human and not a hologram that was dumb Normal Vic is a hologram modeled on a real singer and Mirror Vic is that universe’s version of that singer, who lives on DS9 for some reason. Boom, solved. Star Trek plot holes/inconsistencies are easy to fix.
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