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Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

I'm going to make $69k this coming year unless I were to yotj

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Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


losing 11 days of pto + wfh for 20k (minus whatever your new lovely bennies cost you) is not good

also lmao banks

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


The_Franz posted:

as if the "spend half a work-day on our test and maybe we'll talk" thing wasn't a huge red flag to begin with

one of my two currentlyt remaining leads had me do this

i won't complain about a mildly interesting brain stretch at least. hopefully it meets whatever definition of quality they're running on

Jort Fortress
Mar 3, 2005

Ok, I politely told Schwabcruiter to piss off. thank u, yospos

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


The_Franz posted:

as if the "spend half a work-day on our test and maybe we'll talk" thing wasn't a huge red flag to begin with

That's not a red flag

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

qhat posted:

That's not a red flag

maybe not when you are deep into the interview process

a 4 hour test before anyone will have a quick chat with you over the phone about the company and position, which may very well have you wishing that you didn't waste your time, is not

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


The_Franz posted:

maybe not when you are deep into the interview process

a 4 hour test before anyone will have a quick chat with you over the phone about the company and position, which may very well have you wishing that you didn't waste your time, is not

Oh well yeah, I'd definitely want to have spoken to an engineer or hiring manager before that.

cheque_some
Dec 6, 2006
The Wizard of Menlo Park
are there any big/household name tech companies that meet these three requirements:

1) pays well
2) located in a major urban center
3) not evil


like, you've got

Apple
Pay: Pretty good, I hear
Evil level: Mild -- privacy advocation, but also love to replace industry standard stuff with proprietary junk
Location: More like Cuperti-no. Or I guess now unincorporated Travis County or something

Amazon
Pay: Pretty solid, although I hear the stock grants are kinda handcuff-y
Evil level: Moderate. -- Dying fulfillment workers and putting lots of people out of a job and companies out of business.
Location: Seattle, or New York City

Facebook
Pay: Pretty great from what I hear
Evil level: High. Harvesting your recovery phone number for advertising purposes, scraping address books to build shadow profiles on every person alive, shady marketing, the list goes on.
Location: Silicon Valley (Palo Alto?), but at least they have a big office in New York

Google
Pay: Pretty good.
Evil level: Moderate. Tracking location info even if you turn it off. Basically an ad company.
Location: Mountain View is lame, but at least their second largest office is in NYC.

Microsoft
Pay: Good, I think?
Evil level: Mild. Less monopoly stuff these days, probably the only big company advocating for more oversight of AI. Windows Server licensing is still annoying, I guess.
Location: Redmond? I am not aware of them having any big offices outside this, just lots of tiny sales offices all over.


Maybe Dropbox? I hear they pay well, and have offices in SF/NY. But I'm not clear how they make money when they're competing with Apple/Microsoft/Google, who are largely just bundling storage with their products.

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



LinkedIn pays well and has offices in SF and sunnyvale

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



also google has offices pretty much all over, like YouTube is in San Bruno or smth, they have SF and LA offices all over etc

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

cheque_some posted:

are there any big/household name tech companies that meet these three requirements:

1) pays well
2) located in a major urban center
3) not evil



I was going to say Netflix but they don't meet 2. They knock it out of the park in 1 and I guess 3 by only being evil by being capitalists unless they have some other poo poo going on.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


lol at qualifying apple's proprietary hardware as evil in the same list as the likes of facebook

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder
i think apple and amazon's labor practices put them at about the same level of evil as facebook. facebook is evil to its users, apple/amazon are evil to non-corporate workers.

Fiedler
Jun 29, 2002

I, for one, welcome our new mouse overlords.
huh. looks like the only ethical choice left is microsoft.

how bad can the commute from seattle to redmond really be, anyway?

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder
microsoft really does appear to be the least evil at this point lol

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





apple would be just as evil as google/fb if they could figure out how to get a piece of the advertising pie. ms too for that matter

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder
sure but you can say that of really any for profit company

Fiedler
Jun 29, 2002

I, for one, welcome our new mouse overlords.

the talent deficit posted:

apple would be just as evil as google/fb if they could figure out how to get a piece of the advertising pie. ms too for that matter

*hearing this, microsoft casually attempts to hide $2,000,000,000 in quarterly search advertising revenue behind its back*

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Fiedler posted:

*hearing this, microsoft casually attempts to hide $2,000,000,000 in quarterly search advertising revenue behind its back*

microsoft does ok at search advertising but their display advertising revenue is like, lemonade stand money

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
search advertising doesn't really require any "evil" since everything you wanted to know about the ad target is in the search term

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Microsoft is good because they actually produce some products that don't require wholesale harvesting of the end user's pornography habits.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

cheque_some posted:

Microsoft
Pay: Good, I think?
Evil level: Mild. Less monopoly stuff these days, probably the only big company advocating for more oversight of AI. Windows Server licensing is still annoying, I guess.
Location: Redmond? I am not aware of them having any big offices outside this, just lots of tiny sales offices all over.

microsoft's biggest sin was that they squeezed white people for money

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

cheque_some posted:

are there any big/household name tech companies that meet these three requirements:

1) pays well
2) located in a major urban center
3) not evil

why the gently caress do you care about working for a ~household name~ tech company anyway?

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

why the gently caress do you care about working for a ~household name~ tech company anyway?

that's how you get paid

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Counter point: a small unknown company has the potential for becoming a crony of the CEO

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

that's how you get paid

then why the gently caress specify "pays well" if that criteria can only be satisfied by a ~household name~ anyway??


gently caress, it's a useless loving question anyway, anyone in a major urban center that's "paying well" is evil anyway

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

qhat posted:

Counter point: a small unknown company has the potential for becoming a crony of the CEO

that sounds suspiciously like valuing not having to bust rear end quite as hard over absolute maximization of income and that simply won't fly with resident ultra-mercenary NBSD here

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

that sounds suspiciously like valuing not having to bust rear end quite as hard over absolute maximization of income and that simply won't fly with resident ultra-mercenary NBSD here

Lol if being a crony of your CEO doesn't result in complete maximization of your compensation

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
Milwaukee’s Worst MSP decided to let me go after two months so, if anyone in the Milwaukee area is looking for a marginally competent server bitch/NOC Jock, “slide into my DMs” (as the kids say these days).

:sigh:

I think they caught me looking for jobs on the clock so I can’t be too pissed of, tbh?

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
How do people handle booking time off for interviewing?
super annoying when work want notice in advance, prospective companies gotta pull a bunch of people together , booking random days off in the middle of the week is weird, recruiters seem totally incapable of relaying the availability they asked me for

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


"Hey, we found your resume on Dice, the position is in <LOCATION>"

<LOCATION> is not one of the places on Dice I said I'm open to relocating to, naturally.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


gonadic io posted:

How do people handle booking time off for interviewing?
super annoying when work want notice in advance, prospective companies gotta pull a bunch of people together , booking random days off in the middle of the week is weird, recruiters seem totally incapable of relaying the availability they asked me for

doctors appointment

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008

gonadic io posted:

How do people handle booking time off for interviewing?
super annoying when work want notice in advance, prospective companies gotta pull a bunch of people together , booking random days off in the middle of the week is weird, recruiters seem totally incapable of relaying the availability they asked me for

my former coworker always just went with “I have a dermatologist appointment” and nobody wants to ask about your third dermatologist appointment in two weeks

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
lol if amazon is not top of your faang evil ratings

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

big scary monsters posted:

lol if amazon is not top of your faang evil ratings

Oracle is always top, the others scramble around for second

Chinese BAT firms are also respectably evil

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


gonadic io posted:

How do people handle booking time off for interviewing?
super annoying when work want notice in advance, prospective companies gotta pull a bunch of people together , booking random days off in the middle of the week is weird, recruiters seem totally incapable of relaying the availability they asked me for

not feeling well see you guys tomorrow

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

gonadic io posted:

How do people handle booking time off for interviewing?
super annoying when work want notice in advance, prospective companies gotta pull a bunch of people together , booking random days off in the middle of the week is weird, recruiters seem totally incapable of relaying the availability they asked me for

I schedule a doctor's appointment then get fired for it two weeks later (two days after the place PFO's me).

:dawkins101:

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice
i got drunk and bitched to my boss that i felt underpaid and that i wasn’t learning anything in my role. he said “well you’re not wrong” and texted me a job lead the next day with a guy he knows.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


bob dobbs is dead posted:

Oracle is always top, the others scramble around for second

Chinese BAT firms are also respectably evil

oracle is still definitely on top but facebook is really angling to unseat them. i still hand it to oracle just because they've been around so much longer

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PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


raminasi posted:

i got drunk and bitched to my boss that i felt underpaid and that i wasn’t learning anything in my role. he said “well you’re not wrong” and texted me a job lead the next day with a guy he knows.

drat that's.... hmmm

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