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Randaconda posted:Or just send Hulk home. You're still paying him, but at least he isn't loving up the shows, too. I guess. I have a feeling he would insist on showing up during high rating periods and beating top guys though. Maybe I just give him a vanity title and let him wrestle Old guys for it unattached to everything else. Mix some Kevin Sullivan style Hogan booking with the new Galaxy title. It's bigger than the World see, so it's more important. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Feb 22, 2019 |
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Aye Doc posted:and since you are Vince Russo, you absolutely need to fire yourself Randaconda posted:Or just send Hulk home. You're still paying him, but at least he isn't loving up the shows, too.
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Lotta just going "Oh yeah it's very easy to write a 3 hour wrestling show every week".
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If WCW had somehow stayed alive for two or so more years who do you think they would have gotten and how far in the company would they have made it? Do they build up to a Brock/Steiner main event match?
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Lesnar was already under WWE contract when WCW died. WCW would have probably looked a lot like 2010 TNA, just with different faces.
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NienNunb posted:If WCW had somehow stayed alive for two or so more years who do you think they would have gotten and how far in the company would they have made it? Do they build up to a Brock/Steiner main event match? they push Bob "the Beast" Sapp to the moon, and he and Steiner have a 5 star classic at the Georgia Dome for the belt
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Would a still alive WCW have used Okada better or worse than TNA? Edit: I'd have released Hogan and Nash cause Vince would of signed them and it would of 100% lead to the hot Austin/Rock feud falling apart cause Hogan SatoshiMiwa fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Feb 22, 2019 |
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Lotta just going "Oh yeah it's very easy to write a 3 hour wrestling show every week". Well, yeah, maybe, but it certainly didn't have to be as hard as they made it.
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It really depends on who ends up with the book. I think someone like Sullivan would have used Okada as a midcard act and maybe a token US Champion reign. Nash would have buried him.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Lesnar was already under WWE contract when WCW died. I keep wondering how different history would have been if New Japan won the bidding war for Lesnar in 2000.
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Halloween Jack posted:You are a spirit that has possessed Vince Russo's body. If you succeed, you will be given the body of the wrestler of your choice. If you fail, you will move on to possess a random Mulkey Brother. "Well it's a good thing too cause no one else has the Spauldings to save WCW! Now let me tell you about my 14 part match concept I call Strippers In Thongs On A Forklift With A Pole Attached And Both Wrestlers In Straightjackets With GWAR Performing In The Ring."
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If that Douglas thing about Hall and Nash is true then lol. Just read a 99 observer where both say they hate him in a radio interview and would try to make sure he would never make it to WCW. I assume they did the "haha just working dude" they did with everyone and he bought it or just pretended to. Nash seemed really good at loving folks over and then playing the good guy. But his body was just done by the end of 98. Douglas' body fell apart just when he got that WCW contract. He didn't need to work that rough, 99% of the fans just watched Francine during his matches anyway.
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WCW was very appealing to Shane Douglas because A) Vince Russo was booking and he liked pushing less well known wrestlers over veterans, and B) Paul Heyman owed him a poo poo ton of money and Turner Broadcasting never bounces checks Even if he thought Hall and Nash would bury him, it wouldn't matter because Russo would book him, and he's still getting paid
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Are we talking about the exact moment when Nitro and WCW went downhill? I pin it on the famous episode of Nitro with no wrestling in the first hour. Or as it should be called "the famous episode of Nitro with no wrestling in the first hour, most of the main event scene flipping their Heel/Face alignment and months of storylines getting thrown out" That was the moment when you're in the hotel with Nitro and it just collapses in the hallway and you have to call 911.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Lotta just going "Oh yeah it's very easy to write a 3 hour wrestling show every week". Cool. Cool. I get it. But people don't get to make millions doing that job for very long if they're expected to be able to make that shot, and can't, and they certainly don't do interviews after falling on their face trying to make that shot and explain how hard it is. We know it's hard. It's why you were paid a lot of money to do it. And as annoying as it is listening to fans say "I could make that shot" when they absolutely couldn't, when somebody isn't being that person claiming they could do better and is just holding somebody to the standard of "maybe you should actually be decent at your job," and you respond "well you couldn't do any better?" Yeah. I know. I was never paid millions to write three hours of TV every week.
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Eric kinda showed he was just a one trick pony that caught lightning in a bottle with the NWO era, and too much politicking and creative control ensured that the guys that made the NWO happen were going to make sure they were the only ones at the top of the card. Souled Out 99 happened in West Virginia and I hadn't watched the Nitro it happened, my dad had made a bunch of Wolfpac signs for me, I'd gotten some red and black chuck taylors and a Wolfpac shirt, and he had to break the news to me about their heel turn the next day because my bedtime was a very firm 9pm with no TV starting at 8:30. I was so upset but I was also a fan of Goldberg at the time so we made some last minute shopping for a Goldberg shirt and he made me a new sign "1-0: The streak starts HERE" It wasn't really much longer after that I'd stopped watching WCW entirely and eventually WWE too (I missed the entire Invasion era and WM17)
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RealFoxy posted:Eric kinda showed he was just a one trick pony that caught lightning in a bottle with the NWO era, and too much politicking and creative control ensured that the guys that made the NWO happen were going to make sure they were the only ones at the top of the card. He was also clearly too easy for the wrestlers to work. Bischoff was desperate to feel cool and getting to be part of the NWO was how he did that.
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Spring Stampede 99 was a good PPV and the last good one until 2001.
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So is 1999 WCW the worst year in wrestling history considering artistically and financial damage? I mean there’s bad late AWA years but they weren’t really national or anything at that point or early 90s wcw had bad quality years but they were flatlined already.
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Willninho posted:So is 1999 WCW the worst year in wrestling history considering artistically and financial damage? I mean there’s bad late AWA years but they weren’t really national or anything at that point or early 90s wcw had bad quality years but they were flatlined already. I remember we got late period AWA on ESPN in Ireland. They had reach at that point, but everything was so godawful. They just weren't imaginatively bad.
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Willninho posted:So is 1999 WCW the worst year in wrestling history considering artistically and financial damage? I mean there’s bad late AWA years but they weren’t really national or anything at that point or early 90s wcw had bad quality years but they were flatlined already. Financially, yes, artistically... maybe? Some of the TNA years were pretty loving bad.
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I thought 2000 was when they lost 60 million dollars and also put on the worst TV ever.
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LividLiquid posted:So, it's drat near impossible to sink a three-pointer for like, most people on the planet if they were alone in a gymnasium and had ten tries. Now imagine doing it in front of ten thousand people live in an arena and millions watching on TV, with a 7-foot dude waving his hands right in front of you, and it's a loving miracle anybody ever makes one. When someone says one of the first things they would do is a Vince Russo thing, then I have no problem going "You could not actually do better".
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Lotta just going "Oh yeah it's very easy to write a 3 hour wrestling show every week".
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Willninho posted:So is 1999 WCW the worst year in wrestling history considering artistically and financial damage? I mean there’s bad late AWA years but they weren’t really national or anything at that point or early 90s wcw had bad quality years but they were flatlined already. WCW in 2000 lost more money than 99. I'd say that Inokiism New Japan was more artistically damaging, but things have gotten a lot better since then
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writing for wrestling is a net that a real writer only falls into after failing in their ambitions. the job should instead Go to "marks" who would feel very passionate about ceaseless rolling waves of the exact same lukewarm, trite garbage over and over every couple of years with no actual goal In sight. Companies that don't hire for the position of writer excluded
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I wanna say WWE was in talks with a well-regarded TV or comics writer to take over Creative at one point, and he bailed when he realized he'd be going into a lovely work environment where the workers hated him and management constantly hosed up everything he tried to do.
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They've had people like Patrice O'Neal and Freddie Prinze Jr. on the writing team over the last fifteen years. There's an interview with Patrice shortly after Stephanie fired him where he spends a few minutes clowning on her, if I'm not mistaken.
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Willninho posted:So is 1999 WCW the worst year in wrestling history considering artistically and financial damage? I mean there’s bad late AWA years but they weren’t really national or anything at that point or early 90s wcw had bad quality years but they were flatlined already. 2000 was much worse financially. Now they went from record profits to losses in 1999 but they lost 60 million in 2000. I think 1999 is a worse year creatively than 2000, but it's close. They lost so much money in 2000 that in terms of artistic and financial disaster combined it isn't even close. 2000 is king. They did so much damage in 2000 that even after drastic cost cutting they were still losing $500K a week in 2001.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:They've had people like Patrice O'Neal and Freddie Prinze Jr. on the writing team over the last fifteen years. There's an interview with Patrice shortly after Stephanie fired him where he spends a few minutes clowning on her, if I'm not mistaken. The story is that she bragged to Patrice about firing him and he gave so little of a poo poo that she called back later to make sure he knew he was fired and he still didn't give a poo poo. Admiral Joeslop fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Feb 22, 2019 |
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Yes, that's what it was, haha
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MrBling posted:Spring Stampede 99 was a good PPV and the last good one until 2001.
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LividLiquid posted:So, it's drat near impossible to sink a three-pointer for like, most people on the planet if they were alone in a gymnasium and had ten tries. Now imagine doing it in front of ten thousand people live in an arena and millions watching on TV, with a 7-foot dude waving his hands right in front of you, and it's a loving miracle anybody ever makes one. It is not that hard to sink a three pointer in a gym by yourself, what are you talking about
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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:It is not that hard to sink a three pointer in a gym by yourself, what are you talking about Imagine if you were made of ham left out in the sun like 99% of Americans are
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Defiance Industries posted:Imagine if you were made of ham left out in the sun like 99% of Americans are Hey I was the star player in the first game of my basketball team that played at another school when I was 10. Surely that one game left some residual skills.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:The story is that she bragged to Patrice about firing him and he gave so little of a poo poo that she called back later to make sure he knew he was fired and he still didn't give a poo poo. Easiest way to offend a trust-fund baby is to remind them that their money and power means nothing "Patrice...you're FIRED" "Ok cool, thanks for the opportunity"
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I'm nearing being caught up with B&V&C's Retro Raws an Nitros and I just listened to them review the first few of Russo's Nitro's. I wonder if anyone told Bryan 'you wished for this! You said the show was boring and you wished for Russo trainwrecks just for something exciting. Well now you got it." Also I remember Bryan saying in Death of WCW that WCW vs. nWo World Tour or maybe Revenge is considered the best wrestling game ever. Having listened to dozens upon dozens of shows with him now, its' clear he doesn't like video games but Vinny and Craig both have fond memories of those N64 days. Maybe he got that opinion from one of them. I think WWF No Mercy is way better but, eh, what can you do. It came out later so it could do more. But man WCW Mayhem was such poo poo,. The only good thing about it was listening to the entrance music. That was amazing in those pre-YoUTube days.
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WCW Nitro and Thunder for PS1 were a lot worse than Mayhem. Mayhem at least tried.
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No Mercy, World Tour, and Revenge were all made by the same people. If you like one of those, you'll probably like the others.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:No Mercy, World Tour, and Revenge were all made by the same people. If you like one of those, you'll probably like the others. World Tour, Revenge, Wrestlemania 2000 and then No Mercy were made in that order, with pretty significant upgrades to each one down the line. 2000 had a Create A Belt mode, or maybe Create A PPV, I can't remember. Someday I'll start that LP of every single licensed wrestling game, up until the first yearly branded WWF game.
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