Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

Click here to join Lem Lee in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces
Nap Ghost

muscles like this! posted:

I believe it had the opposite issue where the production was incredibly rushed because they wanted it out in less than a year.

From all accounts Ratner spent most of the time with his hands down his pants while the A.D.s and other on-set keys directed 90% of the film. He would show up on set, clap his hands and ask "Alright! What are we shooting today?".

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



ruddiger posted:

Maybe they'll tastefully change it to two giant Michael Keaton's squeezing a lone WTC Tower.

I would like that.

Almost Blue
Apr 18, 2018

Dillbag posted:

From all accounts Ratner spent most of the time with his hands down his pants while the A.D.s and other on-set keys directed 90% of the film. He would show up on set, clap his hands and ask "Alright! What are we shooting today?".

It's wild that the X-Men series is dogged with directors who either don't do anything when they're on set or won't show up to set. I feel like journeyman directors who will just do work shouldn't be too hard to find.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich

ruddiger posted:

Maybe they'll tastefully change it to two giant Michael Keaton's squeezing a lone WTC Tower.

Do this for the Multiplicity cover.

Slutitution
Jun 26, 2018

by Nyc_Tattoo

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

Logan is proof that the silliness of a premise doesn't actually matter, as long as you execute it well.

Dredd 2012 is another example of this.

Also, Blade; specifically the world building in the first one. They're both shot like stylized, hard-R dystopia movies way more than comic book ones.

Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

Click here to join Lem Lee in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces
Nap Ghost
IMHO the first 10 minutes of Blade is still the best 10 minutes of any superhero movie to date. It's a shame Wesley turned out to be such a fuckin' tool. He could have had a huge career resurgence when Marvel reacquired the rights in 2013, but he was too busy being blacklisted for lovely behaviour and sitting in jail for tax evasion.

A friend of mine worked in post on one of his eastern European shitters a long time ago and told me that when the production contractually obligated him to do some reshoots he did all his lines in a Jerry Lewis impression so that the dailies were unusable. A good egg all around.

Slutitution
Jun 26, 2018

by Nyc_Tattoo

Dillbag posted:

IMHO the first 10 minutes of Blade is still the best 10 minutes of any superhero movie to date. It's a shame Wesley turned out to be such a fuckin' tool. He could have had a huge career resurgence when Marvel reacquired the rights in 2013, but he was too busy being blacklisted for lovely behaviour and sitting in jail for tax evasion.

You're fooling yourself if you think they would have made an R Blade with Snipes 5 years into the MCU.

Dillbag posted:

A friend of mine worked in post on one of his eastern European shitters a long time ago and told me that when the production contractually obligated him to do some reshoots he did all his lines in a Jerry Lewis impression so that the dailies were unusable. A good egg all around.

What is even more hosed up is how Marvel shamelessly pretended The Blade films didn't exist when they were marketing Black Panther as the first comic book movie with a black lead because he had a falling out with David Goyer during Blade: Trinity. They probably also didn't want to remind people that Marvel once made good movies.

Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

Click here to join Lem Lee in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces
Nap Ghost

Slutitution posted:

You're fooling yourself if you think they would have made an R Blade with Snipes 5 years into the MCU.


Oh for sure, I have no expectation that Marvel would have ever released an R rated anything, but he certainly could have shown up in any number of the MCU movies or TV series.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Dillbag posted:

From all accounts Ratner spent most of the time with his hands down his pants while the A.D.s and other on-set keys directed 90% of the film. He would show up on set, clap his hands and ask "Alright! What are we shooting today?".
Which probably explains this glaring continuity problem in the movie that I remember finding very jarring

quote:

(at around 1h 15 mins) Time of day during the final battle sequence. The first pan over the bridge from southeast looking north, is clearly midday as the shadow of the bridge is almost directly underneath it. When Magneto first walks onto the Golden Gate bridge it is close to sunset, and the shadowing is very inconsistent, sometimes sharp from direct sunlight, sometimes not. By the time they move the bridge and drops it onto the island, and lowers himself to the bridge, and all the mutants move forward, it is suddenly dark. In the DVD commentary, everyone acknowledges it, but says "Hopefully you're into the movie enough..." The whole battle is then shown as taking place in the dark.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Dillbag posted:

From all accounts Ratner spent most of the time with his hands down his pants while the A.D.s and other on-set keys directed 90% of the film. He would show up on set, clap his hands and ask "Alright! What are we shooting today?".

That, plus abusing Erin Page, like outing her in front of the entire cast and crew because she had the utter temerity to exist while being a closeted lesbian, while sexually harassing and assaulting every woman within 50 paces of him.


Dillbag posted:

IMHO the first 10 minutes of Blade is still the best 10 minutes of any superhero movie to date. It's a shame Wesley turned out to be such a fuckin' tool. He could have had a huge career resurgence when Marvel reacquired the rights in 2013, but he was too busy being blacklisted for lovely behaviour and sitting in jail for tax evasion.

He was more than just a tool, he actively went out of his way to sabotage the film. I remember hearing about how Goyer had to CGI Wesley Snipes' eyes at the end because he... just wouldn't open them. Even if he hadn't been arrested and imprisoned for tax evasion, his lovely behaviour probably would've seen him booted anyway.


Dillbag posted:

A friend of mine worked in post on one of his eastern European shitters a long time ago and told me that when the production contractually obligated him to do some reshoots he did all his lines in a Jerry Lewis impression so that the dailies were unusable. A good egg all around.

As if you don't want to see that.

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Mar 2, 2019

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

Dillbag posted:

Oh for sure, I have no expectation that Marvel would have ever released an R rated anything, but he certainly could have shown up in any number of the MCU movies or TV series.

The tone and style of the first Blade is pretty consistent with the Netflix shows, or at least with Daredevil S1. But seeing as those shows took a nosedive in quality before being shuttered entirely, Marvel clearly wasn’t committed to expanding that scope.

But they definitely veered R-rated on occasion. It’s not impossible, just unlikely.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Slutitution posted:

You're fooling yourself if you think they would have made an R Blade with Snipes 5 years into the MCU.

I mean, they let the Netflix shows be hosed up as hell, and Deadpool's staying R after the Fox buyout. I think, if they decided to use Blade at all, they'd make it R, for the same reasons as Deadpool (everyone knows the R version and it would be really obvious bad PR to tone it down).

Snipes is more of an unknown quantity; ordinarily, there's no way they'd cast him, but he's closely associated enough with the character that he literally refers to himself in the third person as Blade on Twitter to raucous applause, and he's probably cheap.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
Nobody is ever gonna put serious money into a production where Snipes is the star again, I really just don't see it happening. The legend of his behavior on Blade III has only grown as the years have gone by. It would be cool if they remade Blade with him as like a Whistler character though.

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

R-Rated Marvel (and Marvel in general) peaked with the absolute perfection of Punisher: War Zone and I will not hear otherwise.

Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

Click here to join Lem Lee in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces
Nap Ghost
Patton Oswalt has talked about Blade Trinity in interviews. It's hilarious stuff ranging from Snipes only communicating with Goyer via post-it notes, to Snipes and his crew hiding in their trailers after Goyer showed up on set one morning with a bunch of Hells Angels they had met at a strip bar the night before acting as Goyer's "bodyguards" (which was apparently after Snipes had become physical with Goyer and was trying to get him to quit).

I totally forgot about Ratner outing Ellen Page in front of the crew, what a piece of poo poo. It bothers me that he's still able to make a killing with his RatPac production group when he should be working in an Amazon warehouse or pumping gas for a living.

The Cameo
Jan 20, 2005


muscles like this! posted:

I believe it had the opposite issue where the production was incredibly rushed because they wanted it out in less than a year.

It was this. When Singer left to go make a Superman movie, Tom Rothman basically made it his life's purpose to get X-Men 3 done and out before Superman Returns in an attempt to, I guess, prove that they didn't need him (as it turns out, they didn't, when you consider all the better X-Men movies are from other people), and so to hell with working out scheduling and finding locations to shoot within a reasonable budget, they just threw money at everything to get it done. Which, when you're basically just rolling up on a property owner and saying "we need this place in a month, how much would it cost", meant a lot of people cashed in on this. It's why like, Return of the Jedi was BLUE HARVEST during production or why The Dark Knight was RORY'S FIRST KISS - obscuring that you're making a Star Wars movie or a Batman movie, even a little bit, might mean you get a reasonable price since no one's going to recognize a location scout and the accompanying folks who are going to work the negotiation out, and the director/producers aren't going to be making the deal directly with the owner. And then add in money to hire like thirty FX houses to try to get all the digital work - which was as varied as de-aging Stewart and McKellan to doing a few dozen different mutant powers ranging from wings to... face spikes?... to moving the Golden Gate Bridge so it connected to Alcatraz through magnetism - done in a ridiculously tight post schedule, and, well, you get what we got.

Meanwhile, Singer still had an office on the Fox lot and both before and after SR was there to exec produce House. Rothman was basically pissed at a guy who was actively making the studio a lot of money, just in the other format. There's a story that when Singer went to Rothman and said "so I'm backing out of X3 to go to make a Superman movie", Rothman had security escort him off the lot. Singer went and got a coffee nearby, and came back for his scheduled meeting to continue developing House.

It's one of the dumbest Hollywood things I remember seeing play out in real time last decade. Both movies ended up getting destroyed that summer anyway by Gigantic Piece of poo poo Movie, Dead Man's Chest, which I think was Disney's first non-inflation-adjusted billion grosser? And then two years later the MCU started with Iron Man and The Batman Movie That's Like Heat came out and the X-Men movies that had come out up to that point (minus a good 75% of X2) all looked really, really dumb and cheesy.

In the end, Rothman won, since now he's at Sony with a big contract as head of production with the sole goal to straighten the ship out after the Pascal/Lynton era, and hey - Sony just got a statue for Spider-Verse (plus a billion grosser in Jumanji 2... as counter-programming to a Star Wars movie! Which is a little ironic since Rothman was first President and then Chairman/CEO at Fox while the prequels were in production, although Lucas made those 100% independently like he did Empire and Jedi and all Fox did was go "thank you, George" and paid for prints and advertising), while Singer is now persona non grata and I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves the country to avoid getting viciously hammered by the law for the amount of underage rape he did.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Just saw Greta (which is a lot of fun), took another look at the poster and realized what a hilarious job it's doing at age-washing Isabelle Huppert.
Huppert in the movie:
Lower face in the poster:

McGurk
Oct 20, 2004

Cuz life sucks, kids. Get it while you can.

Teenage Fansub posted:

Just saw Greta (which is a lot of fun), took another look at the poster and realized what a hilarious job it's doing at age-washing Isabelle Huppert.
Huppert in the movie:
Lower face in the poster:

It’s clearly going for a painted look. Look at the rest of the poster and the other actress.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Sure, but it's still very deliberate. You have to put work in to shave off thirty years.

Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Mar 3, 2019

The MSJ
May 17, 2010





Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

I don't like his face. It's all scrunched and inexpressive and it feels too obvious that it's not real.

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


Waffleman_ posted:

I don't like his face. It's all scrunched and inexpressive and it feels too obvious that it's not real.

It's taken me a while to come around on it. Perlman, of course, was great but I think this version has its merits.

After all, if you want something exactly like the old movies, just go watch those, blah blah.

Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.

Satoshi Kon's Hellboy

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

He looks like tommy wiseau.


The hair ruins it. If he had the tied back hairdo it might be aight

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

ASK ME ABOUT MY
UNITED STATES MARINES
FUNKO POPS COLLECTION



The new Hellboy is almost at Lady Ghostbusters levels of pre-release anti-hype

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


What else is there to Mignola beyond Hellboy and that Amazing Screw-On Head pilot?

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

ASK ME ABOUT MY
UNITED STATES MARINES
FUNKO POPS COLLECTION



Inspector Gesicht posted:

What else is there to Mignola beyond Hellboy and that Amazing Screw-On Head pilot?

Hellboy is a pretty big comic book universe. Which makes the new Hellboy movie an even worse choice. They should've done a BPRD or Lobster Johnson movie, and done a Hellboy cameo at the end. People would've gone crazy

McGurk
Oct 20, 2004

Cuz life sucks, kids. Get it while you can.

BPRD would be a great TV series. Monster of the week stuff with the Plague of Frogs/Hell on Earth meta-arc.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Inspector Gesicht posted:

What else is there to Mignola beyond Hellboy and that Amazing Screw-On Head pilot?

He actually has done a lot of animation work doing character designs and such.

FoneBone
Oct 24, 2004
stupid, stupid rat creatures

muscles like this! posted:

He actually has done a lot of animation work doing character designs and such.

Most notably Disney’s Atlantis, iirc

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

FoneBone posted:

Most notably Disney’s Atlantis, iirc

Now that's a movie those guys should be remaking. Give it a second chance for success.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Waffleman_ posted:

I don't like his face. It's all scrunched and inexpressive and it feels too obvious that it's not real.

The thing that really sucks about it is that they've robbed Harbour of all of his emotive capabilities, and he's a great physical actor.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Inspector Gesicht posted:

What else is there to Mignola beyond Hellboy and that Amazing Screw-On Head pilot?
I love that pilot so much.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

Inspector Gesicht posted:

What else is there to Mignola beyond Hellboy and that Amazing Screw-On Head pilot?

Batman: Gotham by Gaslight and How Doom Came to Gotham among other things.

TheBigBudgetSequel
Nov 25, 2008

It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me.
Amazing Screw-On Head is just the greatest if only for this bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHLw2lyLnA8

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Niles Crane went a little crazy when Maris cheated on him.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

TheManWithNoName posted:

BPRD would be a great TV series. Monster of the week stuff with the Plague of Frogs/Hell on Earth meta-arc.

I would looove that, BPRD is more fun than Hellboy because it has a lot more character interplay. The way this movie is shaping up though, fat chance.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Wait, whoa, what the gently caress, Hellboy's a Neil Marshall joint!?

Okay, I'm in day loving one, even if there's no Perlman

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

That was the only thing that gave it hope, but the trailers killed that really hard.

I do want the full real version of the smoke on the water cover, with the lyrics. Not the one you can find on YouTube.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

CelticPredator posted:

That was the only thing that gave it hope, but the trailers killed that really hard.

I do want the full real version of the smoke on the water cover, with the lyrics. Not the one you can find on YouTube.

I dunno, I wasn't on board with the greenband trailers but the redband kinda turned it around for me. It definitely has the same tone going on as something like Dog Soldiers or Doomsday; Marshall's pretty clearly in his wheelhouse with this.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply