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Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
I liked the kid because I related to his breakfast lust.

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hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

purple death ray posted:

"This feels like fanfiction" is a nebulous phrase that basically gives you an easy way to explain why a show is bad now when you can't quite articulate exactly why.

Really fanfiction as a concept falls apart outside of books/series where everything is controlled by one author, because it takes hundreds of people to make a TV show, movie or video game, so whatever creative vision might have existed at the beginning has already been tweaked, shifted, and covered in the fingerprints of countless others. It's a uniquely capitalist objection to insist that only stories approved by whatever corporate entity currently holds the copyright are "real" and everything else is "just fanfiction".

Obviously there's a lot of utter poo poo that gets put out by the copyright holders but people don't like to admit that it might work in reverse too, and that "fanfiction" might still be "good fiction".

:smug:

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl


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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
I mean people have given a specific definition of fanfic so it’s more a shorthand than something they can’t express.

The rest of your post doesn’t really have anything to do with anything as it seems to be countering the idea that shows can’t literally be fanfic or they always are fanfic I don’t know what your going for there

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

CharlestheHammer posted:

I mean people have given a specific definition of fanfic so it’s more a shorthand than something they can’t express.

The rest of your post doesn’t really have anything to do with anything as it seems to be countering the idea that shows can’t literally be fanfic or they always are fanfic I don’t know what your going for there

Well folks were talking about like, situations where the people currently writing the show were the ones enjoying the show when it started, so basically it's sanctioned fanfiction. Like all superhero comics are fanfic at this point, the creators are long dead and everyone writing them now read them before. Long running TV shows are the same way.

I don't know, hell. I guess I'm saying the idea of canon is a lie, and media isn't automatically superior because it is officially licensed and not fan-made.

Rich Uncle Chet
Jan 20, 2005


The Law? Law is a Human Institution.


If we're talking about fan fiction level writing, nothing compares to Sealab 2021 which literally had an episode that was adapted fan-fiction.

The later seasons of Sealab were such a hot dumpster fire it's a modern miracle that we got both Frisky Dingo and Archer from the ashes.

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"
I miss Frisky Dingo so much. Archer is funny, but it's not the same. I need more Xander Crews and Master Cylinder dances.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Bogus Adventure posted:

I miss Frisky Dingo so much. Archer is funny, but it's not the same. I need more Xander Crews and Master Cylinder dances.

Yeah, seriously. Archer got tired really quickly, and devolved into endlessly repeated catchphrases surprisingly fast.

Frisky Dingo is so quotable, in the best way. Then again, so is Sealab. And Aqua Teen. And Metalocalypse.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Bogus Adventure posted:

I miss Frisky Dingo so much. Archer is funny, but it's not the same. I need more Xander Crews and Master Cylinder dances.

They made two episodes of a FD spin off that was floated to give Adam Reed time off until he felt ready to return but nothing really came of it. Although, in the vein of this thread, Frisky Dingo does have the problem of a few too many rape jokes with the character of Ronnie.

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

Rich Uncle Chet posted:

If we're talking about fan fiction level writing, nothing compares to Sealab 2021 which literally had an episode that was adapted fan-fiction.

The later seasons of Sealab were such a hot dumpster fire it's a modern miracle that we got both Frisky Dingo and Archer from the ashes.

when you think about it every episode of that show was fanfiction of sealab 2020

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Barry Foster posted:

Yeah, seriously. Archer got tired really quickly, and devolved into endlessly repeated catchphrases surprisingly fast.

Frisky Dingo is so quotable, in the best way. Then again, so is Sealab. And Aqua Teen. And Metalocalypse.

The last two I watched were real cringey about the catchphrases. The 80s season was when I gave up then apparently they went into genre anthologies?

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

RBA Starblade posted:

The last two I watched were real cringey about the catchphrases. The 80s season was when I gave up then apparently they went into genre anthologies?

Yeah, now it's a noir detective thing. It also seems to be taking itself a lot more seriously now. I've given up after a few episodes, to be honest. Archer should have ended at season 4. Season 3, even

EDIT - lol it's changed again, seems to be some Gilligan's Island thing now?

EDIT EDIT - Krieger is a parrot now. Archer has officially jumped the parrot

Barry Foster has a new favorite as of 22:37 on Mar 4, 2019

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Oct 15, 2012

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Barry Foster posted:

Yeah, now it's a noir detective thing. It also seems to be taking itself a lot more seriously now. I've given up after a few episodes, to be honest. Archer should have ended at season 4. Season 3, even

EDIT - lol it's changed again, seems to be some Gilligan's Island thing now?

EDIT EDIT - Krieger is a parrot now. Archer has officially jumped the parrot

So spoilers and all, but a few seasons ago the show ended with Archer unconscious and floating face down in a pool. The subsequent seasons are happening in his head while he's in a coma which they've used to soft reboot and change the premise. I think there's more season in the pipeline last I heard.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

christmas boots posted:

So spoilers and all, but a few seasons ago the show ended with Archer unconscious and floating face down in a pool. The subsequent seasons are happening in his head while he's in a coma which they've used to soft reboot and change the premise. I think there's more season in the pipeline last I heard.

Oh yeah, I know, I got as far as that. It's still not funny anymore though (IMO)

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

christmas boots posted:

So spoilers and all, but a few seasons ago the show ended with Archer unconscious and floating face down in a pool. The subsequent seasons are happening in his head while he's in a coma which they've used to soft reboot and change the premise. I think there's more season in the pipeline last I heard.

The organization being called ISIS was unfortunate but the problem was obviously impossible to predict and in a few years nobody will remember the other ISIS anyway.

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

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To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
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Barry Foster posted:

Oh yeah, I know, I got as far as that. It's still not funny anymore though (IMO)

Yeah, I kinda bounced off of it after the Vice season. I keep meaning to get back into it but I just haven't

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

christmas boots posted:

So spoilers and all, but a few seasons ago the show ended with Archer unconscious and floating face down in a pool. The subsequent seasons are happening in his head while he's in a coma which they've used to soft reboot and change the premise. I think there's more season in the pipeline last I heard.

What is with peoples obsession with it was all a coma dream? I feel every franchise with a disappointing turn ends with fans theorycrafting this exact scenario.

At least do something new!

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
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CharlestheHammer posted:

What is with peoples obsession with it was all a coma dream? I feel every franchise with a disappointing turn ends with fans theorycrafting this exact scenario

In this case it's literally just so they can do "this season we're doing a noir" or "this season we're doing pirates" without having to figure out a reason why it's going from one to another.

Rich Uncle Chet
Jan 20, 2005


The Law? Law is a Human Institution.


Brother Entropy posted:

when you think about it every episode of that show was fanfiction of sealab 2020

Sealab 2021 really is the only time that "Imagine Children's Show but with EDGE" actually worked. For a little while anyway.

englerp
Oct 13, 2011

Barry Foster posted:

Yeah, now it's a noir detective thing. It also seems to be taking itself a lot more seriously now. I've given up after a few episodes, to be honest. Archer should have ended at season 4. Season 3, even

EDIT - lol it's changed again, seems to be some Gilligan's Island thing now?

EDIT EDIT - Krieger is a parrot now. Archer has officially jumped the parrot

Eh, while the Noir-Season wasn't really my thing, i liked the "Tales of the gold monkey"-Season to be honest.

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

Rich Uncle Chet posted:

Sealab 2021 really is the only time that "Imagine Children's Show but with EDGE" actually worked. For a little while anyway.

wonder showzen was pretty great

e: except when it got into weird transphobic jokes, which definitely did not make those episodes age well

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

Rich Uncle Chet posted:

If we're talking about fan fiction level writing, nothing compares to Sealab 2021 which literally had an episode that was adapted fan-fiction.

The later seasons of Sealab were such a hot dumpster fire it's a modern miracle that we got both Frisky Dingo and Archer from the ashes.

The show increasingly becoming a more horrifying train wreck based on a horrible failure of a cheaply made Hanna-Barbara show just added to the whole thing, really.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
I mean I can't really argue from any position of reason, but Crackers the parrot is actually best.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich

CharlestheHammer posted:

What is with peoples obsession with it was all a coma dream? I feel every franchise with a disappointing turn ends with fans theorycrafting this exact scenario.

At least do something new!

I am currently playing Final Fantasy VIII and I remember people like to say post disc 1 is a coma/dying dream the main character is having.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Rirse posted:

I am currently playing Final Fantasy VIII and I remember people like to say post disc 1 is a coma/dying dream the main character is having.

It's a pretty preferable explanation to the notion that it's all played straight.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


I wish all the people, who ever posited that Fiction X is entirely the dying-dream of a character, were beaten on the head and then suffocated in a plastic bag of their own blood like that guy in Casino.

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"

Barry Foster posted:

Yeah, seriously. Archer got tired really quickly, and devolved into endlessly repeated catchphrases surprisingly fast.

Frisky Dingo is so quotable, in the best way. Then again, so is Sealab. And Aqua Teen. And Metalocalypse.

Exactly!

muscles like this! posted:

They made two episodes of a FD spin off that was floated to give Adam Reed time off until he felt ready to return but nothing really came of it. Although, in the vein of this thread, Frisky Dingo does have the problem of a few too many rape jokes with the character of Ronnie.

Never trust a Russian named Ronnie

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider

Inspector Gesicht posted:

I wish all the people, who ever posited that Fiction X is entirely the dying-dream of a character, were beaten on the head and then suffocated in a plastic bag of their own blood like that guy in Casino.

-Me when I read “An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge”

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

christmas boots posted:

-Me when I read “An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge”

That's like the one story where it works, though. Well, that and a couple Babylon 5 episodes.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


christmas boots posted:

In this case it's literally just so they can do "this season we're doing a noir" or "this season we're doing pirates" without having to figure out a reason why it's going from one to another.

Also "Adam Reed is kind of bored with the spy premise but FX wants to keep paying him to make the show."

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

I remember hearing a couple years back Reed had a pilot for a comedy female version of Mad Max but it didn't get picked up.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Detective No. 27 posted:

I remember hearing a couple years back Reed had a pilot for a comedy female version of Mad Max but it didn't get picked up.

It was a weird situation as they actually started to advertise it when talking about upcoming shows but for some reason it never happened.

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔
I know I'm late on Breaking Bad chat but I think a lot of the reason why people got so attached to Walter White was because the first episode laid the pity party on so thick. He really kinda seemed like he had the worst life in the world. Although when you hear his backstory you find out his lovely situation is mostly his own fault.

For me it was midway through season 3 that I decided I couldn't stand the characters since they all sucked so bad and I quit watching. Same thing happened with Better Call Saul when they started telegraphing Jimmy's descent into crime. Like obviously I know it's gonna happen because he ends up as Saul Goodman, but it kind of coincided with all the characters becoming kind of douchey.

I dunno maybe I'm just a child and want a total good guy protagonist.

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"

Casey Finnigan posted:

I know I'm late on Breaking Bad chat but I think a lot of the reason why people got so attached to Walter White was because the first episode laid the pity party on so thick. He really kinda seemed like he had the worst life in the world. Although when you hear his backstory you find out his lovely situation is mostly his own fault.

For me it was midway through season 3 that I decided I couldn't stand the characters since they all sucked so bad and I quit watching. Same thing happened with Better Call Saul when they started telegraphing Jimmy's descent into crime. Like obviously I know it's gonna happen because he ends up as Saul Goodman, but it kind of coincided with all the characters becoming kind of douchey.

I dunno maybe I'm just a child and want a total good guy protagonist.

I feel the same way, and just consider it more fatigue with the cynical anti-hero obsession. Sometimes it's nice to have good guys being good for goodness' sake rather than out of some contrived selfish desire.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
fanfiction is more good than most of the shows you watch, fellas

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"

Pick posted:

fanfiction is more good than most of the shows you watch, fellas

https://myimmortalrehost.webs.com/chapters122.htm

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Mar 10, 2012

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I haven’t seen a single episode of breaking bad but I did see the gif of Walter White throwing a pizza on a roof lmao and then him looking scary and saying something like “I am the one who knocks” like a loving badass

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Casey Finnigan posted:

I know I'm late on Breaking Bad chat but I think a lot of the reason why people got so attached to Walter White was because the first episode laid the pity party on so thick. He really kinda seemed like he had the worst life in the world. Although when you hear his backstory you find out his lovely situation is mostly his own fault.

For me it was midway through season 3 that I decided I couldn't stand the characters since they all sucked so bad and I quit watching. Same thing happened with Better Call Saul when they started telegraphing Jimmy's descent into crime. Like obviously I know it's gonna happen because he ends up as Saul Goodman, but it kind of coincided with all the characters becoming kind of douchey.

I dunno maybe I'm just a child and want a total good guy protagonist.

Better Call Saul is a slog to get through after season 2. There was maybe 5 hours of interesting story in the last 20 episodes. I really liked the first two seasons though. Well, the first season, got annoying when they hit the reset button at the beginning of the second once they found out they had a bunch more seasons to make.

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Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

oldpainless posted:

I haven’t seen a single episode of breaking bad but I did see the gif of Walter White throwing a pizza on a roof lmao and then him looking scary and saying something like “I am the one who knocks” like a loving badass

cranston threw that pizza perfectly in one take, what a legend

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