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I saw Keemstar complaining about having no drama one day last week, then he spent all day tweeting about how furries are ruining the gaming community. I guess he finally discovered the internet. Speaking of which, I went back and started talking about Kevin Havens for Classic Something Awful again. The last video was a year and a half ago and I don't think I spent enough time on how lovely of a caregiver Kevin was so I might as well just try again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XL1_Ugh4bY
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my parents boyfriend posted:I saw Keemstar complaining about having no drama one day last week, then he spent all day tweeting about how furries are ruining the gaming community. I guess he finally discovered the internet. Speaking of which, I went back and started talking about Kevin Havens for Classic Something Awful again. The last video was a year and a half ago and I don't think I spent enough time on how lovely of a caregiver Kevin was so I might as well just try again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XL1_Ugh4bY Do Groverbath next
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Groverbath is a Doom .wad now, so I'm expecting mod reviewer IcarusLiv3s to be baffled at BathDoom's existence when the eventual video comes out.
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Lessail posted:i'll have you know that you can't do a spider-man movie without first doing the aunt may and uncle ben origin movie how else will their characters resonate with me That's just asking for Trouble by Mark Millar Gnome de plume fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Mar 6, 2019 01:24
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nine-gear crow posted:I'm constantly made to wonder, with all of these e-pricks somehow getting super rich for just playing video games and screaming about women and black people into the digital void with no other marketable skills besides their gigantic personalities and maybe their ability to do some entry level video editing and audio engineering--is there any kind of bubble that they're all resting on just threatening to burst? Shock jocks and the like have always been around, and in the current system the easiest way to get rich is to be a sociopath. None of this is especially new, it's just sprouted in a new medium. Like, it sucks, but it's not like we're especially getting worse as a society. We're just as terrible as we've always been, but now more of us are in a position to notice it. (And hopefully do something about it.)
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Yeah, a lot of YouTube guys are kinda just an evolution of an already old concept. I think of Keem as YouTube's Perez Hilton - just as Perez's audience was those who are interested in drama involving It Girls, Z-listers and all that, Keem does the same only for popular people on YouTube (should be noted, extrapolating on Dan's point: Keemstar is not part of the "alternative" on YouTube. He is part of the mainstream on YouTube, as Perez was (is?) for his thing. It's so easy to get to his stuff, after all: You watch these big people, you're in any way curious about what goes on in their lives away from what you see in their vids...well, guess who's there. Not that there aren't people who do commentary on the state of YouTube and it's big names well, but he's gonna be the first for many). The right-wing gonks are yer Rush Limbaughs and all that (if anything, they're kinda less free to do what they do and make money than someone like Rush Limbaugh is who's had a paid and sponsored job to spout crap on radio for decades) . It's just the introduction of old cliches and tropes into newer formats.
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Mar 6, 2019 02:10
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Augus posted:it always baffles me when people young enough to have received participation awards whine that today’s youth are spoiled by participation awards. I've been under the assumption that participation awards are intended to foster the Pygmalion effect.
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Mar 6, 2019 02:32
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The whining about participation trophies is particularly irritating to me because there was not one student stupid enough to not realize they were just losers' trophies. None of those kids were as dumb as the adults who whine about participation trophies.
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marathon Stairmaster sesh posted:Groverbath is a Doom .wad now, so I'm expecting mod reviewer IcarusLiv3s to be baffled at BathDoom's existence when the eventual video comes out. It's not IcarusLiv3s, but, as a matter of fact...
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Terrible Opinions posted:The whining about participation trophies is particularly irritating to me because there was not one student stupid enough to not realize they were just losers' trophies. None of those kids were as dumb as the adults who whine about participation trophies. People who complain about participation trophies are universally people whose sense of self-worth doesn't come from accomplishments but from flaunting those accomplishments. They feel other people feeling good about themselves when they haven't "earned" that self-worth is bad, because it de-stabilizes their already fragile ego. For example, the only experience I have with Keemstar is the time he spent an hour in a "debate" with WingsofRedemption which was all Keem being like "I am rich and successful and you aren't" which is especially petty when its against loving Wings of all people.
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Aren't participation trophies just a joke gone astray? I didn't think they actually existed.
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Mar 6, 2019 03:20
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They might exist but kids sure know the difference, trust me. Also, I was considering covering the chili thread, just haven't quite worked out how in my head yet.
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Kim Justice posted:Aren't participation trophies just a joke gone astray? I didn't think they actually existed.
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Terrible Opinions posted:In my experience as a kid in the 90s they were the same green ribbon everytime. Only winners got lovely plastic trophies or pewter medals spray painted gold. Not much of a thing isn't it? And that leads onto another point: Such things have existed way, WAY before 'those goshdarn MILLENNIALS' was ever a thing, surely. Buncha "WELL BACK IN MAH DAY" nonsense. Boomers said it about Gen Xers and then it went down the line. We never had so much as a green ribbon anyway, so I'll just put it down to Yanks being Yanks.
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Mar 6, 2019 03:44
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As an anarcho capitalist, I believe that the free hand of the market will adequately reward children in a way that is fair.
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My assumption has always been that participation trophies were for the benefit of the parent.
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Mar 6, 2019 03:51
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I'm also reminded of fundraisers for kids (has somebody ever done an expose or something on these?) where the prizes for performance (read: having a huge, rich family to graciously dump money into them) ranged from the top tier of bikes and Super Nintendos and whatever else a 90s kid would lose their mind over all the way down to leftover 1 ticket arcade prizes like lovely erasers or cheapo pencil sets.
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John Murdoch posted:I'm also reminded of fundraisers for kids (has somebody ever done an expose or something on these?) where the prizes for performance (read: having a huge, rich family to graciously dump money into them) ranged from the top tier of bikes and Super Nintendos and whatever else a 90s kid would lose their mind over all the way down to leftover 1 ticket arcade prizes like lovely erasers or cheapo pencil sets. I don't remember fundraisers like that, but I do remember selling See's Candy for either school or boy scouts with a similar prize variation.
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the free hand of the market invented participation trophies as a way to sell more tat to schools and therefore they are sacred relics and cannot be criticised.
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Mar 6, 2019 04:03
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When I was in fourth grade I got a participation trophy for being in an intramural kids basketball league that didn't keep score or anything even then I was like "this thing is dumb"
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my parents boyfriend posted:I saw Keemstar complaining about having no drama one day last week, then he spent all day tweeting about how furries are ruining the gaming community. I guess he finally discovered the internet. Speaking of which, I went back and started talking about Kevin Havens for Classic Something Awful again. The last video was a year and a half ago and I don't think I spent enough time on how lovely of a caregiver Kevin was so I might as well just try again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XL1_Ugh4bY I am super down for the old internet readings, much more than stuff like the revenge subreddits. Did the creepy stuff like Let's Not Meet stop offering good material, or was it just unpopular? EDIT: The stupidest thing about the "Participation Trophies" meme is that the people whining about them are usually the generation who were giving out the trophies, so if the kids turned out lovely, it was your stupid fault, rear end in a top hat. Puppy Time fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Mar 6, 2019 04:17
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Also speaking as a person who got a lot of PARTICIPANT ribbons as a kid because he sucked at doing anything athletic, such "trophies" are a disincentive and a mark of shame if anything because they're one giant "YOU SUCK!" badge for the kid who gets them. gently caress off, boomer trash.
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Mar 6, 2019 04:23
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John Murdoch posted:I'm also reminded of fundraisers for kids (has somebody ever done an expose or something on these?) where the prizes for performance (read: having a huge, rich family to graciously dump money into them) ranged from the top tier of bikes and Super Nintendos and whatever else a 90s kid would lose their mind over all the way down to leftover 1 ticket arcade prizes like lovely erasers or cheapo pencil sets. I remember those, but I can't remember what big-ticket they offered that I wanted. Guess it doesn't matter now. For us, though, I don't think it was money directly, but rather selling candy/cookie dough/etc., and with that, it banked on your parents getting friends/co-workers/relatives to buy it. One caveat I have with the 'participation award' deal, is that I think it's important that you don't highlight accomplishments that aren't really remarkable or don't make much of a difference. This is maybe a bad example, but something like a 'perfect attendance award' or a dean's list certificate might seem like a big deal, but in the future, an employer isn't going to give a hoot about it. I say this because I had a few things akin to that in my portfolio which I thought would make a good impression in interviews, but I don't think it made much of a difference.  Still, I think Pygmalion effect is the idea behind it, and giving people some kind of praise or recognition for their efforts, can help them give them the push in striving to be better or to improve themselves. I think it just depends on how it's done. On the opposite (adjacent?) end of the spectrum, you would be like Bob here: 
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I guess I wasn't clear, I meant fundraisers like selling candy or crappy catalog junk or whatever, not literally dumping money directly into a fund.nine-gear crow posted:Also speaking as a person who got a lot of PARTICIPANT ribbons as a kid because he sucked at doing anything athletic, such "trophies" are a disincentive and a mark of shame if anything because they're one giant "YOU SUCK!" badge for the kid who gets them.  Ironically school instilled a really gross and unhealthy competitive streak in me to the point where now I basically can't play competitive games online because I take my performance way too seriously. John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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I don't know why they call it a participation trophy. It was always a ribbon.
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"Participation trophy" sounds better as a spittle-flecked invective.
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FoldableHuman posted:I don't know why they call it a participation trophy. It was always a ribbon. Because "participation trophy" is a more outrage-inducing term. The idea of kids walking away with an entire trophy just for showing up is a much more stirring image than the reality of them getting a slip of nylon weave with a gold embossed 245th Place at the Local School Cross Country Meet on it which they conveniently "lose" out the car window on the drive home. e: ^^
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It is also really funny because for most kids who actually did get trophies, the only piece of metal in the entire thing is the screw holding it to the base, because it turns out public schools don't have any money to spend on fancy prizes either way.
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I think they were also there as a side effect of the other lovely parents who turned every 6th-grade pick-up league into a super serious thing and became the sports equivalent of stage moms. The little trophies and ribbons made the ending ceremony slightly less awkward as the one team of talented kids who mysteriously all ended up on the same team took their victory lap.
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Puppy Time posted:Shock jocks and the like have always been around, and in the current system the easiest way to get rich is to be a sociopath. None of this is especially new, it's just sprouted in a new medium.
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FoldableHuman posted:I don't know why they call it a participation trophy. It was always a ribbon. Depends on the sport. I played minor hockey and we got trophies for losing because hey, you've already shelled out hundreds of bucks for equipment, might as well make a trophy while you're at it.
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FoldableHuman posted:I don't know why they call it a participation trophy. It was always a ribbon. I actually got a literal participation trophy once when I was a kid. I wasn't athletic enough to earn any of the trophies for being good at anything sport related, but after attending this after school activity group for two years straight the organizers gave me a pity "Thanks for turning up i guess?" trophy because I was the only kid who didn't get anything. Nothing more self esteem destroying than a "You get this because you exist and that's it" trophy.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbiLMzjmXR0 A friend of mine watched all the Madea movies to review the new Madea, and he's got a lot to say.
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John Murdoch posted:I guess I wasn't clear, I meant fundraisers like selling candy or crappy catalog junk or whatever, not literally dumping money directly into a fund. Oh, the catalog junk ones I vaguely remember too. Maybe it was something in those catalog I wanted more than one of the actual prizes. I never did athletics, so I never was in a position to get any kind of trophy award. There were other little things throughout school in classes and whatnot that I recall being competitive, but again, I can't remember any details.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Depends on the sport. I played minor hockey and we got trophies for losing because hey, you've already shelled out hundreds of bucks for equipment, might as well make a trophy while you're at it. Yeah when I played Soccer we got small plastic trophies. I think the first time I took it a bit seriously because our team legitimately did pretty well that season. The second year the trophy looked slightly nicer but our team was literally one of the worst and we were out as soon as the playoffs started. Any chance of that meaning anything went out the door at that point.
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Oh now I also remember right next to attendance awards were, pre-high school anyway, "Citizenship Awards" which I think were just a fancy way of saying I didn't punch or bite any of the other kids in my class that quarter, good job.
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my parents boyfriend posted:I saw Keemstar complaining about having no drama one day last week, then he spent all day tweeting about how furries are ruining the gaming community. I guess he finally discovered the internet. Speaking of which, I went back and started talking about Kevin Havens for Classic Something Awful again. The last video was a year and a half ago and I don't think I spent enough time on how lovely of a caregiver Kevin was so I might as well just try again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XL1_Ugh4bY Did he try to go after SonicFox? That would have been funny. Not for Keem, but everybody else.
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I Before E posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbiLMzjmXR0 Is his eye okay? It's looks a bit bloody. Kinda like when my brother got eye surgery.
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Dawgstar posted:Did he try to go after SonicFox? That would have been funny. Not for Keem, but everybody else. If I had to say, I think he was copying Memology101 who got onto it because of SonicFox. I mean, SonicFox literally likes gay furry porn on his public twitter account as a sponsored pro fighting game player and I was pretty incredulous about that when I followed him but I don't think he's about to have any shame about it. I'd have things to say about SonicFox and his ego but he always wins so I think he deserves it. Hard to say anything. my parents boyfriend fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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I've seen people posit that the predominance of impostor syndrome among Millennials is because of participation awards, because those taught us not to trust accolades as a measure of success. Dunno if I believe it 100% but getting them definitely sucked.
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