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Mumblecore sounds like lovely genre of music melded of parts of Mumble Rap and Grindcore and thus sounds stupid as gently caress.
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It's worse, its Dogma94 minus scripts
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 05:00 |
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Just... you ever have a movie that just takes your breath away literally? And it just gets under your skin? And you don't really know what to do with yourself right after? You can't like just detach and watch or do something else. You're just filled with energy, but not the good kind of energy, that weird kind of energy like when you're tired and you're stretching your limbs because its got a weird uncomfortable tingling thing or something? And you just want to find someone who can empathize or something but you're just bouncing around your house alone in the middle of the night? Hereditary.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 05:12 |
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If anyone's in the NYC area, I've been hearing really good things about Jeremy Gardner's Something Else, which is playing Tribeca this year:quote:Something Else, directed by Jeremy Gardner and Christian Stella, written by Jeremy Gardner. Produced by David Lawson Jr., Justin Benson, Aaron Moorhead, Arvind Harinath. (USA) – World Premiere, Feature Narrative. Dealing with a girlfriend suddenly leaving is tough enough. But for Hank, heartbreak couldn’t have come at a worse time. There’s also a monster trying to break through his front door every night. With Jeremy Gardner. Brea Grant, Henry Zebrowski, Justin Benson, Ashley Song, Nicola Masciotra.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 05:16 |
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STAC Goat posted:Just... you ever have a movie that just takes your breath away literally? And it just gets under your skin? And you don't really know what to do with yourself right after? You can't like just detach and watch or do something else. You're just filled with energy, but not the good kind of energy, that weird kind of energy like when you're tired and you're stretching your limbs because its got a weird uncomfortable tingling thing or something? And you just want to find someone who can empathize or something but you're just bouncing around your house alone in the middle of the night? Yep. It's the best horror movie of 2018.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 05:16 |
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Kvlt! posted:is evil bong mumblecore Its Hardcore
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 05:30 |
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I do have a question about it that I imagine has been discussed before. What do we make of the family history of mental illness and death? And Anne's "sleepwalking" and nearly killing the kids? Obviously its heavily hinted that Anne's mother was planning for this demon stuff since Anne was first pregnant ("she pressured me and I tried to get rid of it but nothing worked.") so are we assuming the other family members' deaths and "mental illness" were tied to this? Or was like Anne instinctively trying to kill the demon or something? Or are they just a family with a history of mental illness and it turns out mental illness is a big help when it comes to forming demon cults? I dig that the full back story is left kinda ambiguous. I just really can't stop thinking about it and I'm wandering around alone mumbling to myself like Toni Colette. edit: Also a wire just fell in my room and I jumped 5 feet.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 05:31 |
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Hollismason posted:Its this is my favorite post of all time
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 05:41 |
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I really wish I liked Hereditary like everybody else.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 05:54 |
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I was way muted on Mandy, Annihilation, Ritual, and most of the thread favorites. So I totally went into Hereditary tonight thinking I'd have to make one of my "here's what I didn't like but I swear I'm not just a contrarian" posts. But nope. Hereditary undid me.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 06:06 |
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I think Hereditary is a very... individual experience. Like if your upbringing or familial history doesn’t jive with it, you’ll bounce off of it pretty hard. But if you do have that foundation, it clicks in a hardcore, deeply personal way.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 06:11 |
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I don't know. I had a pretty stable upbringing and traditional family and never suffered any of the stuff they were going through. I mean there was stuff, but nothing like that. Its empathy vs sympathy, no? Something might resonate with you personally because you've been through something like it but that doesn't mean you can't put yourself in their positions and feel pain even if you can't directly relate to what they're experiencing. I basically spent half the film with tears welled up in my eyes.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 06:16 |
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Truth or Dare, okay I get it now, you hate fun.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 06:38 |
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I was SUPER onboard with Hereditary until the last act. It was still scary stuff (especially the ceiling reveal) but I couldn't help but be disappointed that there was ambiguity throughout the whole film and then nope. it's witches. I guess I find the idea of hereditary schizophrenia much scarier than actual demons because schizophrenia is real and I've seen it first hand. I also wish that more was made of the miniature dioramas. it seemed like that was going someplace but never really payed off except as a framing device. It's my understanding that the original script was solely about mental illness but studio notes, said, "No! You gotta punch that up and give the audience what they want!" I kinda wish we got the first version. That said, I am still having a hard time walking past our big walk-in closet in the dead of night. We also got ants in our bedroom after the last really heavy rain and I almost had a freakout.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 07:34 |
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Hereditary lives and dies for me on the last act. The first half is pretty harrowing, and affects me hard. But the fact that it goes batshit and almost fun makes it worth it for me. If the ending was more subtle and less supernatural, I don't think I'd be fully into it. But I also find it darkly funny for a lot of personal reasons, and only my brother and I laugh together during the dinner scene.
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Fart City posted:I think Hereditary is a very... individual experience. Like if your upbringing or familial history doesn’t jive with it, you’ll bounce off of it pretty hard. But if you do have that foundation, it clicks in a hardcore, deeply personal way. Nothing about the family in the film was relatable to me, but I still think it's one of the GOATs.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 08:05 |
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This is your daily reminder that Toni Collette got robbed and the Oscars are a sham.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 08:14 |
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All award shows are stupid bullshit and should be ignored.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 08:21 |
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One thing I appreciate about Hereditary, even if I'm not big on it as a whole, is that it is sometimes very unpredictable and other times it telegraphs what will happen, so it makes everything way off kilter. If you've seen a lot of movies, you'll notice patterns, and similar scenes will often play out in the same way because they're all using the same phrases in the same language, and Hereditary fucks with that expectation. Take the scene where Toni Collette brings her family down to do the seance. We first have the establishing scene with the psychic to set us up. Now in most movies, the next seance would fail while the family is present. They'd think she was losing it, the husband would threaten to call the doctor maybe, and everyone would go to bed. Then, when's she's all alone, the ghost would briefly reveal itself again to frustrate the protagonist/the viewer, and end scene. But none of this happens. Instead, the scene plays out unpredictably to the point where it felt like improv. And the movie often does this, maybe a little too much. It's the same with the tone. As everyone points out, sometimes it's incredibly serious about its horror, and then it will immediately veer into comedy, some of which I'm convinced is unintentional. For some, the overall imbalance works, but for me it made the movie feel messy and uneven, like it either wasn't sure what it wanted to be or it was outright failing at establishing the tone. Stryder posted:It's my understanding that the original script was solely about mental illness but studio notes, said, "No! You gotta punch that up and give the audience what they want!" I kinda wish we got the first version. If that's true, then the way the film turned out makes total sense.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 08:29 |
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Stryder posted:I was SUPER onboard with Hereditary until the last act. It was still scary stuff (especially the ceiling reveal) but I couldn't help but be disappointed that there was ambiguity throughout the whole film and then nope. it's witches. I guess I find the idea of hereditary schizophrenia much scarier than actual demons because schizophrenia is real and I've seen it first hand. I also wish that more was made of the miniature dioramas. it seemed like that was going someplace but never really payed off except as a framing device. I'm the opposite. The whole time I was watching it I was constantly hoping that the ending wasn't just gonna be "And it was all in their heads!". At first I thought it was going to cut to black in the final treehouse scene, which would have been fine, but boy I really liked that they pretty much explained everything. Although if you're generous, you could still interpret it as mental illness, and that even the final treehouse scene is all in his head Also, not sure if it's still updating but there's an official Hereditary etsy run by 'charlie' in which you can buy dolls she makes. https://www.etsy.com/shop/CraftsByCharlieG/
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 08:55 |
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STAC Goat posted:Just... you ever have a movie that just takes your breath away literally? And it just gets under your skin? And you don't really know what to do with yourself right after? You can't like just detach and watch or do something else. You're just filled with energy, but not the good kind of energy, that weird kind of energy like when you're tired and you're stretching your limbs because its got a weird uncomfortable tingling thing or something? And you just want to find someone who can empathize or something but you're just bouncing around your house alone in the middle of the night?
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 11:01 |
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Hereditary is good and probably one of the better horror films in the last few years , but it has some serious issues in the middle of the film and the ending is loving hilarious.
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Easy Diff posted:OK let me explain about The Lobster, and why it's mumblecore (and what mumble, to me, is): The Lobster is one of my favorite movies from the last few years, so I'll politely respond to your criticisms with my own takeaway. Spoilers follow, for those who have not seen The Lobster. First off, you don't get to redefine an already defined genre just because you dislike a movie. While film movements are an abstract construction in an attempt to define where films fit in the greater history of cinema and are inherently flexible, Mumblecore is a very specific thing. The Lobster's story fits comfortably as a cynical and perverse RomComs and also paranoid distopian fiction, like 1984, Brave New World, and other human dramas set in an oppressive fictional world. I'd say it's close to Neo-Poetic Realism, if I had to pick. Maybe there's a new definition for this type of film that I'm not aware of. 1. A. The characters talk in an "artificial way" because they live in a society that represses free speech and expression. Saying the wrong thing will get you punished in numerous ways. This is a society that controls the population through reproduction (all the way down to how and when you may flirt), occupation, through specific characteristics (you must have a literal feasible trait in common to be considered appropriate to connect with them), and even what species of animal you live as. The dialogue and awkward human interactions is reflective of this societal oppression. See also: A Clockwork Orange's Nadsat and 1984's New-Speak. It is incredibly intentional. B. Dialogue does move along the plot and express characters. David chooses to flirt with a psychopath after a woman who was interested in him fails her suicide attempt, showing his ability to lie and manipulate the system for survival while also showing his desperation to continue living. It's also a funny scene. The same psychopathic woman's speech about killing David's brother shows how deep her depravity really goes (which also illustrates how society allows for this psychopath to exist, because she can do so within the system's rules) to see if she can break the cold-killer persona he has been showing her so they might be romantically linked. David and the near-sighted woman have an entire discussion about their relationship and their future and survival by talking about David no longer hunting rabbits. The film tells you everything you need to know about these people and this world they live in, with very little, but specific, dialogue. 2. A. The film specifically did not use any make-up for the characters. It only used natural lighting. It used real sets. It used actual locations. Ireland, where it was filmed, is known for pale surroundings mixed with lush green forests. This might explain why the film feels bland to you, but it's really that the world is intentionally bleak. The first half of the film has a modern Brutalism feel. The 2nd half mixes forest with brutalist cityscapes. B. Here we will have to agree to disagree. Thimios Bakatakis's cinematography is excellent. I think his work is fascinating and beautiful. The colors, due to the natural lighting, tend to be muted, especially outside in foggy Ireland. That's intentional. I actually loved how they filmed the forest, since it actually looks like you're in a forest. The camera tends to be more static than dynamic, which I think keeps the film grounded, as does Bakataki's interest in center-framing his subjects. I also thought the natural lighting was wonderful, as it makes the world feel life-less from the oppressive conditions, and that the only joy available is internalized. 3. How is it nonsensical? Structurally? It's divided by Hotel / Forest. Or you can define it by the romantic interests at the time, Blonde > Suicidal Girl > Psychopathic Woman > Near Sighted Woman. It's a character-driven story, so in that way I guess itmeanders, since really David is trying to survive this maze of rigorous structure, but there's plenty of story to explore. The 2nd half of the film is even more story-driven than the first, with the anti-hotel subterfuge, David risks his life to actually feel love and romance, David's chance of love being destroyed from a new selfish society. The Hotel / Forest division mirrors itself with irony. The Hotel is society's structure, the Forest is an equally structured society that claims anarchy while being just as bad or worse. Plenty of films about romance seem to meander, because romance is a meandering adventure. See also Linklater's Before Trilogy, or Demme's Something Wild, or Lost In Translation, or any RomCom. The Lobster just happens to make the stakes of a failed relationship actual death or transmogrification. It's a divisive film. It's a weird film. It's unique. I doubt this will convince you to enjoy the film, but hopefully if softens your dislike and gives you more of an appreciation for what it's going for. Worst film you've seen seems like a big stretch, when talking about the same year Pixels and Pan and The Ridiculous 6 came out. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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For like a movie to be uhhh mumblecore the uhh characters need to speak in this like sorta naturalistic way that's full of all the stuff that's you know usually removed from movie dialogue and uhh that's both a stylistic choice and also a byproduct of most of the dialogue being improvised. And be like shot on uhh camcorder with available light and a slice of life story focused on umm twentysomething characters. FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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FreudianSlippers posted:For like a movie to be uhhh mumblecore the uhh characters need to speak in this like sorta naturalistic way that's full of all the stuff that's you know usually removed from movie dialogue and uhh that's both a stylistic choice and also a byproduct of most of the dialogue being improvised. The Fly remake is the mumblecoriest, then.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:37 |
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Someone said It Comes At Night is mumblecore horror, and I think that actually fits. So does Creep. In that definition I posted for Mumblecore, it cites Mark Duplass as a progenitor of the movement.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:42 |
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Yeah, It used to be called Goldblumcore but one time a journalist misheard and wrote "mumblecore" and it just stuck.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:44 |
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The Lobster’s dialogue is essentially the opposite of Mumblecore. It’s arch and theatrical. I mean if you need examples of Mumblecore just look at Mark Duplass’ IMDB because he and his brother have made a dozen movies in the style.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:49 |
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Nothing like a good forest/jungle in film. Really when it comes down to it I'm in this for the forests and the hallways. Also the wallpaper.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:49 |
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Basebf555 posted:Nothing like a good forest/jungle in film. Really when it comes down to it I'm in this for the forests and the hallways. Also the wallpaper. And ornate carpets!
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:54 |
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FreudianSlippers posted:Yeah, It used to be called Goldblumcore but one time a journalist misheard and wrote "mumblecore" and it just stuck. It's Brundlecore, how could you!
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 15:10 |
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Turns out taking the meandering lovable Goldblum persona and inserting into pasty nerd characters can be quite annoying.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 15:16 |
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Somehow Joe Swanberg is the key to all of this.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 15:19 |
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Null of Undefined posted:Truth or Dare, okay I get it now, you hate fun. To be clear, that's the Asylum-level knockoff one that came out the same year, not the "The Demon is represented by Snapchat Filters" one that got a theatrical release.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 15:21 |
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STAC Goat posted:I do have a question about it that I imagine has been discussed before. I think, plot wise, the mental illness that is said to run in her family derives entirely from the grandmother's occultism. She had been using various members of her family as potential conduits/pawns to summon Paimon and had been doing it for a very long time. So it's more about how familial abuse ripples through a family from generation to generation, I guess. One thing I really liked about the movie is how there are clearly complicated occult machinations going on that we don't see that makes the seemingly unlikely things happen like the telephone pole scene. People have complained about how unlikely that seems, but there's an occult symbol clearly etched on the pole. It's magic.
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Drunkboxer posted:I think, plot wise, the mental illness that is said to run in her family derives entirely from the grandmother's occultism. She had been using various members of her family as potential conduits/pawns to summon Paimon and had been doing it for a very long time. So it's more about how familial abuse ripples through a family from generation to generation, I guess. One thing I really liked about the movie is how there are clearly complicated occult machinations going on that we don't see that makes the seemingly unlikely things happen like the telephone pole scene. People have complained about how unlikely that seems, but there's an occult symbol clearly etched on the pole. It's magic. Yeah I never got the complaint about that particular scene considering the rest of the movie. I agree about it pointing to how this stuff ripples through a family and I like that the movie does so much to set itself up like a paranormal, possession kind of story, but instead stays really consistent with that theme of generational effects of abuse by having the "possession" be something completely orchestrated by the grandmother. A lot of that movie hit home for me. If there was a scene in it that didn't jive with me it was when the book is thrown into the fire...but Gabriel Byrne is immolated instead! I know like yeah, trickster god, whatever, but that was just such a blatant "Huh, this character is completely useless and pointless for the entire movie but it's Gabriel Byrne and we filmed too much so we can't just cut him out, uh, uhm, er
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 15:53 |
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Neo Rasa posted:Yeah I never got the complaint about that particular scene considering the rest of the movie. I agree about it pointing to how this stuff ripples through a family and I like that the movie does so much to set itself up like a paranormal, possession kind of story, but instead stays really consistent with that theme of generational effects of abuse by having the "possession" be something completely orchestrated by the grandmother. A lot of that movie hit home for me. I think it works very well as a metaphor for real life traumatic events. So often when horrible things happen, we look back and see all the opportunities there were for it to go a different way, and all the things that had to line up just right to get to the worst possible outcome. It can feel like the universe had determined that this horrible thing was going to happen to you or your family and then bent reality to make it happen. You focus on the reasons why it should never have happened. Neo Rasa posted:If there was a scene in it that didn't jive with me it was when the book is thrown into the fire...but Gabriel Byrne is immolated instead! I know like yeah, trickster god, whatever, but that was just such a blatant "Huh, this character is completely useless and pointless for the entire movie but it's Gabriel Byrne and we filmed too much so we can't just cut him out, uh, uhm, er Of all the scenes that people have cited to argue that Hereditary is a black comedy, this is the one that I agreed with the most. It's the only one that did actually get me in the moment as I was watching it and made me laugh my rear end off.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 16:02 |
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Hollismason posted:Hereditary is good and probably one of the better horror films in the last few years , but it has some serious issues in the middle of the film and the ending is loving hilarious. The middle of Hereditary is the brilliant part, though. Then the third act is where it all falls apart and loses any possible claim to "best horror of 2018" in a world where Mandy exists.
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# ? Mar 6, 2019 16:42 |
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I loved Hereditary, but it's not even in my top 10 of 2018. If we're talking specifically horror films, then it's #4 from 2018. I do need to give it a rewatch sometime.
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Franchescanado posted:I loved Hereditary, but it's not even in my top 10 of 2018. What are your top three?
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