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Opening Day is just a week or two away. And Hope Springs Eternal! But as a fun retrospective, I thought it'd be neat to revisit an old SAS staple, the All-Millennium team. Now this will be a little tricky, but I'd like to see a roster of your team using players only in the last 18 years. BUT - there's a catch. You can only use a player once, and you can only use a year once. Thus, you can't just have 03, 04 and 05 Randy Johnson as your three starting pitchers, nor can you use the entire 2016 Cubs team for the all-millennium lineup. I picked 18 because no one gives a poo poo about extraneous backups, and because it fits nicely into the current millennium's list. As usual, baseball-reference.com is an invaluable resource. So let's get to work. Make sure you have a defense of your choices!   The problem with the Marlins is that as a "draw fans to the ballpark" enterprise, their entire philosophy was "have 1 transcendental player at a time," so there were 2-3 year stretches where Giancarlo Stanton or Miggy were the only guys on the roster to post an OPS+ over 100. This makes finding tricky, since you can only use one Stanton season, so the other years, there's a lot of nothing. Weirdly, the early 2000s always had one Marlin reliever who would put up an absurd season. It was never the same guy and he was never good again. Also, if someone could do the Reds, it'd be much appreciated.
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This looks fun and also trying to figure out the Twins pitching is gonna be hilarious also you only have 17 players IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Mar 6, 2019 19:18
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This is an awesome idea and a great way to kill time at work - gonna do the Astros now.
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Mar 6, 2019 19:22
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IcePhoenix posted:This looks fun and also trying to figure out the Twins pitching is gonna be hilarious Add 2000 Derrek Lee to my list then and put Gaby on the bench 281/368/507, 28 HR
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Mar 6, 2019 19:40
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How much leeway are we allowing for position here? The Dodgers have had piles of crap at 2B for awhile but there are surplus SS/3B options who could easily play there instead And honestly I'd consider putting like 2013 Hanley Ramirez at 1B too for that matter
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Mar 6, 2019 19:55
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I’m so angry that I’m stuck at work. I just want to theorycraft an awesome Cardinals team and wax nostalgic about the MV3 years.
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Mar 6, 2019 20:04
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it is absurd but I'm considering taking a Kershaw year in which he didn't win the Cy Young
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Mar 6, 2019 20:08
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I have a Giants one in the works but somehow I hosed up and ended up with 2005 JT Snow and his 86 OPS+ at first base so nobody take the Giants while I rejigger this
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So the Astros had some really good teams early in the century, have been fantastic recently, and utter garbage for about 10 years in between! I had to put Clemens in at his "worst" year as an Astro in order to make it all work, but otherwise, drat good team with a fantastic lineup, solid rotation and one of the best back-ends you'll ever see. Just don't put in Lucas Harrell or Mark Melancon, please.
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Mar 6, 2019 20:57
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Easy Diff posted:Add 2000 Derrek Lee to my list then and put Gaby on the bench you need a five man rotation and also don't have anyone from 2018  when you said 18 players I guess I just assumed you meant 2001-2018
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Mar 6, 2019 21:20
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Kirios posted:So the Astros had some really good teams early in the century, have been fantastic recently, and utter garbage for about 10 years in between! I had to put Clemens in at his "worst" year as an Astro in order to make it all work, but otherwise, drat good team with a fantastic lineup, solid rotation and one of the best back-ends you'll ever see. Just don't put in Lucas Harrell or Mark Melancon, please. Friend, I’ve got some bad news about Brad Lidge for you when it comes to my impending Cardinals lineup...
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Mar 6, 2019 21:22
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I was just finishing up when I realized I can't repeat years. I had 2017x3, 2000x2, & 2015x2 back to the spreadsheet...
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Mar 6, 2019 21:24
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 lol 2017 Jeff Samardzija because the just-okay Giants SPs in the early-to-mid 2000s got muscled out by a bunch of roid bois
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Mar 6, 2019 21:43
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I'll take the bullet of having to look at the Tigers teams of the early 2000s.
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Mar 6, 2019 21:59
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I remember doing this before but I think you got 25 years to work with then. This is a lot harder!
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Mar 6, 2019 22:21
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IcePhoenix posted:
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 Could also put 2018 Justin Turner or Cody Bellinger at 1B but I wanted to highlight how truly absurd Hanley's 2013 campaign was (plus I'd have to replace Kevin Brown's 2000 peak with probably Ryu's 2013). It's a shame I couldn't include Chris Taylor's 4+ WAR utility effort in 2017, he played 5 different positions that year. There were some lean years in there between like 2005-2012, and I had to go with one of Kershaw's "weaker" years because the rest of the 2012 team was so mediocre (Andre Ethier was the second highest WAR at 3.5). This pitching staff is pretty ridiculous, and the bullpen is nightmare fuel. edit: if we are including a second UT position to use all years from 2000-2018 just slide 2018 Justin Turner into that spot (.312/.406/.518, 14HR, 154 wRC+, 4.2 fWAR in 103 games) total WAR for 19-man roster: 102.6 - 96.5 bawfuls fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Mar 6, 2019 22:34
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tinstaach posted:I'll take the bullet of having to look at the Tigers teams of the early 2000s. If I looked at the mid 2010s Astros you're gonna have do to the early 2000s Tigers, friend. Edit: I'm saddened that Jeremy Bonderman got no love from the Tigers list. Kirios fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Mar 6, 2019 22:36
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Man alive it's gonna be pretty tough to top that Dodgers squad
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Tom Gorman posted:Man alive it's gonna be pretty tough to top that Dodgers squad We can do it, I have faith!
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Easy Diff posted:I did, but the marlins did not field a single major league caliber player in 2018 so I had to go backwards Realmuto for Pudge, Beckett fifth starter. Anyway here's the Twins!  Some notes: Morneau's 2010 is obviously better but Thome's 2010 is the best DH season by such a huge margin that the sacrifice had to be made. Also this let me put Jim Thome on the team. Buxton over Torii because he was actually acceptable at the plate in 2016 and his Defense is so far off the charts that I had to do it. Nathan's 2006 suffered a similar fate but that was the only way to get Liriano on the team. I had to do a lot of deck chair shuffling with years to get non-embarrassing players at a couple positions. I'm sad I couldn't fit Radke on the team 
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I opted to just take the bullet for a couple of bad players to get all the favorites on the Astros team. You should have found a way to get Radke on there.
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please include innings for your pitchers, a normalized offensive stat like OPS+ or wRC+, and some version of WAR just for the shorthand convenience factor tia
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bawfuls posted:please include innings for your pitchers, a normalized offensive state like OPS+ or wRC+, and some version of WAR just for the shorthand convenience factor tia Kirios posted:I opted to just take the bullet for a couple of bad players to get all the favorites on the Astros team. You should have found a way to get Radke on there. Excellent points, I will make the corrections when I get home
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Updated my post. See if anyone can beat 100 WAR total. Maybe Red Sox or Yankees?
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Ice To Meet You posted:I remember doing this before but I think you got 25 years to work with then. This is a lot harder! Here's my go at it, pretty different! Although it looks like you did 19 guys/years:  Finding a good 1B season from someone not named Miguel Cabrera was...challenging. e: for the record, I also had Professor Farnsworth's 2005 on there until the very end. tinstaach fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Mar 6, 2019 23:31
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Here's mine, I got to 97.2 bWAR with the Phils.  Might be able to re-arrange things to get that number higher, but not much higher. The Phils have been really good this millennium, even with the couple down years between 2013-2017. Also Nola is the single season bWAR leader for the Phils at least since 2001.
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Here is one for the braves, managed 100.3 bWAR
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1B- Derek Lee 2005 2B- Mark Bellhorn 2002 3B- Kris Bryant 2016 SS- LF- Moises Alou 2004 CF- RF Sammy Sosa 2000 C Geovany Soto 2010 DH- Aramis Ramirez- 2011 SP- Jon Lieber 2001 SP- Mark Prior 2003 SP- Carlos Zambrano 2006 SP-Jake Arrieta 2015 SP-Ted Lilly 2009 RP- Pedro Strop 2014 RP-Steve Cisek 2018 RP-Carlos Marmol 2007 CL-Kerry Wood 2008 CL-Wade Davis 2017 I got stuck. I'm missing 2012 and 2013. God, those teams were loving terrible. Edit-- poo poo, I didn't do it in spreadsheet form. Feel free to use this if you want, Cubs fans. BigBallChunkyTime fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Oh man I'm gonna see if I can ressurrect the very bad optimizer I wrote in college the last time I recall us doing this (n...nine years ago...?!?). But first, a Red Sox selection From The Heart, mostly just by going backwards chronologically and sorting by bWAR a lot. BTW it's bullshit this cuts off Pedro's year 2000 I'm boycotting F U. 105.9 total bWAR
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new and improved
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I didn't try to optimize it too much, but I'm surprised by how sparse the pitching was for the Cardinals. There's probably a better version of this out there but I'm proud of this version including Darryl Kile.
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I did one for the Yankees, and it's about who you expect: Dynasty era players plus some of the 2010s guys 
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 Peep those loving Dongers, gentlemen e: aww yeah, beat the other Yankees dude
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Paul Zuvella posted:
drat I didn't put in anyone from the 2018 team lol
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Fools, all of you! While you're mewling about over your fancy statistics, and your MORPS and BLORPS I've constructed an unbeatable team. A team with this much grit and hustle cannot possibly lose  Hail Satan
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Paul Zuvella posted:
Mariano River
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Paul Zuvella posted:
Those big numbers on the right side are really cool! What happens if you just do 18 players like everyone else instead of 19? 
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Reformed Pissboy posted:Those big numbers on the right side are really cool! What happens if you just do 18 players like everyone else instead of 19? other people did 19 you nerd
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Your Taint posted:1B- Derek Lee 2005 Batting C - Willson Contreras - 2017 - .276/.356/.499 - WAR 4.0 - Break out year and a very similar to Soto's ROTY .285/.364/.504 /3.3 WAR /119 OPS+ 1B - Derrek Lee - 2005 - .335/.418/.662 - WAR 7.7 - Lee's best year ever. 2B - Javier Báez - 2018 - .290/.326/.554 - WAR 6.3 - Báez near MVP year. 3B - Kris Bryant - 2016 - .292/.385/.554 - WAR 7.4 - MVP SS - Starlin Castro - 2011 - .307/.341/.432 - WAR 3.2 - Not Starlin's best year but close and 2011 NL hit leader. LF - Alfonso Soriano - 2007 - .299/.337/.560 - WAR 4.3 - Soriano best year as a Cub. CF - Juan Pierre - 2006 - .292/.330/.388 - WAR 2.0 - 2006 was a bad team, but hey 58 SB RF - Sammy Sosa - 2001 - .328/.437/.737 - WAR 10.3 - Sosa best year. Bonds was still nearly 2 WAR better. UTL - Anthony Rizzo - 2014 - .286/.386/.527 - WAR 5.2 - Didn't know if I could sneak Rizzo in with Lee being so good in 2005. Pitching SP - Jake Arrieta - 2015 - 22-6 / 4.92 K/BB - WAR 8.3 - Best second half ever. SP - Mark Prior - 2003 - 18-6 / 4.90 K/BB - WAR 7.4 - Prior and Wood's career high WAR seasons both happened in 2003. SP - Ryan Dempster - 2008 - 17-6 / 2.46 K/BB - WAR 6.9 - I like Kerry Wood better. SP - Carlos Zambrano - 2004 - 16-8/ 2.32 K/BB - WAR 6.7 - plus .6 batting WAR = 7.3 on the Ohtani WAR scale. LR - Travis Wood - 2013- 9-12/ 3.11 ERA / 2.18 K/BB - WAR 4.4 - Might be cheating to stick him in the bullpen. LR - Jeff Samardzija - 2012- 9-13/ 3.81 ERA / 3.21 K/BB - WAR 2.3 - 2012 was a bad team except Darwin Barney  SU - Ángel Guzmán - 2009 - 15 Holds / 2.95 ERA / 2.04 K/BB - WAR 1.7 - Not bad. Better then Kevin Gregg or Marmol that year. SU - Joe Borowski - 2002 - 2 Saves / 2.73 ERA / 3.34 K/BB - WAR 2.3 - 95 IP. Borowski would become the closer in 2003. CL - Carlos Marmol - 2010- 38 saves / 2.55 ERA/ 2.65 K/BB - WAR 2.7 - 16 K/9 wild man. Total BrWAR = 93.1 Sad I could not work Kerry Wood in. Starlin Castro is the best SS in the past 20 years for the Cubs. The 2010s had some bad teams. I could change Ángel Guzmán in 2009 for Lilly 5.0 WAR but Guzmán had the best ERA+ on the team at 152. Or Borowski for Wood 4.4 WAR in 2002. This would push the total WAR to 98.5 Edit - gently caress up. Marmol was better then Sean Marshal in 2010 ScottyJSno fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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