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priznat posted:Remember when that person was denied boarding with her emotional support gerbil so she flushed it in the airport bathroom to catch her flight? What the gently caress. 
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Godholio posted:What the gently caress. Yup https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/airplane-mode/hamster-flushed-down-toilet-after-college-student-s-pet-denied-n846116
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Godholio posted:What the gently caress. Last year. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/airplane-mode/hamster-flushed-down-toilet-after-college-student-s-pet-denied-n846116 Edit: beaten with the same link!
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Mar 10, 2019 21:06
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This does not bode well for emotional support hippos.
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Mar 10, 2019 23:08
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ewe2 posted:This does not bode well for emotional support hippos. Where else is your girlfriend supposed to ride?
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e.pilot posted:Where else is your girlfriend supposed to ride? Obligatory "his girlfriend can usually be found riding me" comment
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Godholio posted:What the gently caress. All of us at the time, and now, still
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https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1104897693149728768
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And so, for the first time ever, China's domestic aviation is safer than America's. Honestly though this is baaaaaaad news for Boeing, though not unwarranted.
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Mar 11, 2019 01:28
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They need to ground them all.
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Mar 11, 2019 01:56
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And Irkut and Comac are perking their ears up, one expects.
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Tim Whatley posted:They need to ground them all. Yup. I have a friend that's flying to Vegas tomorrow to meet her mom and I checked to make sure neither of them were gonna be flying on a MAX.
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Cayman just suspended theirs too. I gotta say, I've lurked this thread for a long time as I have a deathly fear of flying but am fascinated with airplanes, so it's nice to just hear pilots shoot the poo poo as it makes me feel better. I've got a Southwest flight on Thursday (I don't think I'm on one down or back) and this is a huge bummer. Southwest really needs to ground them all. https://twitter.com/SouthwestAir/status/1104820074458857472 But nah, they remain confident. Tim Whatley fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Mar 11, 2019 |
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Mar 11, 2019 03:23
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My dad works for Southwest, I wouldn't say I'm genuinely afraid for his life in the upcoming months but I'm watching this Max 8 stuff with concern.
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Cat Mattress posted:Lawyers can't fix bad publicity. ftfy
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I'll find out when I go to work in a bit if I worked on that ETH MAX at all. It's quite sobering, much like the Lion Air one. edit: I set up a document for it and did an initial walk-through to check some items in it prior to its first flight. It's quite eerie. AzureSkys fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Mar 11, 2019 |
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Mar 11, 2019 04:00
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Knee jerk hysteria. The loving ashes aren't even cold and everyone is convinced beyond a doubt that there's something deeply, inherently flawed with a plane that has been in continuous production for like half a century. Yeah sure, everyone is just going to renege on billions of dollars of contracts and sign new billions of dollars of new contracts with Airbus because a 320 didn't crash most recently.
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Finger Prince posted:Knee jerk hysteria. The loving ashes aren't even cold and everyone is convinced beyond a doubt that there's something deeply, inherently flawed with a plane that has been in continuous production for like half a century. Yeah sure, everyone is just going to renege on billions of dollars of contracts and sign new billions of dollars of new contracts with Airbus because a 320 didn't crash most recently. Uh the Max 8 has been in the air for less than 2 years and a plane struggling to climb while accelerating before cratering, in perfect VFR conditions aligns pretty well with the failures that resulted in an earlier crash not all that long ago. People still bought 737s after the rudder issue caused the Colorado Springs and Pittsburgh crashes, but I don't think it's overreacting to legitimately wonder if 737MAXs are totally safe.
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Finger Prince posted:Knee jerk hysteria. The loving ashes aren't even cold and everyone is convinced beyond a doubt that there's something deeply, inherently flawed with a plane that has been in continuous production for like half a century. Yeah sure, everyone is just going to renege on billions of dollars of contracts and sign new billions of dollars of new contracts with Airbus because a 320 didn't crash most recently. The DC-10 had 2 major incidents a couple years apart and that scared a lot of people away. https://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/20/us/troubled-history-of-the-dc-10-includes-four-major-crashes.html quote:McDonnell Douglas announced in August 1983 that it would end production of the DC-10, citing a lack of orders. Industry observers at the time attributed the DC-10's lack of popularity among airlines to its fuel-guzzling design and widespread public apprehension about flying in the plane after the 1979 American Airlines crash. The max 8 has had those operational crashes in just a few months. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Mar 11, 2019 |
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Mar 11, 2019 04:13
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Yeah two very similar crashes of the same new model of plane in the span of 5 months is legit worrisome. The max has only been flying for just over 3 years and been certified for 2.
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Mar 11, 2019 04:46
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Grounding planes temporarily seems like a prudent measure in this situation.
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Mar 11, 2019 04:50
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I don’t know what this says about me but I’d still ride a MAX with no second thoughts. A chance of fiery death is a small price to pay for overhead bins that don’t need to go eat my entire rear end. P.S. I flew with an airline called Aeromar twice this week and while their airport operations were dodgy as gently caress compared to what I’m used to, the flights themselves were great and the pilots flying, on both occasions, pulled off crosswind landings that could be used as demos for perfect technique. I suppose it’s better to prioritise that over things like “assigning a gate more than 10 minutes before boarding.” A++ would fly again.
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Mar 11, 2019 04:53
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This is deeply concerning considering modern expectations are benchmarked to the first 777 fatality happening 18 years after its first commercial flight and even then being the result of a fire truck hitting a fleeing passenger.
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Mar 11, 2019 05:03
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Plus Boeing leaving tools and FOD in the USAFs new KCs just seals the deal.
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Finger Prince posted:Knee jerk hysteria. The loving ashes aren't even cold and everyone is convinced beyond a doubt that there's something deeply, inherently flawed with a plane that has been in continuous production for like half a century. Yeah sure, everyone is just going to renege on billions of dollars of contracts and sign new billions of dollars of new contracts with Airbus because a 320 didn't crash most recently. The fact that it's been in production for half a century with continuous refinements suggests that the newest versions should be essentially perfect. What is there to go wrong with a 737? Apparently something, if two of the newest version have crashed in similar circumstances within months of one another. It might be a very unfortunate coincidence -- or it might not. As a point of comparison there are about 750 operational 787s right now, which were a totally new design and which have been flying for 7 years, and there hasn't been a single fatality associated with the type. The preliminary report on the Lion Air crash suggests that a faulty AoA sensor triggered the plane's MCAS anti-stall features (repeatedly forcing the nose down), and that the procedures for handling erroneous operation of this system are new/different from previous versions of the 737, so the pilots didn't follow them properly. If it turns out to be a problem with the sensors or the MCAS, Boeing is hosed. If it turns out to be a problem with pilot procedures, Boeing is less hosed, but still pretty hosed because it implies the type conversion training isn't what it should be.
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CommieGIR posted:Plus Boeing leaving tools and FOD in the USAFs new KCs just seals the deal. This is just a tried and true Defense Contractor tradition.
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But Boeing has admitted this is a problem(ish) and provided additional training on the exact issue and how to recover from it to airlines? Certainly every 737MAX pilot must be aware of it after the Lion crash.
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Mar 11, 2019 06:15
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To be fair, the Chinese grounding is just as likely related to the current chest puffing they have against the US and Canada now for daring arrest one of their billionaires as it is for "safety"
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Elviscat posted:But Boeing has admitted this is a problem(ish) and provided additional training on the exact issue and how to recover from it to airlines? Certainly every 737MAX pilot must be aware of it after the Lion crash. The procedure may not be practical.
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Elviscat posted:But Boeing has admitted this is a problem(ish) and provided additional training on the exact issue and how to recover from it to airlines? Certainly every 737MAX pilot must be aware of it after the Lion crash. This raises the question of potential gaps in 737 Max training.
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hobbesmaster posted:The procedure may not be practical. I'm also reading that Boeing's guidance to operators to address this until they can patch the FCC software is to just turn on the autopilot. WHICH YOU CAN'T DO IF YOU'RE APPLYING ANY FORCE TO THE CONTROLS. Good work, those people tearing Southwest a new one in that twitter thread. If it's true that the cutouts do nothing for MCAS ground the fuckers.
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If it is MCAS related, then the FAA probably steps in and grounds them until they fix it, which will probably be a hasty mandatory AD to deactivate it. Boeing probably eats the manhour cost of implementing it plus lost revenue while they're grounded. That'll be costly, but not the end of the world. Remember that the 787 was grounded for 4 months while they redesigned the battery enclosure, and it's doing fine. That was a much bigger undertaking than a software update and maybe some wiring changes. It's ironic that the whole reason this MCAS system was created was due to customers who were worried about all the Airbuses stalling and falling out of the sky and wanting an automated anti stall system for an airplane that historically didn't have that problem.
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Mar 11, 2019 10:39
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Here's something a bit brighter in the aeronautical insanity category. Techno laser plane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=valQZEMJBEg
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AzureSkys posted:Here's something a bit brighter in the aeronautical insanity category. OMFG that is probably the greatest airplane related thing I have ever seen! Thank you for this!
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AzureSkys posted:Here's something a bit brighter in the aeronautical insanity category. goddamn I picked the wrong week to not be in Melbourne
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Mar 11, 2019 12:57
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AzureSkys posted:Here's something a bit brighter in the aeronautical insanity category. Right but what about radar seekers
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Mar 11, 2019 13:14
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AzureSkys posted:Here's something a bit brighter in the aeronautical insanity category. This is  Made some gifs of it https://i.imgur.com/UmLX3f3.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/vSct6fV.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/XPodycX.mp4
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It's like unstealth
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Nebakenezzer posted:It's like unstealth Bob, we need you to cause a distraction so we can sneak past those guards! Say no more mates, I got this!  poo poo! We were so distracted we forgot to sneak past the guards!
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