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Geemer posted:
Yeah I love how he just ignores the irrefutable slam dunks, cherry picking bits that he can pretend to have an argument against. He reminds me a lot of Peter B(right) of Ars Technica, except Peter was usually actually right, though he was just as insufferable about it in the same manner. Peter managed to somehow still be likeable though.
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lol all i ever see is Jerk detected! This user is on your ignore list, click to view post anyway
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Mar 11, 2019 04:37
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redeyes posted:lol all i ever see is Jerk detected! This user is on your ignore list, click to view post anyway But enough about your posts
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Mar 11, 2019 07:51
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So I made the switch to 10, and so far I like it, but the one thing that irks me a bit is fan control. Like, the graphics card used to spin up the fans when I'm in a game, but now everything stays silent. I barely notice a difference. Everything's more silent than it used to be, but I'm not sure if that's actually ok.
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Mar 11, 2019 08:59
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mike12345 posted:So I made the switch to 10, and so far I like it, but the one thing that irks me a bit is fan control. Like, the graphics card used to spin up the fans when I'm in a game, but now everything stays silent. I barely notice a difference. Everything's more silent than it used to be, but I'm not sure if that's actually ok. Windows 10, by itself, doesn't have any fan control. If you aren't running some software with a fan controller, the only good explanation I can think of is that you upgraded from 7 and now your games are running in DX12 -- which is actually more efficient than 11 and thus running cooler. Alternately you updated your graphics drivers for the first time in ages and they've changed to a more lax fan curve. You can grab HWinfo64 if you want to look at temperatures while you play games or something. Modern hardware has plenty of protection against overheat damage so it's definitely ok from a safety standpoint, it just reduces framerate if it has to throttle.
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Mar 11, 2019 10:36
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Klyith posted:Windows 10, by itself, doesn't have any fan control. Ok, that's good to know. Yeah I upgraded from 7 to 10, must be DX12. Games look better, and it's running more silent, pretty cool.
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Mar 11, 2019 11:43
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I finally decide gently caress it, I'm going to have to switch to w10 eventually, might as well put it on my laptop. Now it freezes on boot unless I have the USB drive I used to install it plugged in. 
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Mar 12, 2019 07:25
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Sounds like it installed on the USB.
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Mar 12, 2019 08:29
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It might have put one of the boot partitions on the USB, much like how it sometimes puts random recovery partitions on other drives I have installed.
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Mar 12, 2019 08:40
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Phoenixan posted:It might have put one of the boot partitions on the USB, much like how it sometimes puts random recovery partitions on other drives I have installed. Probably the UEFI thingy.
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Mar 12, 2019 08:48
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I figure that's the case. I'll try to fix it tomorrow, since I think I can get it to trigger recovery without the disk in and then I should be able to reinstall/fix the bootloader without wiping my files (probably). It's the sort of stuff that's been keeping me from upgrading thus far, though, just enough things break that it's frustrating to get it working like it did before.
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Mar 12, 2019 09:07
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See that's the kind of poo poo that Just. Should. Not. Happen. anymore but it does. I don't blame anyone who's perfectly satisfied with their machines' present abilities and performance for clinging to 7 till support ends, and after that I wouldn't blame them for moving to 8.1 (gently caress the original 8) instead of 10. I ran 8.1 for a long time and loved it. It had lots of the good things about 10 but less of the fuckery. I only moved on to 10 for complicated convenience reasons, and rather than assume my mostly problem-free installations are a given, I frankly count myself lucky and knock on wood constantly.
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Mar 12, 2019 12:27
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Hipster_Doofus posted:See that's the kind of poo poo that Just. Should. Not. Happen. anymore but it does. I don't blame anyone who's perfectly satisfied with their machines' present abilities and performance for clinging to 7 till support ends, and after that I wouldn't blame them for moving to 8.1 (gently caress the original 8) instead of 10. I ran 8.1 for a long time and loved it. It had lots of the good things about 10 but less of the fuckery. I only moved on to 10 for complicated convenience reasons, and rather than assume my mostly problem-free installations are a given, I frankly count myself lucky and knock on wood constantly. Go run Win98.... 
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Mar 12, 2019 16:57
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Hipster_Doofus posted:See that's the kind of poo poo that Just. Should. Not. Happen. anymore but it does. I don't blame anyone who's perfectly satisfied with their machines' present abilities and performance for clinging to 7 till support ends, and after that I wouldn't blame them for moving to 8.1 (gently caress the original 8) instead of 10. I ran 8.1 for a long time and loved it. It had lots of the good things about 10 but less of the fuckery. I only moved on to 10 for complicated convenience reasons, and rather than assume my mostly problem-free installations are a given, I frankly count myself lucky and knock on wood constantly. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but I don't really get what the expectation is for this particular situation. If you install Windows 10 with a jacked up boot order, at least with BIOS it's going to put the bootloader where it needs to so that it can boot successfully. If you don't want that, disconnect the drives you don't want to install on or fix your boot order. It's not going to magically read your mind and know what drive you plan to use when there are other drives that are valid targets and higher in the list. You can make the same thing happen in Windows 7 with BIOS. Try installing it with two+ drives in your boot order, not to the first drive, and then pull the first drive and let me know what happens when you try to boot again. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Mar 12, 2019 |
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Mar 12, 2019 17:11
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I'm trying to enable retpoline, and unless I'm missing something obvious, it doesn't work on my machine. I'm running 1809 education on a i7-3770, KB4482887 installed, added the appropriate registry keys and even uninstalled Hyper-V to be sure. No dice, Get-SpeculationControlSettings returns : BTIKernelRetpolineEnabled : False BTIKernelImportOptimizationEnabled : False My motherboard is a Asus P8Z77-V LK, the BIOS is from 2014, but there's no newer one. Is it too old?
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Mar 12, 2019 17:40
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pofcorn posted:I'm trying to enable retpoline, and unless I'm missing something obvious, it doesn't work on my machine. Unfortunately, user-hostile or low-effort firmware is entirely capable of locking people out of things. Also wow that Asus dropped support for the board that quick.
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Mar 12, 2019 17:50
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The registry keys worked fine for me, with Hyper-V installed and running, so it must be an external factor.
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Mar 12, 2019 18:48
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pofcorn posted:I'm trying to enable retpoline, and unless I'm missing something obvious, it doesn't work on my machine. Did you install the current microcode for your CPU? Note that you will need to manually install an updated version of the microcode update with every new Feature update for Windows 10 (so, twice a year) - these tend to get released about a month after the updates starts deployment. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4465065/kb4465065-intel-microcode-updates (or a more direct link to the update http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=4465065)
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Mar 12, 2019 18:54
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Eletriarnation posted:Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but I don't really get what the expectation is for this particular situation. If you install Windows with a jacked up boot order, it's going to put the EFI partition or bootloader or whatever where it needs to so that it can boot successfully. If you don't want that, disconnect the drives you don't want to install on or fix your boot order. It's not going to magically read your mind and know what drive you plan to use when there are other drives that are valid targets and higher in the list. You have to put a USB drive ahead of the HD to boot the installer. General advice for installing modern windows with the separate boot partitions is to make your system as simple as possible before installing. But in this case I can't imagine a laptop was equipped with half a dozen drives. Normally it is pretty good about not putting that stuff on a removable -- personally I've had more often when the installer is trying to *avoid* a drive for some reason. I think something must have been at least a little non-standard with the OP's system to make it put the bootloader on the USB stick that it was installing from. I dunno, this is why I clean install every time.
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Mar 12, 2019 19:20
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Yeah, putting the bootloader on the drive containing the installation media is pretty  no matter what. This isn't a bios problem.
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Mar 12, 2019 23:01
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Lambert posted:Did you install the current microcode for your CPU? Note that you will need to manually install an updated version of the microcode update with every new Feature update for Windows 10 (so, twice a year) - these tend to get released about a month after the updates starts deployment. Thanks, but no luck I'm afraid. Oh well.
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Mar 12, 2019 23:17
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Yeah, wouldn't take on my 2500k either. I know MS was claiming they were bundling the microcode update with the OS since my mobo manufacturer long since stopped supporting this hardware but I'm guessing there is some caveat somewhere that's stopping it from enabling.
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Mar 12, 2019 23:36
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:Yeah, wouldn't take on my 2500k either. I know MS was claiming they were bundling the microcode update with the OS since my mobo manufacturer long since stopped supporting this hardware but I'm guessing there is some caveat somewhere that's stopping it from enabling. It's not bundled with the OS, but part of a separate update (the one I linked) that doesn't tend to get installed automatically through Windows Update. They did push a previous version through WU, though.
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Mar 12, 2019 23:38
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Woof, completely missed that. Thanks.
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Mar 13, 2019 00:13
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Well, turns out that turning off "Core isolation" in Defender did the trick. I found that out after running hwinfo (to confirm the CPU microcode), it showed a message that Hyper-V was enabled even though it was uninstalled. Thought for a second and remembered that Defender had a setting that used virtualization. All this because I wanted to play some Far Cry 3. It barely ran better than my old Phenom 2, I knew something was up. Went from 50 FPS to 120. God damnit, Intel.
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Mar 13, 2019 00:26
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I can't even get Windows 1809 to install to even try this. I've not deferred updates but win 10 automatic updates just won't even find it. It's been pushed to the Semi-Annual Channel, right? edit: clicking the check for updates button doesn't prompt 1809 to download
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Mar 13, 2019 01:08
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MagusDraco posted:I can't even get Windows 1809 to install to even try this. I've not deferred updates but win 10 automatic updates just won't even find it. It's been pushed to the Semi-Annual Channel, right? If you want to update to 1809 but it's not being pushed to you (and if you aren't subject to the two software/driver blockers), you can use the windows 10 update assistant. Info: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3159635/windows-10-update-assistant
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Mar 13, 2019 01:09
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You can also use the regular Media Creation Tool to update.
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Mar 13, 2019 01:12
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astral posted:If you want to update to 1809 but it's not being pushed to you (and you aren't subject to the two software/driver blockers), you can use the windows 10 update assistant. Info: Didn't realize I could force the update with that. I'm on an i5-3550 and am trying to eke out whatever life I can get out of it before building a new computer after Zen 2 shakes out. Thanks. Though I guess I should image my previous install in case 1809 causes me problems.
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MagusDraco posted:Didn't realize I could force the update with that. I'm on an i5-3550 and am trying to eke out whatever life I can get out of it before building a new computer after Zen 2 shakes out. Thanks. Though I guess I should image my previous install in case 1809 causes me problems. Windows 10 does that automatically, you can roll back for 10 days after installation of a new Feature update.
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Lambert posted:Windows 10 does that automatically, you can roll back for 10 days after installation of a new Feature update. Yeah I remember that but also remember 1809 (or the first roll out of 1809) sometimes nuking your files MagusDraco fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Mar 13, 2019 |
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Mar 13, 2019 01:18
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Always good to have a backup.
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Mar 13, 2019 01:33
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Does this retpoline fix apply only to Intel processors, or would it affect AMD ones as well?
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Mar 13, 2019 02:27
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hooah posted:Does this retpoline fix apply only to Intel processors, or would it affect AMD ones as well? Both. It's a change to how the kernel makes specific syscalls to by injecting a break point which stops the cpu from doing further speculative instructions. All AMD processors are compatible and most Intels though not the latest gens for reasons I haven't totally figured out yet.
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Mar 13, 2019 02:42
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Klyith posted:You have to put a USB drive ahead of the HD to boot the installer. It might be the more obvious method, but it's not the only one; the one-time boot menu lets you do that too. I wonder if there's a difference in how removable drives advertise themselves to the system that would affect whether Windows sees the drive as a valid target. I don't think it can really have a blanket exclusion, since installing to a USB drive isn't inherently an invalid choice.
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Mar 13, 2019 03:10
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Wouldn't/shouldn't the bios be telling the installer "yo this one's usb" regardless of what the drive reports?
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Mar 13, 2019 03:33
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Wouldn't/shouldn't the bios be telling the installer "yo this one's usb" regardless of what the drive reports? Don't assume UEFI firmware isn't incredibly inept under any circumstances.
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Mar 13, 2019 13:09
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:most Intels though not the latest gens for reasons I haven't totally figured out yet. I'm guessing the latest Intel processors have some kind of Spectre/Meltdown mitigation in place, and that might be incompatible with what retpoline is doing. Just a guess, though.
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Mar 13, 2019 13:43
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AlexDeGruven posted:I'm guessing the latest Intel processors have some kind of Spectre/Meltdown mitigation in place, and that might be incompatible with what retpoline is doing. Opposite, almost. Newer Intel CPUs (Skylake and later) do further unsafe speculative execution that can't be avoided entirely with a retpoline construct, so they are forced to use the slower microcode-based mitigation instead.
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Wouldn't/shouldn't the bios be telling the installer "yo this one's usb" regardless of what the drive reports? Not if the flash drive is advertising itself as a hard drive. Or the system firmware is masking USB drives as hard drives for some godawful reason. Depends on whether the board knows a given USB socket is inside or outside the case. And also whether, say, laptop manufacturers even considered that a user would manually install an OS and deprive the poor deprived mega-OEM of hundreds of dollars in service fees.
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