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I like how y'all reply to my post about how everyone has been discussing this propaganda thing for a while but it seems more vehement this time around and go, "Well the thing you're not seeing is that people have been discussing this propaganda thing for a while." E: Christ, what a snipe.
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Schwarzwald posted:You mean the film where one of the good guys is a hapless CIA agent who saves the day with a drone strike? In the comics he's a low-level diplomatic corps guy sent to work with the Prince because he's not important, but they specifically made him a CIA agent so when he does the right thing it makes the CIA look good
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corn in the bible posted:In the comics he's a low-level diplomatic corps guy sent to work with the Prince because he's not important, but they specifically made him a CIA agent so when he does the right thing it makes the CIA look good Yeah, there it is, that's the thing they changed and made weird in the movie.
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Mar 13, 2019 18:39
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kween just kramering straight into the tea and just SLAYING the corn-cobbed chuds. and I am living for it.
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Mar 13, 2019 18:48
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It’s not about the review. Their montage of black reporters (and a kid reporter?) meant to prove that racism is over is the same thing as their argument from 10 years ago that Melvin Van Peebles proves that racism is over, and it doesn’t even address the hollywood narcissism of the clip of Larson it was meant to address. It’s an extremely facile, tiresome argument that seems to be positioned to demonstrate that anyone can enjoy anything, which is self-evidently true and doesn’t require that sort of argument. Again, not to pile on, but the montage of reporters wasn't used to show "racism is over" but to exemplify the absurdity of Larson's performative wokeness.
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Dongicus posted:kween just kramering straight into the tea and just SLAYING the corn-cobbed chuds.
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RareAcumen posted:I remember some comments about it being loving weird that they added that CIA guy in and it never really being acknowledged that Killmonger is just using standard run-of-the-mill CIA training but aside from that I'm drawing a blank on anyone's commentary on it besides superhero movies draining the live blood of creativity that they've always done. I might be misremembering but didn't the CIA Agent literally say "this is poo poo he learned from the CIA"?
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A big flaming stink posted:Again, not to pile on, but the montage of reporters wasn't used to show "racism is over" but to exemplify the absurdity of Larson's performative wokeness.
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Mar 13, 2019 19:23
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Trojan Kaiju posted:I might be misremembering but didn't the CIA Agent literally say "this is poo poo he learned from the CIA"? Yeah, he says that and not a single Wakandan draws attention to the fact that Killmonger is basically the ideal CIA agent since this seems to be how they want their agents to aspire to be.
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Mar 13, 2019 19:24
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Trojan Kaiju posted:I might be misremembering but didn't the CIA Agent literally say "this is poo poo he learned from the CIA"? yeah, something to that extent. they basically used him a black ops kill team shooter. killmonger isnt wrong to an extent(he is right that they should open up and become a global power and a deterant to oppressive poo poo be it openly or covertly at least for africa), but its clear he doesn't give two shits about wakanda as an actual country and just wants to exploit its tech to gently caress over the world that hosed him.
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RareAcumen posted:Yeah, he says that and not a single Wakandan draws attention to the fact that Killmonger is basically the ideal CIA agent since this seems to be how they want their agents to aspire to be. true, though i got more of a MACV-SOG type than an out and out CIA agent. same difference though. he would be the dude nailing porn to a tree with landmine under it.
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Mar 13, 2019 19:27
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Hemingway To Go! posted:Forget it, we learned from the 2016 election that the only problem with capitalism is that some people don't allow their wealthy liberal betters to form their opinions for them and decide what they should want and that everyone who is not a neoliberal is an alt righter. You don't need any perspective other than unquestionably supporting your betters and making sure other people do too. Oh boy, we're back to wet cardboard progressives and the circular firing line again!
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, something to that extent. they basically used him a black ops kill team shooter. killmonger isnt wrong to an extent(he is right that they should open up and become a global power and a deterant to oppressive poo poo be it openly or covertly at least for africa), but its clear he doesn't give two shits about wakanda as an actual country and just wants to exploit its tech to gently caress over the world that hosed him. nationalism is poison, and a country like wakanda is complicit in the status quo. Spark That Bled posted:Oh boy, we're back to wet cardboard progressives and the circular firing line again! progressives are good. progressives advocating for better representation of men and women of color in CEOs are class traitors. A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Mar 13, 2019 |
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Mar 13, 2019 19:55
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all of this over a comic book movie you guys have brain parasites
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Mar 13, 2019 19:59
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I gotta admit, this certainly is making want to see Captain Marvel all the more.
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Mar 13, 2019 20:06
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It sucks that we have to wait until Fridays for big content drops. Otherwise I'll have to keep doing what I do and he the change yada yada yada. Anyways, Gggmanlives looks at a fan patch that fixes the most egregious problems with John Romero's bitch simulator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7RjuOA6aD8 Talk about anything other than RLM or Marvel if you are so inclined. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Mar 13, 2019 |
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Mar 13, 2019 20:18
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Mar 13, 2019 20:21
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ArfJason posted:all of this over a comic book movie i just find it fun. the people who legit get upset about it are sad though. Spark That Bled posted:I gotta admit, this certainly is making want to see Captain Marvel all the more. you should, its fun. Arcsquad12 posted:It sucks that we have to wait until Fridays for big content drops. Otherwise I'll have to keep doing what I do and he the change yada yada yada. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLm4x1MHZZs he also did a review of medal of honor airborn, which is fun game from what i remember.
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Mar 13, 2019 20:24
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lol remember when marvel partnered with war profiteers
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cugel posted:I wish Batman was dead. That is not dead which can eternal be written in lovely "Death of X" gimmicks
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Arcsquad12 posted:Anyways, Gggmanlives looks at a fan patch that fixes the most egregious problems with John Romero's bitch simulator. I've long believed a good version of Daikatana was possible because of how many similarities it had to Deus Ex (a good game). Kinda nuts that anyone would ever bother to do that, though.
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Mar 13, 2019 20:46
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lean-in neoliberal feminism is bad it is also bad, i think, when RLM is careless with its anti-neolib critique, even of a mediocre movie like Captain Marvel. RLM has a huge alt-right audience and that's not for no reason, and every time Mike and Rich complain about representation or declare Racism/Sexism Is Over, they embolden the toxic elements of their fanbase.
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DoctorWhat posted:lean-in neoliberal feminism is bad 
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DoctorWhat posted:lean-in neoliberal feminism is bad They've hit that sweet spot of "the point might be progressive or chuddy depending on where you're standing," like that sculpture that changes from an elephant to a giraffe when you switch positions.
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Mar 13, 2019 21:01
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Someone should talk to them. Jay was pretty cool when I interacted with him on the RLM forums back when he was on there, and during a few streams we had.
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Mar 13, 2019 21:02
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DoctorWhat posted:lean-in neoliberal feminism is bad Fair critique but they didn't even say that racism is over, they agreed with Brie's point even.
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Hemingway To Go! posted:Fair critique but they didn't even say that racism is over, they agreed with Brie's point even. I haven't watched the CapMar review yet, I'm speaking of a broader pattern of behavior.
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Mar 13, 2019 21:12
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Puppy Time posted:They've hit that sweet spot of "the point might be progressive or chuddy depending on where you're standing," like that sculpture that changes from an elephant to a giraffe when you switch positions. We should not keep talking about this, but their attitude is to dismiss anything that disconfirms their own expectations, so that their response to Bree Larson making a political statement about movie reviewers being white is to insist that they can enjoy movies made by black people instead of noting what a vacuous and empty criticism that is and how it scrupulously avoids engaging anything real, like cops murdering children or people being poisoned by their drinking water. Or how movie reviewers are all bourgeois scum anyway and part of the apparatus that sustains hollywood, and that hollywood should be destroyed. Although I guess she probably wouldn't want to use her platform to say that.
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Hbomberguy posted:lol remember when marvel partnered with war profiteers I remember something about that. They had a Q&A or a panel of some kind and advertised it on twitter and 17 minutes later they were like 'we have decided not to go through with this after all' I also rememeber them pushing back putting up the Punisher for like about a month or so since the Las Vegas shooting had just happened.
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RareAcumen posted:I remember something about that. They had a Q&A or a panel of some kind and advertised it on twitter and 17 minutes later they were like 'we have decided not to go through with this after all' it was at nycc2017 and i was part of an on-the-ground protest for it. nearly got kicked out of the convention.
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Mar 13, 2019 21:20
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DoctorWhat posted:RLM has a huge alt-right audience every internet place i've been where people like RLM they chase out the alt-right, even on reddit, so the repeated assertions to this effect seem weird to me not that i'm doubting it exactly because why would i want to expose myself unnecessarily to people in the "alt-right" after seeing what repeated voluntary exposure to that sort of thing does to the average Internet Personality + Review Thread poster?
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Bonaventure posted:every internet place i've been where people like RLM they chase out the alt-right, even on reddit, so the repeated assertions to this effect seem weird to me no they absolutely have a large alt-right audience, which made it all the more hilarious when rich said that he and jack were very liberal during a previously recorded livestream. the chat was NOT happy hearing that lmao. rlm's overview of the captain marvel horseshit was Not Bad. it wasn't perfect but it sure as poo poo wasn't anti-representation or pro-chud by any stretch of the imagination and frankly i expected them to do worse than they did since they're 40-something midwestern white dudes who, yes, don't have a phenomenal track record with this sort of thing. they've either talked/interacted with someone about this stuff (maybe josh, who is literally dsa), or the abundant stupidity of the situation made them realize how fuckin insane people are being.
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RareAcumen posted:I remember something about that. They had a Q&A or a panel of some kind and advertised it on twitter and 17 minutes later they were like 'we have decided not to go through with this after all' they tried to make a comic based off a made up team that was a giant advert for grummin. it got canned when it was mocked and attacked online thankfully.
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:no they absolutely have a large alt-right audience, which made it all the more hilarious when rich said that he and jack were very liberal during a previously recorded livestream. the chat was NOT happy hearing that lmao. it guess it just underscores how stupid alt-righters are that they can't smell the brand of milquetoast doesn't-think-about-politics-much liberalism that RLM embodies from a mile away like, 'they express ideas in line with mainstream liberalism literally all the time; but Mike was gross to Jillian in that one episode so he's one of us'
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Bonaventure posted:it guess it just underscores how stupid alt-righters are that they can't smell the brand of milquetoast doesn't-think-about-politics-much liberalism that RLM embodies from a mile away I'll bet a lot of them came in with Plinkett and it seems likely that's at least part of the reason the character's quasi-retired to a supporting role in Half in the Bag
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Yeah RLM doesn’t really cater to the alt right. Hell in the Marvel review they talk about how weird it is that people are making daily YouTube videos about Brie’s comments and how they should just get over it. They even agree that having diverse voices is a good thing as it gives you perspectives you might not have ever thought about
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CYBEReris posted:I'll bet a lot of them came in with Plinkett and it seems likely that's at least part of the reason the character's quasi-retired to a supporting role in Half in the Bag it's this plus they dislike a lot of the same movies the alt-right dislikes, even though their reasons for doing so are completely different from the reasons the frogmen have for disliking those movies
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Bonaventure posted:it guess it just underscores how stupid alt-righters are that they can't smell the brand of milquetoast doesn't-think-about-politics-much liberalism that RLM embodies from a mile away
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