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What's a good explainer of the soil thing? Is it just that it won't support mass farming anymore? We've made it inhospitable to life as we know it? Something in between?
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Kobayashi posted:What's a good explainer of the soil thing? Is it just that it won't support mass farming anymore? We've made it inhospitable to life as we know it? Something in between? the soil is literally being washed away as it's being pumped full of water and fertilizer to sustain capitalist agriculture. since cycling crops and similar medieval methods are simply not as profitable as filling your land full of fertilizer and water and grow monocultures, capital decided it's better to turn all our arable land into a loving desert to make the number go up for a few more years. only question right now is, what's going to run out first, soil or phosphorous fertilizers, both are being depleted real quick lmao
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Mar 18, 2019 17:52
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What depresses me isn't human extinction, it's that we're taking everything else down with us, except maybe some of the more hardy bacteria. Also the untold suffering of billions but that will last a much shorter time in the grand scheme of things and I can always just think of how many of them didn't care or believe in this until they started starving/being blown by category 9 winds/burned or frozen to death by the air around them.
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Mar 18, 2019 17:56
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Truga posted:the soil is literally being washed away as it's being pumped full of water and fertilizer to sustain capitalist agriculture. since cycling crops and similar medieval methods are simply not as profitable as filling your land full of fertilizer and water and grow monocultures, capital decided it's better to turn all our arable land into a loving desert to make the number go up for a few more years. So it's mostly an "erosion" problem caused by capitalist inefficiency? Do we know how to sustainably farm for 8 billion people, or is poo poo more dire than that?
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Mar 18, 2019 18:14
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Kobayashi posted:So it's mostly an "erosion" problem caused by capitalist inefficiency? Do we know how to sustainably farm for 8 billion people, or is poo poo more dire than that? we wont have to farm for 8,000,000,000 
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Mar 18, 2019 18:21
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Kobayashi posted:So it's mostly an "erosion" problem caused by capitalist inefficiency? Do we know how to sustainably farm for 8 billion people, or is poo poo more dire than that? Man we don't even know how to farm sustainably for 4 billion people.
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Mar 18, 2019 18:47
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oh poo poo the Amish were right this whole time
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Mar 18, 2019 19:17
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Kobayashi posted:So it's mostly an "erosion" problem caused by capitalist inefficiency? Do we know how to sustainably farm for 8 billion people, or is poo poo more dire than that? No one knows bc it's these very techniques that have engendered that population, we've never tried to feed 8 billion people without industrial agriculture
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Mar 18, 2019 19:20
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Truga posted:the soil is literally being washed away as it's being pumped full of water and fertilizer to sustain capitalist agriculture. since cycling crops and similar medieval methods are simply not as profitable as filling your land full of fertilizer and water and grow monocultures, capital decided it's better to turn all our arable land into a loving desert to make the number go up for a few more years. 1. Natural gas, which is the main ingredient of fertilizer, isn't going to run out soon. 2. New soil is constantly being produced as the tectonic plates push the mountains up, causing rock slides.
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Mar 18, 2019 19:46
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Truga posted:We should do both. Probably not in parallel, action to fix poo poo is incredibly urgent right now, whereas going out can happen whenever, but the fact that it's easier on earth doesn't mean we shouldn't also try to colonize other bodies. Mainly because the night view on a saturn moon would be loving amazing, but still. Bit of an aside but I imagine that by the time you can colonize Mars, you'd have no real reason to. At that point, you can design optimal habitats in space. Any habitat other than optimized stations would constitute slumming it / roughing it.
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Mar 18, 2019 19:48
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qkkl posted:1. Natural gas, which is the main ingredient of fertilizer, isn't going to run out soon. that's not how soil is produced. it takes thousands of years of weathering to produce a few inches of soil, and if you kill all the fungi and insects and turn the planet into a desert it will take even longer or never happen
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Mar 18, 2019 20:09
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Admiral Ray posted:Man we don't even know how to farm sustainably for 4 billion people. Mayor Dave posted:No one knows bc it's these very techniques that have engendered that population, we've never tried to feed 8 billion people without industrial agriculture Yikes, welcome to the climate change thread, I guess.
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Mar 18, 2019 20:11
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'Wait what are you saying constant earthquakes making mountains move isn't actually a real thing' yeah that's just your mom moving around
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Mar 18, 2019 20:15
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Kobayashi posted:Yikes, welcome to the climate change thread, I guess. Should be the new thread title imo.
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Mar 18, 2019 20:19
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Climate change: gently caress
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Mar 18, 2019 20:53
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qkkl posted:1. Natural gas, which is the main ingredient of fertilizer, isn't going to run out soon. he said specifically phosphorus fertilizers, which are primarily mined
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Mar 18, 2019 20:58
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rock slides will save us from arable soil depletion is a next level take
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Mar 18, 2019 20:59
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Man we should start an actual death cult now, because no one should ever let humanity escape this planet and destroy another one, the only moral thing to do if there ever was a generational ship would be to bomb it before it left Earth's gravitational pull.
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Mar 18, 2019 22:20
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thats not candy posted:that's not how soil is produced. it takes thousands of years of weathering to produce a few inches of soil, and if you kill all the fungi and insects and turn the planet into a desert it will take even longer or never happen lol gonna be living on tatooine real quick.
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Mar 18, 2019 22:30
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Mordor She Wrote posted:Man we should start an actual death cult now, because no one should ever let humanity escape this planet and destroy another one, the only moral thing to do if there ever was a generational ship would be to bomb it before it left Earth's gravitational pull. human beings somehow managing to both kill this biosphere and escape to another is easily a worse outcome than our species dying out here, yes
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Mar 18, 2019 22:32
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think of how awesome it’s gonna be when we shoot down the rich people spaceship trying to escape earth
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Mar 18, 2019 22:32
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Mordor She Wrote posted:Man we should start an actual death cult now, because no one should ever let humanity escape this planet and destroy another one, the only moral thing to do if there ever was a generational ship would be to bomb it before it left Earth's gravitational pull. humankind building a successful colony ship would require such a radical change in human nature that climate change would be long solved the death cult is what we're doing as an industrial civilization right now
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Mar 18, 2019 22:38
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:human beings somehow managing to both kill this biosphere and escape to another is easily a worse outcome than our species dying out here, yes the earth's on fire so we're moving on better find another one cuz this one's done waiting for the magic of the scientists' love to push push push push pull us up spend some time floating round in outer space find another planet, make the same mistakes our minds all shattered when we climb aboard hoping that the scientists can find another door
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Mar 18, 2019 22:39
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the universe is a giant cosmic annihilatrix of incomprehensibly destructive forces, stars blowing up, planets smashing into each other or getting thrown into the void to slowly freeze in the great, unending dark it doesn't loving matter in the slightest if our highly complex virus manages to make it off this rock to another, or not, you moralizing dweebs
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Mar 18, 2019 22:44
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you fool, you imbecile, you utter clod. there is absolutely zero difference between good and bad things
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Mar 18, 2019 23:16
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that's not what i said fucker i said nothing matters
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Mar 18, 2019 23:21
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qkkl posted:2. New soil is constantly being produced as the tectonic plates push the mountains up, causing rock slides. What's the net flux of soil regeneration vs soil usage?
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Mar 18, 2019 23:21
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you: a bunch of scared tryhards trying to figure out how to prevent the inevitable me: a stoned slacker concerned with maximizing my gaming hours before time of death
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Mar 18, 2019 23:23
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Percelus posted:you: a bunch of scared tryhards trying to figure out how to prevent the inevitable But enough about the yang gang.
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Mar 19, 2019 00:00
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Lol, gently caress Idaho, Mozambique just got flattened by a cyclone with over a hundred thousand "affected" and has another three days to go before the flooding eases.
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Mar 19, 2019 00:23
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 does pollution count as climate change? 
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Mar 19, 2019 01:48
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Taintrunner posted:think of how awesome it’s gonna be when we shoot down the rich people spaceship trying to escape earth like 9/11 except there really will be dancing in the streets
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Mar 19, 2019 01:52
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Dead Beef posted:
Climate change isn't the threat, Total Biosphere Collapse is. I tried to have the D&D thread title changed to that for two iterations. IMO "climate change" is too narrow a threat and gives people the comfortable illusion that if we just keep temperatures low we can continue the business of industrial society as usual. When in reality doing so will still destroy everything beautiful and worth living for on this planet.
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Mar 19, 2019 02:00
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Rime posted:Climate change isn't the threat, Total Biosphere Collapse is. I tried to have the D&D thread title changed to that for two iterations. You are right.
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Mar 19, 2019 02:02
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Taintrunner posted:think of how awesome it’s gonna be when we shoot down the rich people spaceship trying to escape earth there was one of those discovery channel "documentaries" which was like, what if a neutron star collides with earth, and in it the rich people lead by not-elon musk decided to make an unsafe antimatter rocket and it blew up on the launch pad yeah that absolutely would happen
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Mar 19, 2019 02:11
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Amazing takes I've enjoyed reading from elsewhere that I'm sure will also draw a smile from everybody here: Losing 95% of insects by biomass is no big deal, they aren't going extinct after all there's just fewer of them Climate change doesn't cause extinctions and shouldn't be worried about, animals just move to places they can inhabit while others move into those newly available spaces We can't lower our farming output under any circumstances because it'll cause poor people to starve; food waste is unavoidable and as good as it can get anyway Soil depletion is no big deal since soil manufacturing exists - that'll just scale up naturally as it's needed, and distributing it won't be an unsolvable problem anyway Further growth and industrialization will naturally be mitigated by increasing efficiencies in greenhouse gas production And of course my favorite - melting glaciers, drying rivers, and depleting aquifers aren't a problem since nuclear power plants, desalination plants, and pipelines for moving fresh water inland have decades yet to be built before it's a major problem Thus the world is saved and nothing need be changed infinite capitalism forever hooray we're all gonna die and it's gonna be funny as hell
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Mar 19, 2019 02:51
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CODChimera posted:I'm starting to agree with the poster who said we should speed it all up. ecodestructionalist accelerationism
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Mar 19, 2019 02:59
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people itt literally pining for the politics of that onion future news leader dealing with setbacks of the particle beam bomb made specifically to annihilate the earth
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Mar 19, 2019 03:26
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Socks4Hands posted:ecodestructionalist accelerationism 
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team eternal spreading spherical wave of space locust monkey orks forever and loving it
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