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jokes posted:Why in the world is Ivalice supposed to be pronounced "Ee-va-lees" that is truly absurd to me. Not as bad as Tidus IMO. What other weird name pronunciations could the early FFs be hiding? I bet Rinoa is actually pronounced like quinoa.
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jokes posted:Why in the world is Ivalice supposed to be pronounced "Ee-va-lees" that is truly absurd to me. No one is stopping you from pronouncing it however you want, let go of prescriptivism
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Mar 19, 2019 17:50
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Randallteal posted:Not as bad as Tidus IMO. What other weird name pronunciations could the early FFs be hiding? I bet Rinoa is actually pronounced like quinoa. I always said Zih-Dayne and not Zih-Dahn.
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Mar 19, 2019 18:05
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As a kid I just pronounced names the way they were written because that's how civilized languages work.
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Mar 19, 2019 18:14
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My friends and I must have been illiterate because FFT was our favorite game ever by chocobos were chickaboos and Delita was pronounced Dee-tail-ya to us. Like, to the point he is still Detaila in my brain.
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Mar 19, 2019 18:16
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Me and two separate groups of friends playing the game independently thought Ramza's last name was belouve and not beoulve. It wasn't until an LP I saw recently started pronouncing his name all weird until I looked at it and saw how it was actually spelled. I pronounce Ivalice wrong too but I will die on that hill.
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Mar 19, 2019 18:19
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jokes posted:Why in the world is Ivalice supposed to be pronounced "Ee-va-lees" that is truly absurd to me. Because in most languages, i is usually pronounced like ee. English is weird.
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Mar 19, 2019 18:28
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Me and two separate groups of friends playing the game independently thought Ramza's last name was belouve and not beoulve. It wasn't until an LP I saw recently started pronouncing his name all weird until I looked at it and saw how it was actually spelled. Oh my god. You literally just taught me that. What the gently caress? How was I getting all the names wrong?
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Mar 19, 2019 18:30
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Fister Roboto posted:Because in most languages, i is usually pronounced like ee. English is weird. Because of the Great Vowel Shift. quote:English has a weird vowel system because of the Great Vowel Shift, but for any other unfamiliar language your best option is to pronounce the vowels as in Spanish or Italian. This basically means to pronounce “i” like “ee” in see, “e” like “ay” in play, “a” like “a” in la, “o” like “o” in go, and “u” like “oo” in too. quote:Long vowels in Middle English had "continental" values, much like those in Italian and Standard German; in standard Modern English, they have entirely different pronunciations.[8] The differing pronunciations of English vowel letters do not stem from the Great Shift as such but from the fact that English spelling failed to be adapted to the changes. German had undergone vowel changes quite similar to the Great Shift in a slightly earlier period but the spelling was changed accordingly (e.g. Middle High German bīzen → modern German beißen "to bite").
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Mar 19, 2019 19:20
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alpha_destroy posted:My friends and I must have been illiterate because FFT was our favorite game ever by chocobos were chickaboos and Delita was pronounced Dee-tail-ya to us. Like, to the point he is still Detaila in my brain. As a kid I misread Returners in FF6 and pronounced it "Ret-runners". The first time I played it as an adult, I had no idea how I was so dumb earlier but suddenly the name made a lot more sense. Also Ivalice seems fine to me. How else would you spell it? "Ev-" would be pronounced with a short e by everyone, and "Eev-" or "Eav-" look way worse.
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Mar 19, 2019 19:22
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Randallteal posted:Not as bad as Tidus IMO. What other weird name pronunciations could the early FFs be hiding? I bet Rinoa is actually pronounced like quinoa. Reenwa, Squale, and Zeal are a lot of people's 'standard' teams but folks often misjudge the power behind Kweyestees and Selp Hi's limits, not to mention Eye Are Vinny's fun ammo system.
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Mar 19, 2019 19:25
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Fun fact: Squall is short of Pasquall.
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Mar 19, 2019 19:44
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My regular party was the Squall/Zell/Irvine sausage fest.
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Mar 19, 2019 19:47
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ulmont posted:“e” like “ay” in play, “o” like “o” in go Yeah nah don't make diphthongs out of vowels it's most likely to be all wrong TIA 
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Mar 19, 2019 19:52
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This is Final Fantasy, everything is wrong.
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Mar 19, 2019 19:54
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Jerry Cotton posted:Yeah nah don't make diphthongs out of vowels it's most likely to be all wrong TIA The author was trying to get the sound across to a lay audience. The relevant IPA is just /eː/, if you want to get technical.
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Mar 19, 2019 20:05
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ulmont posted:The author was trying to get the sound across to a lay audience. Well he did an absolute poo poo job at it and managed to spread disinformation instead of anything helpful so he should be smacked.
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Mar 19, 2019 20:17
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I just did the train fight in 6 for the first time Gaming peaked in 1996 or whatever, I suplexed a loving train
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Mar 19, 2019 20:51
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I also am playing through 6 (and 5) before XII drops on Switch. These are just really great games.
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Mar 19, 2019 21:01
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I just did the train fight in 6 for the first time no argument here, every high level 'cool' moment in games since then has at best reached that level of cool, never bettered.
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Mar 19, 2019 21:08
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jokes posted:I also am playing through 6 (and 5) before XII drops on Switch. These are just really great games. 5 owns hard. Fiesta time is only 2 and half months away! 
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Mar 19, 2019 21:21
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I've never played 4 or 5. Be honest with me, here, how good are they?
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Mar 19, 2019 21:49
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S.J. posted:I've never played 4 or 5. Be honest with me, here, how good are they? I think IV was very revolutionary at the time it was released, but now everything it does is pretty JRPG standard and done better, so I find it pretty dull. FFV was and continues to be an extremely well-crafted gameplay experience with crazy replay value (see the annual Final Fantasy Five Four Job Fiesta), and is very good. The game can be beaten with every job combination (and usually with no or minimal level grinding) due to the many tricks as your disposal, and yet can continue to feel challenging, which is a sign of Very Good Design. Schwartzcough fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Mar 19, 2019 |
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Mar 19, 2019 21:55
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Schwartzcough posted:I think IV was very revolutionary at the time it was released, but now everything is does is pretty JRPG standard and done better, so I find it pretty dull. FFV is and continues to be an extremely well-crafted gameplay experience with crazy replay value (see the annual Final Fantasy Five Four Job Fiesta), and is very good. The game can be beaten with every job combination (and usually with no or minimal level grinding) due to the many tricks as your disposal, and yet can continue to feel challenging, which is a sign of Very Good Design. I still love 4, but it is almost entirely linear and there isn't really any thing to do differently in any given play through. Simple but iconic story that has been done many times since. 5, I didn't love it as a game but the Fiesta really elevates it.
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Mar 19, 2019 22:23
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4 is a textbook 90's era JRPG, and it wrote that book. It's got some issues, but it's still got gameplay and story that mostly holds up. The job system is pretty awesome in 5, but despite multiple attempts on multiple releases I couldn't ever get into the game.
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Mar 19, 2019 22:29
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The main things that help 5 are that it plays very fast and while some classes are better than others there are no bad choices (aside from quad berserkers) and changing around is very easy. It's not one of those games where you need to start the game with endgame in mind (the downside of FF12Zodiac's jobs, which rears its head again every time you get a new summon or want to consider a quickening), or where everybody moves very slowly in hour-long basically-cutscenes and you need to get halfway through the game before you unlock the stuff that makes it interesting. After three fights you've got 3/4 of your party, get the 4th after the first cave which is maybe half a dozen fights, and then you have another half dozen fights and a boss before you start getting job options to play around with. In general it's the game I've replayed the most thanks to the Fiesta so I don't know if I've just adjusted to it, but it seems wonderfully paced in that most things don't overstay their welcome (a couple of dungeons you need to walk back out of if you don't have warp) and in the beginning every time jobs start feeling a little old you get a new set of them to play with.
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Mar 19, 2019 22:34
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:4 is a textbook 90's era JRPG, and it wrote that book. It's got some issues, but it's still got gameplay and story that mostly holds up. Same on 5. As someone who loves theorycrafting job loadouts in games like FFT and FF12, I expected it to totally be my jam, but it just never managed to sink its hooks into me. I played 4 for the first time a year or so ago, well after I played most other FF games. It struck me as an ideal introductory JRPG - easy to follow story, likeable characters, no complicated character progression systems to gently caress up. But that lack of customization also means that its replay value is very limited.
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Mar 19, 2019 22:35
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The first really good final fantasy is honestly 6
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Mar 19, 2019 22:37
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S.J. posted:I've never played 4 or 5. Be honest with me, here, how good are they? So I just finished 4 and 9 together, and I agree with everyone that 4 is the seed from which Square's current good/bad habits grew. It's an epic game wtih a lot of iconic moments, but it's very self-indulgent and goes back to the well a bit too much. It vacilates between having too much padding and moving very quickly. The battle system is a proof of concept for 6, bred from the concepts in 3. I prefer the deep Job-based systems of V, Tactics, and X to some degree, but it's still fun to play. 4 is definitely worth playing and I'm glad I did.
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Mar 19, 2019 22:38
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corn in the bible posted:The first really good final fantasy is honestly 6 6-9 is the golden era.
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Mar 19, 2019 22:47
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S.J. posted:I've never played 4 or 5. Be honest with me, here, how good are they?
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Mar 19, 2019 23:03
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Due to 4's rigidity, I also think it has the strongest 'character development through gameplay mechanics' than the rest of the series. A lot of the details in 4 wouldn't work in something open like 1, or as flexible as 5. spoilers, of course, for examples Cecil's overcoming his darkness through defence and pacifism Telah being a decrepit old sage, regaining his spell casting ability while being too frail to use it properly, and finally exerting himself to death in his quest for vengeance Palom and Porum getting stoned Rosa's entire class and basically the entirety of her development from her devotion to Cecil None of these would work if their classes were substantially different. It doesn't make something you're going to come back to, but it's still a game you can appreciate on its own merit, and then move on from.
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Mar 19, 2019 23:17
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They're all good at being bad
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Mar 20, 2019 00:22
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I'm playing 4 for the first time right now and I love it mostly because of the bad translation
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Mar 20, 2019 06:36
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Due to 4's rigidity, I also think it has the strongest 'character development through gameplay mechanics' than the rest of the series.
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Mar 20, 2019 06:45
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I think that 4, in my brain, is the first Final Fantasy because it's so by-the-book. It's funny how the job system that FF is sort of known for isn't prevalent in all their games. Only 2, 3, 5, 12 (but not at launch?), and 11/14. In all the other games, the job system is just reduced to a name next to each character and maybe a special attack option.
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Mar 20, 2019 07:47
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jokes posted:I think that 4, in my brain, is the first Final Fantasy because it's so by-the-book. It's funny how the job system that FF is sort of known for isn't prevalent in all their games. Only 2, 3, 5, 12 (but not at launch?), and 11/14. In all the other games, the job system is just reduced to a name next to each character and maybe a special attack option. is FF known for having a job system? obviously some of the games do, but I'd think it's more known for the fantasy plots, random battles, summons, and general plot craziness. you don't get to pick the jobs in 9, but they all clearly have them. 7 and 8 are the only ones I can think of where the characters are truly interchangeable, save for limits
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jokes posted:I think that 4, in my brain, is the first Final Fantasy because it's so by-the-book. It's funny how the job system that FF is sort of known for isn't prevalent in all their games. Only 2, 3, 5, 12 (but not at launch?), and 11/14. In all the other games, the job system is just reduced to a name next to each character and maybe a special attack option. two doesn't really have a job system does it? 1, 3, 5 11, 12(zodiac) 13(and sequels 13-2 and LR), and 14 do. Also tactics(original a1, and a2), x-2. 13+ games.
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