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i had the exact same hangup at my last job which was a shitshow and-qhat posted:Let me tell you how long it took me to get over leaving my previous company that I was fond of. ^ ^ ^ ^
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lol the recruiter just got back to me with "i'll try to get the increase you asked for, but to be totally transparent, i've never heard of an adjustment that significant." i asked for 4% over their offer. i'm not mad, he's not lying any more than i was
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Mar 19, 2019 02:54
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raminasi posted:lol the recruiter just got back to me with "i'll try to get the increase you asked for, but to be totally transparent, i've never heard of an adjustment that significant." Hahahaha a $7k adjustment is beyond the pale for them? They're puttin' you on On the other hand I've had a company abruptly stop negotiations and rescind a verbal offer when I asked for $5k over their offer (or, barring that, a weekend to consider) so what do I know
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Not a Children posted:Hahahaha a $7k adjustment is beyond the pale for them? They're puttin' you on You know that was a trash company and gently caress them.
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Mar 19, 2019 15:58
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Not a Children posted:Hahahaha a $7k adjustment is beyond the pale for them? They're puttin' you on the only thing I can think of is that the counter was so little of an increase that they knew it was a token and I didn’t actually care but if they yank it because of that then hoo boy that’d eclipse every green flag I’ve seen from them so far
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Mar 19, 2019 16:27
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ratbert90 posted:You know that was a trash company and gently caress them. Oh yes. Besides that, they were originally interviewing me for a senior position with a higher salary on offer but they pulled the bait and switch on me when I told them I would want some time to learn their processes and standards before I'd be comfortable stamping their drawings, saying that I didn't have enough experience for the senior role but I could totally get there soon!!!! I had sketch vibes the whole way through, so they probably did me a favor by yanking the offer raminasi posted:the only thing I can think of is that the counter was so little of an increase that they knew it was a token and I didn’t actually care Pulling an offer for something like that is a grade-A-moron shoot-themselves-in-the-dick power play. If they do, gently caress 'em.
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Mar 19, 2019 16:33
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Well, looks like I might have an onsite soon 
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Mar 19, 2019 22:34
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iospace posted:Well, looks like I might have an onsite soon nice. recruiter for company that set up on site called me today to tell me "CTO had some ideas this weekend and we're changing the way we hire for mobile roles so we'll get back to you once that process is settled." I guess I dodged a bullet?? Also someone is surprise quitting the iOS team and suddenly everyone is being nice to me while giving me his work. I feel like I should say no unless I get taken of the performance plan. Can't wait to get the gently caress out of here too. anyways why would a company(big mobile payments co) have a 6 hour on site? that sounds so miserable i almost want to bomb the pair programming(no i don't i need money)
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Mar 19, 2019 23:09
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KidDynamite posted:nice. Of course they're nice to you because they want something from you. I don't know, is it even possible to get off a PIP? Why bother caring if they're going to get rid of you anyway? gently caress 'em! n.b. I don't know what I'm doing, don't listen to me.
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So  check-in, a few days into my new job and it’s going really well. They don’t seem to feel like NOC Jocks need to be doing something all the time (which invariably leads to problems when the busy work means we’re not watching whatever it is that’s being monitored).Seems good? 
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Mar 20, 2019 12:45
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Check in: that's 5/5 no thank yous, now I have nothing in the pipeline and need to start emailing recruiters again.
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Mar 20, 2019 13:18
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gonadic io posted:Check in: that's 5/5 no thank yous, now I have nothing in the pipeline and need to start emailing recruiters again. Keep going friend. I'm in the same boat, bunch of no thank yous(including one this am), and a rescinded invite for on-site. This is not helping with my impostor syndrome 
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Mar 20, 2019 15:19
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KidDynamite posted:a rescinded invite for on-site. if it’s any consolation, there’s basically no way this could have been because of you personally
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gonadic io posted:Check in: that's 5/5 no thank yous, now I have nothing in the pipeline and need to start emailing recruiters again. keep at it, its a wild and unfun game, but you get paid at the end eventually at least
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Mar 20, 2019 15:38
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I quit my hotel, I will start devving on 22nd of April. I don't know how to program, but by God, I will succeed! Thanks for the T&P's, これからもよろしくお願いします
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Piano Maniac posted:I quit my hotel, I will start devving on 22nd of April. I don't know how to program, but by God, I will succeed!
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gonadic io posted:Check in: that's 5/5 no thank yous, now I have nothing in the pipeline and need to start emailing recruiters again. Seconding the keep at it, its a numbers game.
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Mar 20, 2019 16:10
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2k base increase, 10k more signing. is it huge? no. was it awkward? a little. did i have to do more than frown for 60 seconds and ask a question to get it? gently caress no.
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Mar 20, 2019 22:12
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raminasi posted:2k base increase, 10k more signing. is it huge? no. was it awkward? a little. did i have to do more than frown for 60 seconds and ask a question to get it? gently caress no. Nice! Can I ask where you're located and what type of company? I don't see base salaries that high very often, usually they're heavier on stock. Of course, I'm not in SF or NYC.
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Mar 20, 2019 22:32
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Fart Johnson posted:Nice! Can I ask where you're located and what type of company? I don't see base salaries that high very often, usually they're heavier on stock. Of course, I'm not in SF or NYC. health care tech in nyc. it’s more base than I was expecting too but I’m not gonna complain. I’m still gonna be a little nervous until I sign the offer tonight
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Mar 20, 2019 22:35
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raminasi posted:health care tech in nyc. it’s more base than I was expecting too but I’m not gonna complain. I am always nervous as gently caress until the moment I sit at my desk and get a key card lol
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Mar 20, 2019 22:57
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raminasi posted:2k base increase, 10k more signing. is it huge? no. was it awkward? a little. did i have to do more than frown for 60 seconds and ask a question to get it? gently caress no. You just made 12k for an hour's worth of work. Congrats.
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Does anyone have good questions or advice for intuition-building around comparing offers from startups vs more established companies? In past interview cycles I've only interviewed either exclusively at small places or exclusively at big places. Obviously if you're going to a public company then you have a rough idea of how high your figgies will stack just by checking the stock price and praying for not too much variability. And, I guess given my past experience I'm content with going to small places, taking whatever offer they throw at me, and hope for mega stock splits down the road or something. This time, though, I kind of have to do an apples-to-apples comparison against: - X (~1500 employees, series E, 785M raised, ~20B valuation) - Y (~80 employees, series C, 70M raised, ??? valuation) - Z (~80 employees, series C, 170M raised ~1.1B valuation) The problem here is that this set's spread is pretty wide here so I don't know how to tackle comparing these just from a "how much cheddar is going to come out the other end" perspective. What sorts of things would you ask here? Is it simple enough to ask about "valuation multiplied by percentage of ownership", or is that an easily-massagable metric?
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Dijkstracula posted:Does anyone have good questions or advice for intuition-building around comparing offers from startups vs more established companies? $0
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Mar 21, 2019 16:30
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Value company at 1 p/e. Sucks if you dont have earnings data
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bob dobbs is dead posted:Value company at 1 p/e. Sucks if you dont have earnings data Is earnings data something that one can reasonably ask to see? p/e makes sense (though I guess this biases towards the more established company that is less dependent on VC funding...which is maybe the sensible point after all); at that point I presumably can equate two companies by this over the number of shares (e.g. twice as many shares at a places with half the p/e balances out)? edit: also ty for the response 
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lol if they're venture backed and have earnings that are a positive number
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anyone have a deece offer comparison spreadsheet i can use?
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a series e round is an eyebrow raiser for sure.
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elite_garbage_man posted:a series e round is an eyebrow raiser for sure. ive worked for startups but nothing close to those options
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i guess if nobody is doing IPOs and people from the D round want to cash in...
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JawnV6 posted:idk the last 5 on crunchbase seem legit, redis & databricks? right, like SOMA startup darling slack dot com is up to a series h, so for better or worse an E isn't super out of the question these days
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Dijkstracula posted:Does anyone have good questions or advice for intuition-building around comparing offers from startups vs more established companies? your odds of getting more than a modest bonus out of a successful exit hover around 0 in all three of these scenarios employee shares aren't worth poo poo to put it another way: the smallest of these is looking to piss away $70M in actual cash. they're not google, starving for dollars in their early days. if the employee shares were actually worth as much or more than the par value, why would they give you any shares? It's a sucker's bet.
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ask them what their liquidation preferences look like
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I meant that as something to consider since they've gained some traction. Then again if it's a series E for some company that you've never heard of, it could be a bad sign.
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so my linkedin headline is some poo poo about drinking coffee and programming and this is an intro message i got from a recruiter lmao
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Mar 22, 2019 02:36
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You sure thats not your okcupid profile?
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If you don't pun on "black" it's a missed opportunity.
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Coco13 posted:If you don't pun on "black" it's a missed opportunity. Yeah, they were looking at a six figures steal right there
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I just got to the salary survey in here and having every company ive talked to tell me that asking for $110k with no other perks is pushing it when you guys are all like "yeah i just got $150k with another $200k in stock options and $50k signing bonus. im not crazy about it but beggars can't be choosers" is making me feel some type of way
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