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Nosfereefer posted:Stranding billions of sentient organics that have never experienced want or need on some desert planet does in no way break the prime directive. If anything, we keep that place as an example of the folly of biological sovereignty. I haven't played as a rogue servitor in 2.2, but I would guess population controls for your biotrophies might be in order. I know in previous patches it was easy to produce more of them than really made sense.
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Zig-Zag posted:I think only allowing one ecu power civ is a great idea. Maybe allow you to make a second when you research all the admin cap before repeatables. Also the second scanning idea would be awesome. Allow it to find strategic resources, alloy and trade value. The first step should just be adjusting the ecu district costs to be more in line with normal costs. For example, districts cost the same as 3 basic resource district, and provide 5x the jobs with 5x the upkeep. However, just comparing to city districts, you're paying less than 2 district costs and have the upkeep of 2.5 city districts. So, re-adjust costs to separate out the housing district from the resource districts: it should cost 1500 straight up, though leaving the upkeep at 5 might be ok after accounting for housing districts after tech/traditions. Production districts should cost in-line with production buildings: 2000 minerals. Upkeep needs to be higher as well, 20 is a lot closer to what you'd expect (production factories are 4 energy for 2 jobs). This'd still be cheaper than the equivalent production factories, and we've doubled the base cost and quadrupled the upkeep. Note that this is one of those things that makes habs feel so much weaker: their costs are 500 with 2 upkeep per district, which tend to give you 2-3 jobs. So you're spending 1500 with 6 upkeep for 9 jobs while taking up 3 district slots.
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Dreissi posted:I haven't played as a rogue servitor in 2.2, but I would guess population controls for your biotrophies might be in order. I know in previous patches it was easy to produce more of them than really made sense. Yeah, I picked Nihilistic Acquisition as my first, as I thought that made a lot of sense from a RP-kind-of-perspective. Turns out there are too many organics out there, and we can't keep pace with our zoos.
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ZypherIM posted:The first step should just be adjusting the ecu district costs to be more in line with normal costs. Im usually swimming in minerals by mid game but yes the math should add up better it would give me more stuff to spend my minerals on. What are your thoughts on tieing ecus to mega engineering? That would make its more of a late game thing and could come in time to ramp up production for the end game crises.
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Baron Porkface posted:How and when did the dessanu fall in dev clash? The space horses waited until no-one was watching and slaughtered them for lebensraum, thus cementing their position as the primary power in the galaxy. It was four or five episodes ago I think.
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Zig-Zag posted:What are your thoughts on tieing ecus to mega engineering? That would make its more of a late game thing and could come in time to ramp up production for the end game crises. I hate everything being gated behind mega engineering already.
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Mar 23, 2019 20:38
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ulmont posted:I hate everything being gated behind mega engineering already. This, pretty much. Finding an abandoned Ringworld, Nexus, whatever is pretty much fluff at this point. Even if I try to rush the relevant techs, that old derelict structure is never going to make a difference. e: finding the remains of a megastructure should at least make the tech permanently available. Most of the tech is completely theoretical anyway, so having an example of the principles in your space for constant reference is a no brainer. Nosfereefer fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Mar 23, 2019 |
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Mar 23, 2019 20:44
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Honestly I'd like to see galactic wonders et all just give mega-engineering as a tech option and require it for building anything instead of it being a requirement for the perk (they'd still require the pre-requisites for mega-engineering). You still have to research the tech to use the perk, but as soon as you take it it's always an option to research. Because yeah, it's incredibly frustrating to get otherwise.
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Zig-Zag posted:Im usually swimming in minerals by mid game but yes the math should add up better it would give me more stuff to spend my minerals on. Pretty much what bremen said. Mega engineering is one of the stupidest techs in the game, to the point where taking a perk just to have the tech card force spawn is a legit strategy. Anti-grav tech should get shuffled up to t4 tech like climate restoration, and that'd be fine to delay them a bit longer. The thing with mega engineering is that you're probably going to be gated by alloy requirements anyways, so being able to start megastructures earlier isn't a huge deal. Ruined megastructures and the first league ecu should spawn an event (like alien encounters) that unlock a tech card that gives a tech to repair/restore them (make it t3 tech, then make the ruined/first league ecu not as good as a normal one).
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Mar 23, 2019 20:55
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Even just finding an old dyson sphere should give some bonuses outside of the invisible card draw stuff. At least some kind of "hey, this panel is still operational" +30 energy. As it stands it's completely useless for 200+ years. e: Or they should generate a shitton of research. Finding an old ruin gives nothing but an icon on the map. We get bonuses for studying space poop, so why doesn't an ancient Megastructure inspire something? Nosfereefer fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Mar 23, 2019 |
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It could even be event-based, e.g. "the engineers stationed at the ruin managed to reactivate *something*". e: my point is that something that weird would be studied to hell and back. No single scientist would go "oh an old dyson sphere, noice, we'll get back to that in a few generations" Nosfereefer fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Mar 23, 2019 |
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Mar 23, 2019 21:22
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I agree on all of those points. Mega Engineering is a bad requirement since it's so late, and gating the structures behind it is frustrating. I would rather the perk give a huge bonus to researching megastructures as well as force the card if it isn't already researched, and then put each structure behind a new tech.
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Mar 23, 2019 21:32
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Nosfereefer posted:Even just finding an old dyson sphere should give some bonuses outside of the invisible card draw stuff. At least some kind of "hey, this panel is still operational" +30 energy. As it stands it's completely useless for 200+ years. For real, an ancient dyson sphere or ring world would be a huge research opportunity, moreso than any anomaly that you can find normally. It's also weird that finding a megastructure doesn't unlock any tech options. We can quickly study the debris left behind by a ship and suddenly have a new concept for how to build rockets or lasers that requires some tech effort to fully unlock, but can't do the same for being able to repair megastructures? It could be a repeatable tech even, so fully refurbishing a ring world or part of a dyson sphere is a ton of research and construction effort but getting some minimal functionality out of it doesn't require as much. QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Mar 23, 2019 |
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Mar 23, 2019 22:39
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IMO Megastructure repair should just be tied to starbase tech, or something similarly tiered. So you can at least start fixing up the Sentry Array you might have found.
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Mar 23, 2019 22:45
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Just played through for the first time since Le Guin. So after a certain point the AI still won't expand to systems next to it anymore, and still ignored pirates in their own territory for years. I'm guessing these are just unfixable problems? Which seems weird? Also are they planning to simplify planet management? It's more immersive now, which is great, but at even greater costs in the AI being unable to play the game and in the player having to engage in extreme micromanagement.
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Discovering a ruined megastructure or ecumenopolis should start off as a semi-powerful research site. The structure/planet is basically uninhabitable due to the state of decay; it's been sitting there for millions of years and was the result of engineering capabilities far beyond you, of course you can't just move into Fen Habbanis and immediately start up the alloy foundries; not only are they ruined due to neglect but you also wouldn't even know how they work, it's all alien! Discovering one of these lets you build a Xenoarchaeology Post, kind of like an Observation Post but for ancient alien megastructures. Once you have a Xenoarchaeology Post built you can begin to access a tech tree (Ancient Structure Restoration) that unlocks additional features of the megastructure or ecumenopolis. Each level reduces the post's science output but gives you a big alternative benefit; as you figure out how to use these alien structures, you begin to learn less from them but get some of the benefits of using them for their intended use. Dyson spheres supply some energy. Ringworlds and Fen Habbanis can be inhabited, but with huge penalties to habitability and production, and they have several unremovable blockers that limit their usefulness (e.g. you're still not using those foundry arcologies yet, but you can at least have clerks and people living in these huge empty structures; that's something). Higher levels of Ancient Structure Restoration allow you to start removing those blockers, and the habitability and production penalties decrease. The last level of the tech unlocks the full capabilities of the original structure, but you still have a small habitability and production penalty; these are still mysterious alien structures, after all, and you'll probably never completely understand them, but you're still getting enormous benefits out of them. Maybe there's a decision to be made between modifying the habitability to 100% or completely removing the production penalties. Unlocking the ability to build these structures yourself (via the normal tech/perk options) lets you completely rehabilitate the structure; you're basically replacing whatever machinery the aliens left behind with your own stuff.
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So I'm a new player to the game. It's cool and I'm enjoying it but I have a question: So I'm playing the Homolog which means I want to assimilate everything. I conquered a primitive world and they've been assimilating for like 25 years, despite the tooltip saying that 3-12 would assimilate per year and there are only 25 pop there. I can't even tell what the progress is. There's high unemployment rate because those being assimilated cannot work? I keep getting the event that drones are being deviant and putting them into idle mode is a huge energy drain, and it doesn't make sense thematically as there are no robots yet to go rogue. So I have this planet I'm just staring at wondering what to do. Is there something I'm missing about the assimilation process?
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SettingSun posted:So I'm a new player to the game. It's cool and I'm enjoying it but I have a question: So I'm playing the Homolog which means I want to assimilate everything. I conquered a primitive world and they've been assimilating for like 25 years, despite the tooltip saying that 3-12 would assimilate per year and there are only 25 pop there. I can't even tell what the progress is. There's high unemployment rate because those being assimilated cannot work? I keep getting the event that drones are being deviant and putting them into idle mode is a huge energy drain, and it doesn't make sense thematically as there are no robots yet to go rogue. So I have this planet I'm just staring at wondering what to do. Is there something I'm missing about the assimilation process? Have you tried just clicking on them in the species section? Sometimes the game is a little buggy on when it actually switches pops back from assimilation.
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I'd like if planet development was a bit more organic feeling instead of "You have X pops you can build another thing". Like if there was a Planetary Development score based on how many pops you have, what proportion of the planet's districts you've built, are there any tile blockers left, how long it's been colonised etc, and that's what unlocked extra buildings. Then building an ecu could require a planet of a minimum development score rather than just selling all your farms and replace them with cities.
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Excuse me, sir? What do you think about those Imperium Of Technology guys. (me) Well I mean sure they blew up a couple of planets but they respect kids so eh, they seem alright I guess? 
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Ak Gara posted:Excuse me, sir? What do you think about those Imperium Of Technology guys. (me) I believe that is actually them approving of your blowing up planets. But not, weirdly, star systems?
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Ak Gara posted:Excuse me, sir? What do you think about those Imperium Of Technology guys. (me) actually that shows that they're saying 'sure they've obliterated a few stars but they do respect kids and destroy planets at least'
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Splicer posted:I'd like if planet development was a bit more organic feeling instead of "You have X pops you can build another thing". Like if there was a Planetary Development score based on how many pops you have, what proportion of the planet's districts you've built, are there any tile blockers left, how long it's been colonised etc, and that's what unlocked extra buildings. Then building an ecu could require a planet of a minimum development score rather than just selling all your farms and replace them with cities. It's weird to have all the people self sort but then the Deep State decides what kind of factory to build next. It would be sweet if it just did its own thing. As a bonus that would mean many of the currencies players juggle (alloys, gems, gases, etc) could just go away or get minimized. Having to manually choose between what currency to get a few more of each time a planet gets 5 more pops does not feel like a fun or meaningful decision. Basically I like the immersion of seeing my pops run around but I hate having to pause every three seconds to do a bunch of central planning that seems to have marginal yet unpredictable effects.
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Also I started a game as a regular machine empire and spawned in the First League anomaly area and also right next to the KILLBOTS empire I had made and we are friends
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Best Friends posted:It's weird to have all the people self sort but then the Deep State decides what kind of factory to build next. It would be sweet if it just did its own thing. As a bonus that would mean many of the currencies players juggle (alloys, gems, gases, etc) could just go away or get minimized. Having to manually choose between what currency to get a few more of each time a planet gets 5 more pops does not feel like a fun or meaningful decision.
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PittTheElder posted:IMO Megastructure repair should just be tied to starbase tech, or something similarly tiered. So you can at least start fixing up the Sentry Array you might have found. This is a really elegant and sweet idea. It will neatly dovetail in with you getting your own MS built from scratch at the end of it too. EDIT: The War in Heaven is now going in our favor. I blocked the expansion of the materialist faction with a planet that I had stacked armies on, which they got caught up on long enough for me to rebuild the fleet and start mass-producing torpedo-corvettes. Meanwhile, my federation allies kept the spiritualists busy on my western border with a back-and-forth attritional battle that they somehow managed to keep stable. Our isolated southern member also has been eating them from behind. Right now I'm going to focus on clearing out the south-east corner of the map, and then we'll swing around to the east to clear them out for good. Xerxes17 fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Mar 24, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:I believe that is actually them approving of your blowing up planets. Ah, true. Also, I guess everyone hates it when you ruin their favorite constellation?
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Xerxes17 posted:This is a really elegant and sweet idea. It will neatly dovetail in with you getting your own MS built from scratch at the end of it too. I wish the random mishmash of factions in my game could do this with the one Doctrine Enforcer that is running around making GBS threads up the galactic west. I blew my load too early and ended up needing to bend the knee, and now I'm stuck waiting for decadence to kick in to rebel. It feels like they should be hitting the penalties hard, but they still have north of 500k fleet power running around. Mind you, it never kicked off a war in heaven, which is part of the problem. The other two fallen are just sitting there like lumps.
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SettingSun posted:So I'm a new player to the game. It's cool and I'm enjoying it but I have a question: So I'm playing the Homolog which means I want to assimilate everything. I conquered a primitive world and they've been assimilating for like 25 years, despite the tooltip saying that 3-12 would assimilate per year and there are only 25 pop there. I can't even tell what the progress is. There's high unemployment rate because those being assimilated cannot work? I keep getting the event that drones are being deviant and putting them into idle mode is a huge energy drain, and it doesn't make sense thematically as there are no robots yet to go rogue. So I have this planet I'm just staring at wondering what to do. Is there something I'm missing about the assimilation process? According to Darkrenown there is currently a bug with assimilation. quote:As a workaround if you aren't in ironman you can select a planet and run "event action.65" via the console. Note that this is the yearly "convert 3-12 pops" event, so you will need to run it multiple times to convert everyone. Shadowlyger fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Mar 24, 2019 |
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I do agree that it's sad that too much "cool stuff" is right at the end of the game when you've effectively won. Maybe if you could only build one megastructure (until later) so it's forcing you down a specific path?
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QuarkJets posted:Discovering a ruined megastructure or ecumenopolis should start off as a semi-powerful research site. The structure/planet is basically uninhabitable due to the state of decay; it's been sitting there for millions of years and was the result of engineering capabilities far beyond you, of course you can't just move into Fen Habbanis and immediately start up the alloy foundries; not only are they ruined due to neglect but you also wouldn't even know how they work, it's all alien! Discovering one of these lets you build a Xenoarchaeology Post, kind of like an Observation Post but for ancient alien megastructures.
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Splicer posted:DarkRenown said he hoped to have alien archaeology be a thing going forward, I could see that being rolled up into it. I had a situation where literally the first system by guys encountered was a ruined Dyson sphere, that should have shaped my entire species. I think DR and Mune have been moved to the secret new Victoria 3 project, so my assumption is now that we'd have seen "Alien Archeology" as something in that Dev Diary and we didn't. Which is a shame.
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Taear posted:I think DR and Mune have been moved to the secret new Victoria 3 project, so my assumption is now that we'd have seen "Alien Archeology" as something in that Dev Diary and we didn't. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-141-exploring-the-future.1155962/ Archaeology: Explore the ruins of ancient civilizations
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Splicer posted:WIz and Mune moved, DR is our last stellaris goon dev. You're right it wasn't DR who said Alien Archaelogy though it was grekulf: Oh that's cool, I was so sure someone that had left had mentioned it in here. I think I was getting confused about the time someone brought up that finding a ruined structure didn't trigger the "we aren't alone" event.
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Taear posted:Oh that's cool, I was so sure someone that had left had mentioned it in here.
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Shadowlyger posted:According to Darkrenown there is currently a bug with assimilation. Thanks for this. That did the trick.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I agree on all of those points. Mega Engineering is a bad requirement since it's so late, and gating the structures behind it is frustrating. There's a mod that gates each megastructure behind other existing perks. Navy megastructure behind Galactic Force Projection, science facility behind Tech Ascension, art sculpture behind One Vision, etc.
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So I colonize this planet. Turns out there's abandoned terraforming stuff on it. Flip that switch, whoops turned it into a tomb world and "millions of colonists die".  I'm going to try to colonize it again. Hey, there's a mysterious vault on the planet; let's see what's inside! Oh, it's full of mutants who conquer the planet and the whole colony dies while my armies are en route. What could possibly go wrong on a third try?
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Found a bug that took me surprisingly long to work around/fix. I was looking through the expansion planner after colonizing a few other worlds, and I was surprised to see a large planet, two jumps from my homeworld, which was the right planet class for my founding species. I immediately thought "how have I not colonized this already?", then saw that the planet already had a planned colony. I didn't have any colony ships under construction or en route, and there didn't seem to be any way to colonize that planet, since I couldn't clear the "planned colony" flag. I even attempted some save game editing, but none of my modifications had any effect. I finally noticed an out-of-place symbol in the outliner, next to the name of my homeworld starbase (Cevant Station):  I had given the order to colonize that planet in the past, from that planet's screen -- so the colony ship would be built from the nearest shipyard and automatically colonize. I didn't pay attention to which shipyard was building that ship, and replaced it with a trade hub while that colony ship was under construction. Evidently that ship stayed in a phantom shipyard queue, and the only way I found to fix this was to build a new shipyard in that station (then swap it back for a trade hub afterward).
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Lysidas posted:Found a bug that took me surprisingly long to work around/fix.
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