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Max Wilco posted:Isn't Overlord basically the isekai anime everyone's describing, where it's like, I Got Transported into My Dying MMO Game, but I Realized I'm Not a Good Fighter/Wizard, so I Have To Use My Mid-Level Office Management/Salary Man Skills to Survive! Kinda. It's not actually the same MMO world, his guild's fortress, The Tomb of Nazarick (and everything in it), are just somehow in a different fantasy world where most of the same rules apply for magic along with all the legions of absolutely-loyal NPC characters and minions his guild created as guardians and assistants. He's mostly plotting World Domination using his MMO PvP experience rather than anything drawn from his actual life in the real world (he was part of the top guild in the game for the Evil faction), and trying to do things very cautiously just in case there are other players in the "new" world with him on par with what he's capable of as a max-level Sorcerer with a cache of raid drops, crafted items, and holiday toys. That and a healthy dose of "uh... yes, that's exactly my plan!" when his core advisors start making guesses at what his next step is because he's flying by the seat of his pants on the whole World Domination thing. The World Domination thing's also a long-term way to try and see if there are actually any other players in the world with him by flying the banner of his old game guild as their flag. It's very good and well worth a watch if you just want a straight fantasy show, because it does not pull punches about the main characters faction basically being Lawful Evil. They won't just go killing civilians for fun, mostly because the protagonist says not to, but when they're working to a goal a lot of secondary characters die ignominiously and horribly. The show also likes to set aside a few mini-arcs across an episode or two following nice groups of people who're generally just trying to get by as Adventurers, or soldiers for the King's army, and they all often end in "and then they got in the way of someone from the Tomb of Nazarick  ".Season 2 drags a bit as it focuses a little too much on secondary characters from the Tomb, but Season 3 has really picked up again and it goes places  .
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Good Dumplings posted:this is every market, we just think we're the smart ones it doesn't work on I feel like gaming has especially idiotic and naked bullshit, whereas other markets at least TRY to disguise their money grabs a bit. Like marketing bullshit works on everyone, duh, but gaming seems to have the most cartoonish and amateur hour stuff going on.
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I'd love to see an Isekai subvert it's central power fantasy and just have the character fail. So many of these Isekai feature people who are, supposedly, losers in the real world. But coming to the fantasy world they suddenly turn into action heroes. The implication seeming that their past lives were miserable because the world was keeping them down. I'd want to see an Isekai where the ultimate outcome is that the character just continues being a loser and gets confronted with the fact that coming to another world did nothing to change that, and that the only way for them to actually improve their lives is to work on themselves.
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Mar 26, 2019 22:44
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The best isekai is obviously army of darkness
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Mar 26, 2019 22:53
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A lot of subversive things kind of only work in concept. They turn out to be rather boring in practice. Though like let people have their power fantasies who cares. They aren’t hurting anyone, like no one whines about the fast and furious movies
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Mar 26, 2019 22:55
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A better subversion that isn't insanely depressing is an isekai where the main character just wants to go home and he hates the dumb anime world he's ended up in.
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I'd like to see more Isekai where the main character is interesting and doesn't put up with the bullshit of the magic world instead of being a terrible person who is all in for slavery.
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Mar 26, 2019 23:08
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Nothing endears people to a character than making him whiny.
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Mar 26, 2019 23:08
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Hated character Luke Skywalker is the biggest one.
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Clerical Terrors posted:I'd love to see an Isekai subvert it's central power fantasy and just have the character fail. This is basically Eva with the exception that Shinji isn't technically taken away to another world, though I suppose he is pulled into the world of his bad dad.
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CharlestheHammer posted:
i never understood the out and out hatred of power fantasy from some critics. like sure of them have pretty problematic elements(depending on the writer and the politics) and its not realistic at all, but humanity loves their uber powerful heroes since the beginning. critique it is fine and good but the out and out "it bad and needs to go" is loving dumb. i dont see anything wrong with something like captain america or BJ blazkowicz loving up tons of nazis. as someone who has to use a wheelchair alot, the whole beginning of TNC was loving awesome as power fantasy, followed by power armor stomping fascists. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Mar 27, 2019 |
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I'd rather not have a subversive anime because they inevitably spawn a thousand imitators that flood the market with schlock trying and failing to ape what made the trendsetter good to begin with. It's too much to ask for without completely dismantling the industry, I know. I'd rather people try new things and push boundaries than to copy what is popular, but it won't happen.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I'd rather not have a subversive anime because they inevitably spawn a thousand imitators that flood the market with schlock trying and failing to ape what made the trendsetter good to begin with. It's too much to ask for without completely dismantling the industry, I know. I'd rather people try new things and push boundaries than to copy what is popular, but it won't happen. No subversive anime cause its the go to excuse for any of them who do things that people take umbrage with, IE this one about a girl who wants to gently caress her brother (BUT WHAT ELSE IS NEW IN THE ANIME UNIVERSE HAAHAHAHAHA) but its a parody of those things as it constantly sexualizes the brother sister incest.
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CharlestheHammer posted:A lot of subversive things kind of only work in concept. They turn out to be rather boring in practice.
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Nerds whine about F&F movies all the drat time. They’re no different than any hero flick but they’re too stupid to realize it.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Imagine the generic Isekai world summoning the Doomslayer instead. Be careful what you wish for. This was more or less the original conceit of Goblin Slayer—Darksoul character dropped into generic JRPG—but in practice, it ended up being a bunch of rape porn and racial supremacy because people are horrible.
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Clerical Terrors posted:I'd love to see an Isekai subvert it's central power fantasy and just have the character fail. Pretty sure that show's called Bojack Horseman. Horsin' Around is the other world.
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Skippy McPants posted:Be careful what you wish for. This was more or less the original conceit of Goblin Slayer—Darksoul character dropped into generic JRPG—but in practice, it ended up being a bunch of rape porn and racial supremacy because people are horrible.
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I finished House of Leaves last night and got 20 seconds into Night Mind's first vid on it and think I'm done after he said it was one of the most influential works of the new millenia.
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CelticPredator posted:Nerds whine about F&F movies all the drat time. They’re no different than any hero flick but they’re too stupid to realize it. Okay, I'm curious, which nerds are whining about Fast and Furious and for what reasons?
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Terrible Opinions posted:people being unable to understand the narrative difference between those two pieces of media is really distressing, and reveals most nerds to be basically illiterate. Between Doom and Goblin Slayer? Yeah, it’s depressing. My point was that you should never underestimate the credulity and incuriousness of nerds. Dark Souls was the kernel which lead to GS and is a great example of what results from uncritically copying an aesthetic without understanding any of the themes. See also: all of the various “Punk” sub genres.
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Clerical Terrors posted:I'd love to see an Isekai subvert it's central power fantasy and just have the character fail.
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WampaLord posted:Okay, I'm curious, which nerds are whining about Fast and Furious and for what reasons? You never encountered nerds acting better than people who like fast and furious movies? It happens a lot. Here’s one from a random google search http://www.city-data.com/forum/automotive/200002-stupid-fast-furious-cliches.html Always think they’re above it. No ones above a f&f movie.
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CelticPredator posted:You never encountered nerds acting better than people who like fast and furious movies? It happens a lot. Nope, everyone I know thinks they're dumb fun at worst, or amazing dumb fun at best, I have literally never heard anyone go "ugh, the fast and the furious movies" Also you didn't have to google for an example, I'm obviously aware that there are a non-zero number of people who hate literally any movie, but you were the one who complained about people complaining, I figured you had an example ready to go 
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Clerical Terrors posted:I'd love to see an Isekai subvert it's central power fantasy and just have the character fail. This is basically Grimgar, although only one supporting character is really dragging around a big sense of wounded protagonist entitlement. The protagonists' first goblin-hunting expedition (translation: a bunch of inept, inexperienced teenagers trying to mug and murder another sentient being so they can get enough money to eat) is going to stick with me for a long time.
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The F&F movies loving own and even if F8/Fate of The furious (yes...) disappointed I still love it. A lot of people go see them for mindless dumb fun, and a lot of people go see them because everybody but Vin Disel is fully in on the joke. The only people outright hating usually come across as if they think the creators don't know exactly what they are doing. 3>5>7>6>1=8>2>4 btw
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Zedd posted:The F&F movies loving own and even if F8/Fate of The furious (yes...) disappointed I still love it. I can respect that ranking, because most people usually let Tokyo Drift fall down lower and it absolutely doesn't deserve it. It introduced the best character, Han! For me personally it would be 5>6>3>7>1>2>8>4. Actually, I'm bumping up 2 a notch just for all the times Tyrese says "breh"
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For whatever reason, the isekai I Got Transported to a Fantasy World, which is Exactly Like The Real World, Except Japan's Domineering Oppressive, Work Culture Has Been Improved, and I Now Have Time and Energy to Focus On Other Things Like My Personal Health or Maybe a Relationship just didn't get great ratings.Fabricated posted:This is basically RE:Zero and it sucks. When I first read this, I thought you were talking about Resident Evil: Zero. 
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WampaLord posted:For me personally it would be 5>6>3>7>1>2>8>4. Actually, I'm bumping up 2 a notch just for all the times Tyrese says "breh" Tyrese and especially Ejecto Seat, Cuz saved 2 from the bottom for me.
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WampaLord posted:I can respect that ranking, because most people usually let Tokyo Drift fall down lower and it absolutely doesn't deserve it. It introduced the best character, Han! I have the exact same ranking, DK.
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Zedd posted:Tyrese and especially Ejecto Seat, Cuz saved 2 from the bottom for me. Oh god, thank you for reminding me about the glorious moment that is Ejecto Seat, Cuz. Big Bob Pataki posted:I have the exact same ranking, DK. Sonny Chiba as the yakuza leader in Tokyo Drift is the best casting in the whole franchise. Tokyo Drift also is great because it's the only one where our main character isn't good at driving at first (well, he's bad at drifting, he's good at normal driving), so he gets to have a Rocky style montage of learning to drift and it owns. ETA like I just hear this song and get loving pumped, that's how good Tokyo Drift is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuJDhFRDx9M WampaLord fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Mar 27, 2019 |
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I can't not put Toyko Drift on top because there is a scene where the non-character love interest says to 30 year old teenager main character that she didn't mind basically being owned by the Yakuza forever and her mother being sold for sexual favours, cause when you drift it's all good, and it's played straight. That and it has Han, It's just equally tryhard serious and just asking you to go with all of it, and Bow-Wow is perfect in the role.
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The Fast franchise owns because 8 was so crushingly disappointing that it made me say with complete sincerity, "with Paul Walker gone, this franchise is missing its heart."
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Brewster is coming back for 9 and they talked about trying to bring Han back so I have hope for 9. 
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Zedd posted:Brewster is coming back for 9 and they talked about trying to bring Han back so I have hope for 9. Why the hell not? They brought Leddy back! Also if 10 doesn't have a car in space, I'm going to be cranky. 
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WampaLord posted:Why the hell not? They brought Leddy back! Just have Dom (one last Ride) pop the NOS so he does the car-on-its-back-wheels thing off a ramp and gravity assist swing by moon to sling into the badguy (Michael Cera). Zedd fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Mar 27, 2019 |
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Mar 27, 2019 02:08
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Justice 4 Han.
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Big Bob Pataki posted:Justice 4 Han. https://twitter.com/jenyamato/status/1110635197525983232 Zedd posted:It's a super overdone cliche now on all of the internet but Fast10 : Your Seatbelts as the space movie would be perfect.  Perfection
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Fast 9: Redline.
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Zedd posted:The F&F movies loving own and even if F8/Fate of The furious (yes...) I am so angry at that right now  .MonsieurChoc posted:Fast 9: Redline. One the one hand, I'd like to see a Hollywood version of Redline, but on the other hand it'd probably wind up looking like Speed Racer...  .
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