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Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Throatwarbler posted:

They (Rover group) actually did have an entire division that cranked out among other things a brand new dohc V6 engine that went into the contemporary Freelander

I didn't realize the Land Rover division actually ever got access to that group. I don't know much about freelanders other than they aren't a thing anymore because they poo poo transmissions to the extent that there are basically no more to be found to make any of them self-propelled again.

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Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

Throatwarbler posted:

Of course they didn't and the engines they did make were all junk, because Rover/British Leyland and all its iterations are just terrible at their one job. Sometimes it's not that complicated.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1292118&i=100

quote:

Someone I know used to work as a spot welder on the Marina line in Cowley.

He was 1 of 8 people on a shift. Each was responsible for a set number of welds in specific places on each car.

They quickly worked out that 1 of them could, for a short time, run up and down their section of line, doing the work of all 8. It was taxing and tiring, but it was possible. So they came up with a scheme where they would work on a rota basis. One would bust their backsides for an hour, then hand over to the next, and so on. At the end of a shift, each had worked like crazy for one hour. and spent the other seven either asleep, or on the many personal manufacturing industries that fluorished at the time, of course run with company tools, materials and time.

The supervisor's attitude was that as long as the line was running and their bit of it wasn't holding anything up, it was none of his business.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Hello fine folks. I'm putting in some early research into buying a second car.

My current one ('05 Honda Civic hatchback type R) is all paid up and in decent shape, but here's some things it's bad at or missing, in rough priority order for me:
- Cargo space (stuff, not people)
- Motorway comfort (racing seats, no cruise control, stiff suspension, high revving)
- Visibility; I'm fairly tall and have to slouch down to get what feels like the intended view out of the windscreen. I often have to look over the rear view mirror rather than under it if it's blocking my view on a left turn.
- Ground clearance (scrapes the underside on speed bumps, and I'm very wary of mounting kerbs)
- Ease of parking (too old for parking sensors or cameras and the 3-door setup means long doors which are a pain in tight car parks)
- MPG
- Turning circle

Anyone have any thoughts for something that might do the trick? Budget is around £7-10k. I'll be keeping the Civic so I don't need to replicate the things it does well. I'm in the UK so vehicles easily available here would be ideal.

If there existed a perfect vehicle for my needs it would have the cargo space of a Transit, the motorway utility of a Tesla, the clearance of a Landrover and the parkability of a Smart car, but sometimes one must compromise.

Jaded Burnout fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Mar 22, 2019

Chillyrabbit
Oct 24, 2012

The only sword wielding rabbit on the internet



Ultra Carp
Looking to upgrade/get a new car

Live in Alberta, Canada (So snow, mud etc is fairly common)

Proposed Budget: 30,000ish CAD
New or Used: Can go for both, preferably new I think to trick out
Body Style: Crossover SUV type
How will you be using the car?: Drive to work, and drive in the outdoors over decently rough/unmaintained types of roads (muddy, gravelly etc), also able to drive up to 500 km in a day.
Do you prefer a luxury vehicle with all the gizmos?) :homebrew: Yes
What aspects are most important to you? I really like Heads up displays

Currently driving a 2014 Mazda 3 GT Sport, basically a Mazda 3 hatchback with luxury trim.

Just testing the waters in what are some good picks for a new car, especially with HUD's. Looking to pick up some more cargo room, as I carry a fair amount of work equipment and it would be nice to be able to use my trunk for personal stuff.

Also sometimes spend entire workdays in the car so being comfortable is a priority.

Shyfted One
May 9, 2008
Proposed Budget: ~$25k (if the mpg is closer to 30 then I could probably justify ~30k)
New or Used: Used (Possibly New for better financing)
Body Style: Sedan/SUV
How will you be using the car?: Commuting to work, which could be by myself or 1 other person for 10-160 miles or crazy poo poo like this week where it was 1,400+ miles with 4 people. There's also hauling equipment for work and/or overnight luggage, but unless the trunk is really small I can probably fit everything I'd need. Based on my current car I probably drive about 27k miles a year. I'm in the Northeast and I'm usually driving early in the morning, so I'm on the roads before the plow trucks really start clearing things. I think I would like AWD again for the peace of mind. I've had a few close calls over the years and the extra cost of gas and maintenance is worth not dying. Our mechanic is across the street from our office, so it's very easy to keep up with oil changes and maintenance.
What aspects are most important to you? Navigation where I can turn off the voice directions (wtf Honda), comfortable seats, reliability, physical buttons for non infotainment stuff, gas mileage (?), Bluetooth (I think this is pretty much standard now?)

I currently have a 2012 Ford Edge 2L EcoBoost that's about to hit 190k miles and I really liked it.

What I liked:
-Comfortable seats. Our other work vehicle was a Honda CRV and I could never get comfortable driving that car for long distances, but the Edge always felt good.
-Having the small infotainment screen on the dashboard next to the speedometer that I could control with steering wheel buttons. Being able to set the navigation (and see what the next direction was), change audio source, and change the temperature/fan without taking my eyes off the road is great.
-Remote start
-Heated seats
-This is more of a Sync thing, but I really like the look and detail of their navigation vs whatever Honda uses
-The breaking system. I barely have to touch the pedal and it starts breaking. This took some getting used to, but I like it now.

What I don't like:
-The backseat is really uncomfortable. I'm not back there often, but it's tough to get comfortable enough to sleep.
-Gas mileage could be better, but I don't know how much better I'd get in something similar going 75-80mph.
-I'm pretty sure they learned their lesson with this as I don't see it in newer models, but the buttons for the climate control panel (below the infotainment screen) were all touch so I had to actively look at what I was doing if I wanted to hit them and they didn't always work either.


I'm going to be doing 90% of the driving of the car so I want something that I enjoy driving and being in. I don't know if a sedan is an option, but I wouldn't mind getting one again. Although I don't know if I'll miss the height of the Edge and being able to see a bit more of what's up ahead. I also don't know if a sedan would be a comfortable option for having 4 people in the car for 450 miles. I'm small, but I have an employee who's 6' 3" and 2 others that large lads.

I'm leaning towards just getting a used 2018 Edge Titanium (most seem to have the 3.5L engine by me) because I'm familiar with them, but I've been looking online at the CX-5, RAV4, and bunch of Subarus as well.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.
You may want to check out a newer CR-V and see if it's more comfortable for you. With the technology package, you get lane keep assist and automatic cruise control, which makes driving long hauls on the interstate really nice. There is a ton of controls in the dash computer that you can toggle with the steering wheel. Don't know about nav, but the head unit comes with Android Auto and Apple Car Play so you can use Maps or Waze or whatever. Turn by turn directions pop up in the dash (as long as Google doesn't push an update that breaks them). My mom has one with the 1.5 turbo, which isn't a lot of power, but gets them around town. Not sure about fuel economy as she mostly does short trips.

New RAV4 has all of that standard, from what I've heard. Can't really go wrong with the Mazdas or Hyundai or Kia, either, though I don't know they're options as well. Forester is an option, but the two people I know with those both had major engine problems at low miles.

Honestly, we sat in the Ford while looking last fall and it felt ancient compared to the other brands. Didn't spend a lot of time in it or drive it.

Uthor fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Mar 23, 2019

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi
Question for which car I should buy as an extra car/beater.

Proposed Budget: Somewhat flexible, but ideally under $20k
New or Used: Used
Body Style: Wagon/Hatchback
How will you be using the car?: Essentially an extra car. We have a Macan for my wife to commute in (25k miles/year) and take trips in, but we need a car for me to occasionally take to work/commute in when the train is delayed/not running, running errands when my wife is on call/can't be without a car, etc. Right now it's just the two of us and a dog, but at some point in the next 2 years we'll probably start having kids.

I'm trying to decide between two cars:

2014 BMW 328xi wagon: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=510715309. Essentially will be 18k OTD.
2013 Volkswagen GTI Driver's Edition: PP around here for $8k + tax = $8500. 100k miles, clean carfax, 6 speed. I used to have a 2010 GTI that was great.

Will be paying cash for either. Am I wrong in thinking the GTI is the better deal for our use case?

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.
I had an 07 GTI and just got a 2016 3-Series wagon.

The wagon is a real nice place to be in. It's a nice and comfortable to drive. The engine has enough oomph for what I need (occasional fun on an on ramp). Lots more tech, but it is ten years newer, so, duh. It's definitely longer and a little wider, but I appreciate the larger trunk area.

Things I miss about the GTI:
-manual transmission
-a tiny bit faster
-definitely more agile (I feel the weight of the BMW when pushing it around a corner)
-tartan cloth seats. Actually, the seats in general were a bit more supportive
-Android Auto (aftermarket) is a toss up with the iDrive
-insurance is more

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Residency Evil posted:

Question for which car I should buy as an extra car/beater.

You're still agonizing over this? Just buy the $15-20k money pit you want knowing it's an unreliable money pit. This is fine as long as you go in with your eyes wide open.

Otherwise you're just going to keep fighting back against super boring recommendations, or not fighting back at all and circling back around a week later asking largely the same questions only changed by your latest craigslist searches.

It is entirely fine to light money on fire for an extra car to extract both fun and marginal utility out of it when you can afford to do that.

Something Offal
Jan 12, 2018

by FactsAreUseless

Motronic posted:

It is entirely fine to light money on fire for an extra car to extract both fun and marginal utility out of it when you can afford to do that.

RE can also hire me to whisper this sentence into his ear once or several times a day.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



The Focuses with the Powershift transmissions are still hot garbage, right? Aforementioned friend test-drove a '13 and liked it but I found a crack in the transmission housing so we passed on that one, especially after I found articles about the transmissions having tons of trouble. There's an Envoy Denali on the lot so I might look at that one with him today. I'd like to steer him towards the '06 Subaru B9 Tribeca because the H6 engines are solid, but unless it has the entertainment system there's no way that's happening. The entertainment system actually could be good for him with a toddler in the back seat though. As it is, the only way to travel even an hour is to be playing stuff on the phone for him half the way. I pointed him at a '10 Impreza with an aftermarket radio as being similar to the Focus but he wants something "cooler." TBH I'm lucky that it was something so obviously wrong with the focus, I'm not nearly as good with cars as he thinks I am and he was ready to drive off the lot with it that day.

Are police surplus Chargers a good buy or are the only good surplus cop cars the Panther-bodies since they're Panther-bodies?

I'm trying to convince him to apply for a loan at a credit union or bank since even with bad credit it will probably be better than a BHPH lot, but he's convinced he won't be able to get a loan because of his credit and there being a collection on his account. The last time he applied for a loan he was making barely more than half what he is now though, so I feel like he has a better shot because of that. And it was a year ago, not sure how the age of a collection impacts your approval for a loan.

E: Forgot to ask, how do I tell on a Carfax/alternative whether a car was a rental previously? Some of these cars have mileage above 100k on 5 year old cars which makes me think either rental or commuting cars to go 50-80 miles each way daily.

22 Eargesplitten fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Mar 26, 2019

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
ya boy is all over the fuckin map with what he wants to buy, i would get him to narrow it down a bit more

and like is an impreza really less cool than a focus :wtc: they are both terminally uncool

owners are listed on a carfax so it will literally say something like ENTERPRISE or ERAC or whatever.

what's the worst thing that happens if he goes to a CU and gets denied a loan? the downside seems low other than maybe pride

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


I mean, both the Impreza and the Focus have cool versions and I'd argue that the RS is cooler than an STI (although that's probably bias from owning an RS and having an idiot brother that owned an STI).

That being said, I had a rental base model Focus and although it was super uncool, it was fun as gently caress to beat on in the Arizona desert.

KillHour fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Mar 26, 2019

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

ya boy is all over the fuckin map with what he wants to buy, i would get him to narrow it down a bit more

and like is an impreza really less cool than a focus :wtc: they are both terminally uncool

owners are listed on a carfax so it will literally say something like ENTERPRISE or ERAC or whatever.

what's the worst thing that happens if he goes to a CU and gets denied a loan? the downside seems low other than maybe pride

Yeah, I thought he wanted a SUV but now he's looking at sedans and stuff. The Focus is kind of more stylish in the exterior and he liked the navigation system and the backup camera.

As best as I can tell there's a good chance there's an entertainment system in this B9 Tribeca so that might be an option. He's 20 and I'm trying to temper his youthful bad decisions (got here too late for him not to get someone pregnant :v:). I'll also tell him that a friend of mine installed an entertainment system in his car, full HD, Android hookup, everything, for $90 so maybe that will influence his decision.

Think of what a 20-year-old from the inner city would think is cool, that's what he would think is cool. Because he's a 20-year-old from the inner city. His current car is a CTS, his last car was a Chrysler 300.

22 Eargesplitten fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Mar 26, 2019

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
what's wrong with the CTS

get another 300 they're cheap and uconnect is good

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



The CTS is rusted nearly in half and has bad brakes, constant electrical problems, needs a new suspension, and who knows what else. He treated it like complete poo poo, which combined with rust belt rust mean it’s downright dangerous to drive.

He could probably make it decent for half the cost of a car he’s looking at, but the rust damage is irreversible, and the damage he did by not changing the oil for two years would cost another few thousand to fix. My wife’s ‘99 Escort sounds better.

I’ll be on his rear end to keep up with whatever he gets as long as I’m living with him.

I thought the 300s were irredeemable shitheaps.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Both the 300 and the CTS are good used cars for their price point. If a Focus or Impreza is big enough for his purposes and he generally likes the 300 then he should get one or a Charger. No need to look at ex cop models, there are enough of them on the used market that you can get a non-beat one easily enough. Even an ex rental is a better bet than a cop car.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Okay, I figured that at least the ex-cop cars would have had their maintenance done reliably, but maybe that's giving too much credit to the police. The ones I find up for sale seem to be around 100k miles, which is about what he's looking at in used cars anyway.

Test drove an Envoy Denali and a Charger, he liked the both but liked the Charger better. I thought the Charger felt cheap as hell inside and don't trust Fiat-Chrysler, but I've got a general anti-American bias in my car tastes so I'm not the best judge maybe. Would the Envoy be more reliable? I'm also wondering if the insurance would be cheaper on one than on a Charger for a 20-year-old man. I don't think he's got any wrecks in his past, but one car did get shot up (I haven't asked whether he was in it at the time) and I'm not sure if there was an insurance claim from that. And the AWD would be nice, although I haven't ever owned a RWD car so I don't really know how significant the improvement is between the two. I found an '06 Envoy Denali for $5600 locally, which seems cheaper than an equivalent Charger. If he starts looking at stuff around $10k I'm probably going to point out how much that extra $4k would be by retirement if he stuck it in an index fund, or how he could put some of that into making sure that the car his girlfriend is going to be getting is nicer and safer for their son. I know I sound like a naggy busybody but he asked me to be his better judgement on this endeavor anyway.

Is there a significant difference in reliability between the engines, automatic transmissions, or generations of the Chargers? Is their AWD transmission any good?

E: Even more all over the place, what about the Genesis sedans? I know that was Hyundai as they were starting to step up their game, there's one with 105k miles and hail damage asking $6k, which seems like a really good deal and might appeal to him as a luxury sedan like his CTS. I had completely forgotten they even existed but I saw one on CL from a place that also has a Charger and I'm hoping that might avoid the young drag racer insurance tax.

E2: gently caress it, answer more of my questions! Is the no salvage titles because of possible mechanical stuff that wasn't caught or because of problems with insurance? I've got no idea what the insurance situation on a salvage title is. Presumably it's nearly impossible to get a loan? There are some cars around here that are salvaged because of the annual hailstorms in Denver, is it the same situation there?

22 Eargesplitten fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Mar 27, 2019

Chunjee
Oct 27, 2004

Take a look at Facebook marketplace if you're scraping the bottom of the barrel on Craigslist.

Didn't see the ideal budget but you've got a lot of options with 6k. How about a KIA Soul? They're pretty fun and popular, don't have much downtime that I'm aware of; I don't think many make it to 200k miles though. Get a Honda if he wants something super long term.

I found https://www.carfax.com/value/ today and imo it beats the hell out of KellyBlueBook which prices stuff way too high and all over the place.

Chunjee
Oct 27, 2004

I don't know jack about Genesis but if you offer 2.5k to all the 2008ish Infiniti sedan owners you can find, one will say yes.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



I found a 2008 TSX with a salvage title from hail for $3k, that's why I was wondering about why no salvage titles. He could probably buy that outright for cash and from riding in a friend's they seem nice. He's willing to pay $10k-11k but being assigned the role of his better judgement I'm trying to get him not to spend so much. He kind of fell in love with an overpriced Charger, so I'm looking for cheaper Chargers. I also found a GS350 for ~7k with hail damage and a 2014 Altima for $9k with hail damage, both clean titles. And a RX400h with no hail damage for $8k, which might be a decent decision. Then again I might be biased because I like my hybrid Camry (although I really need to get around to finishing fixing my '99 Subaru so I can get a salvage title and roll around in a rattletrap again).

The 2014 has 57k miles, which seems like a pretty big plus. Although that also means the 60k maintenance is coming up soon, I don't know what that entails on a Nissan.

22 Eargesplitten fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Mar 27, 2019

Chunjee
Oct 27, 2004

I'd at least check that Acura TSX out. Seems like there would be a hidden reason for being so cheap but I don't know a thing about hail. Everything else seems too expensive to me for a sedan.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

22 Eargesplitten posted:

I found a 2008 TSX with a salvage title from hail for $3k, that's why I was wondering about why no salvage titles. He could probably buy that outright for cash and from riding in a friend's they seem nice. He's willing to pay $10k-11k but being assigned the role of his better judgement I'm trying to get him not to spend so much. He kind of fell in love with an overpriced Charger, so I'm looking for cheaper Chargers. I also found a GS350 for ~7k with hail damage and a 2014 Altima for $9k with hail damage, both clean titles. And a RX400h with no hail damage for $8k, which might be a decent decision. Then again I might be biased because I like my hybrid Camry (although I really need to get around to finishing fixing my '99 Subaru so I can get a salvage title and roll around in a rattletrap again).

The 2014 has 57k miles, which seems like a pretty big plus. Although that also means the 60k maintenance is coming up soon, I don't know what that entails on a Nissan.
Look at Infiniti m35s from 2006-2009 (the later models got the high rev motor that is probably fine, but a bit less stout.) I don't know enough about the v8, but the v6 has a tried a true, fairly simple version of the vq35.
They're loving tanks and the only car infiniti really seemed to do a really good job on interior and build quality.
Probably avoid the awd. The system is fine (quite good), but the front shocks on the awd are bespoke and OEM only and cost like $1000/corner. The rwd version have none of that.
My dad's rolling over 200k on his and it is far from unique. I'd look for well maintained ones as because they're so cheap they've been passed around a lot to people who don't care.
The fuel economy is laughably bad and she takes premium dude.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Chunjee posted:

I'd at least check that Acura TSX out. Seems like there would be a hidden reason for being so cheap but I don't know a thing about hail. Everything else seems too expensive to me for a sedan.

Hail is pretty much a magical totaling machine. It ends up damaging 90% of the body panels so making you whole would cost a huge amount of money for the insurance company. Last year my uncle had three cars get hit by hail. Only one of them had comprehensive, so that one got totaled. He bought it back as scrap, replaced the glass, got it registered again, and used the leftover money to buy new glass for the other two and pocketed another few thousand for his youngest child's college fund. Really bad hail does have the possibility of damaging stuff in the bottom of the engine bay from hard bounces, but usually hail damage just means cosmetic issues. I just don't know if insuring a salvaged car is a lot more expensive or requires an independent inspection or what.

I'm in CO, near Boulder, which has a really high COL. Cars here tend to be a bit more expensive than most of the country from what I've seen. Maybe it's because we get zero rust on most cars. The Lexuses are AWD, which bumps the price a bit. I'm also mostly looking at loaded models, although I've also mentioned to him that he could get a bluetooth/touchscreen radio for $400 or so if he got one of the cheaper cars.

You want to see crazy expensive, look up Subarus in CO compared to the rest of the country. I got a poverty-spec '99 Impreza with 116k miles back in '09 for $5k, and that was a pretty good deal. My brother got a '07 Tribeca back in 2017 for $8k, which wasn't poverty-spec but it was still a decent deal for the area.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


This is probably going to go for more than I've mentally decided my max bid amount will be, but anything I should know about these from a maintenance/ownership standpoint?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2013-mclaren-mp4-12c/

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

KillHour posted:

This is probably going to go for more than I've mentally decided my max bid amount will be, but anything I should know about these from a maintenance/ownership standpoint?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2013-mclaren-mp4-12c/

An oil change costs $700, an annual service runs about $1500. Here's a service invoice someone uploaded:

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Deteriorata posted:

An oil change costs $700, an annual service runs about $1500. Here's a service invoice someone uploaded:



That sounds about right. I'm estimating $1/mile for maintenance. Any more than $2/mile, and I'd start to :yikes:

Edit: $94 for the oil and $25 for a filter is downright cheap. It's all in the labor.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

KillHour posted:

This is probably going to go for more than I've mentally decided my max bid amount will be, but anything I should know about these from a maintenance/ownership standpoint?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2013-mclaren-mp4-12c/

They have epidemic transmission problems and not enough parts to fix them.

Do no buy it unless it's under warranty and you are planning on renewing the warranty (to the tune of $15-15k per year).

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Oof. That's rough.

The seller clarified that it's not under warranty and to get it under a warranty would cost $600 just for the inspection to see if it's eligible.

I guess if they weren't basket cases, they wouldn't have had so much depreciation. It's a shame because they're gorgeous, fast and rare - everything I'm looking for.

KillHour fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Mar 28, 2019

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Do I have to buy a carfax to see if a car was a rental? I looked on the mycarfax site but it doesn't seem to have that information, just some maintenance records.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

KillHour posted:

I guess if they weren't basket cases, they wouldn't have had so much depreciation.

Notice that type of depreciation, or in many cases depreciation at all, is totally not normal for a supercar? This one in particular has two factors that make it different - it really is a basket case and McLaren continues to piss off it's customers by releasing new models on a regular basis.

Edit: One of the goofs with a car-themed youtube channel (Hoovie) bought one recently and if I recall correctly claims he has something like $100k of repair receipts from the PO's 2 or 3 years of owning the car (all covered under the warranty).

Motronic fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Mar 28, 2019

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



nm posted:

Look at Infiniti m35s from 2006-2009 (the later models got the high rev motor that is probably fine, but a bit less stout.) I don't know enough about the v8, but the v6 has a tried a true, fairly simple version of the vq35.
They're loving tanks and the only car infiniti really seemed to do a really good job on interior and build quality.
Probably avoid the awd. The system is fine (quite good), but the front shocks on the awd are bespoke and OEM only and cost like $1000/corner. The rwd version have none of that.
My dad's rolling over 200k on his and it is far from unique. I'd look for well maintained ones as because they're so cheap they've been passed around a lot to people who don't care.
The fuel economy is laughably bad and she takes premium dude.

Going back a bit, but I found one at a good price if I can convince him that he'll turn heads with an Infiniti in the "that guy has money" way rather than the "that guy spends all his Wal-Mart hourly on his car" way like a Charger. I see the struts for the AWD one at Autozone, maybe third-party ones started getting made later on, pretty normal $130 per corner. Do you know if all of the ones with cruise control have the one that automatically emergency brakes or do some of them just have normal cruise control? He drives to work at 4:30 AM every day along the highway so that could be a big safety feature, between having a kid and working that early the dude barely gets any sleep. Also found a G35X at a good price, maybe I can entice him by telling him it's an upgraded Skyline, not sure if he knows what that is. He wants to be a car guy, but doesn't take care of his cars.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Motronic posted:

Notice that type of depreciation, or in many cases depreciation at all, is totally not normal for a supercar? This one in particular has two factors that make it different - it really is a basket case and McLaren continues to piss off it's customers by releasing new models on a regular basis.

Edit: One of the goofs with a car-themed youtube channel (Hoovie) bought one recently and if I recall correctly claims he has something like $100k of repair receipts from the PO's 2 or 3 years of owning the car (all covered under the warranty).

As someone who cares more about driving a supercar for fun than owning one as an investment, I'm 100% for manufacturers coming out with new models every other year and making the old ones depreciate (because it means I get to buy all the awesome cars and not have to worry about driving them and ruining their value). As such, I would do my own oil changes or whatever - whatever I buy won't be in concourse condition after I'm done with it, regardless. But time-bomb transmissions are no bueno.

A GT350 with low miles just went for like $40k on BaT. I was tempted, but I've heard horror stories about Voodoos being made of particularly fragile glass.

KillHour fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Mar 28, 2019

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

KillHour posted:

As someone who cares more about driving a supercar for fun than owning one as an investment, I'm 100% for manufacturers coming out with new models every other year and making the old ones depreciate (because it means I get to buy all the awesome cars and not have to worry about driving them and ruining their value). As such, I would do my own oil changes or whatever - whatever I buy won't be in concourse condition after I'm done with it, regardless.

I get that and totally agree, but it's simply not the business model of the supercar industry, so I'm not sure what Mclaren is doing here an where they think it will get them. Manufacturers can't survive off of aftermarket used car sales. They seem to be committing low-speed brand suicide.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Motronic posted:

I get that and totally agree, but it's simply not the business model of the supercar industry, so I'm not sure what Mclaren is doing here an where they think it will get them. Manufacturers can't survive off of aftermarket used car sales. They seem to be committing low-speed brand suicide.

In a way it kind of sucks for used cars too because it means parts go out of production, which is probably the issue here. ...Maybe I should just get an AMG. If I wait a year and save another $50k, I can get a GT-C convertible or something. :sigh:

Chunjee
Oct 27, 2004

22 Eargesplitten posted:

He wants to be a car guy, but doesn't take care of his cars.

If you take an Infiniti to a shop for anykind of work expect to pay a lot. Otherwise if you're signing up to do his maint/repairs, it's manageable.

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002

KillHour posted:

In a way it kind of sucks for used cars too because it means parts go out of production, which is probably the issue here. ...Maybe I should just get an AMG. If I wait a year and save another $50k, I can get a GT-C convertible or something. :sigh:
Are VW Lamborghinis in your price range? Because they share parts across many brands and models and I imagine more reasonable to own unlike McLaren and such

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Nitrox posted:

Are VW Lamborghinis in your price range? Because they share parts across many brands and models and I imagine more reasonable to own unlike McLaren and such

Owning a Lambo has always been my dream, but it would be a stretch for anything except a higher mileage (20k+) Gallardo unless a really good deal pops up. Also, I've heard bad things about the clutch in the auto, and the manuals come at a premium.

Something like this would be right around the upper end of my budget.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/767484942/overview/

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Chunjee posted:

If you take an Infiniti to a shop for anykind of work expect to pay a lot. Otherwise if you're signing up to do his maint/repairs, it's manageable.

He has a shade tree mechanic friend that does the work on his cars currently. Works for me, even though if it isn't a complete rustheap I can teach him how to change his own oil and belts. The belts on a VG35 seem to be pretty easy, there's a lot of space there to do them. Maybe spark plugs as well, I've never done them on an engine that wasn't a flat-4.

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Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002

KillHour posted:

... higher mileage ...(20k+)
da gently caress

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