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My gut reaction is that choosing a ruler by blood alone is inherently a bad idea and the monarchy should be phased out, but I'm not sure that would fit with the show. I dunno how overall interested Eclipsa really is in being queen anyways. I can never really guess which way this show is going. It looks like they're moving to a more complex place with the whole monster persecution thing, not just one-sided oppression, but a bigger back-and-forth. Not really sure what to make of that either.
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Oh, they're probably going for something like that. And looks like the Mewmans and Monsters have had a historical back and forth of atrocities similar to most contested regions in real life, Toffee did assassinate Moon's mother during a peace conference and all. (it is implied that most monster nobility we've seen have been propped up by Mewmans to stifle dissent, mind) And one side's hero is another side's war criminal. (just ask the monsters what they think of Solaria) Relocations tend to go incredibly poorly in real life no matter how justified, and definitely when half-assed. Down to one of the people trying to assassinate Moon being a monster himself dissatisfied with her performance. Some interesting implications with these episodes back to back; that Moon is capable of teaching and leading Mewmans quite well even without her wand, while Eclipsa is finding herself at a loss as to how to actually use her magic to benefit her subjects, which it's implied is something it's very good at. (I bet Festivia got a lot of use out of it during the siege and all) And we have conformation that Star in her own way is a magical prodigy, and it seems she specialises in creative magic, given she can summon her own bedroom anywhere and all and nearly all of her signature attacks are summoning spells, while Eclipsa doesn't seem to have explored that area at all.
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It's easy to dismiss the idea of a hereditary monarchy when the inheritance doesn't provide magic powers that keep the state viable.
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Madurai posted:It's easy to dismiss the idea of a hereditary monarchy when the inheritance doesn't provide magic powers that keep the state viable. Except Festivia and her descendants prove that magic powers exist outside of the Butterfly line.
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Pakled posted:Except Festivia and her descendants prove that magic powers exist outside of the Butterfly line. But not everywhere, or Mewni would be hip-deep in them. Wouldn't they?
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apparently prolonged exposure to the wand over the course of generations is responsible for the two bloodlines' enhanced magical abilities
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BioEnchanted posted:I'm expecting the Globgor shoe to drop with someone other than Eclipsa releasing him in the run up to the finale, maybe Mina trying to finish him off. I think she's mostly on the up-and-up, but probably has a few secrets. Like for one, I'm like 90% sure that Eclipsa can do wand-less magic and she's just lying about needing it. I also think Globgor is a clear and present danger but that maybe Eclipsa's just a little lovestruck and overlooks his more monstrous (no pun intended) side. At this point I see Star being queen as the clear end game, the rest of the story is just a how do we get from point A to point B.
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I found the Blood Moon Bond thing interesting because they opted to nullify it so that they could concentrate on their relationships outside of each other, it's like they were fighting the will of the audience/writers themselves.
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I found it weird because I thought they'd never revisit that, and if they did, that the point would be the same as they talked about, that it was never a curse. But nope. Oh well. These episodes at least further cemented that Janna is the best character.
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I can't help but be worried that /everything/ we know about how the Severing Stone works is filtered through Tom.
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TwoPair posted:I found it weird because I thought they'd never revisit that, and if they did, that the point would be the same as they talked about, that it was never a curse. But nope. I was surprised that this was the direction they went with the Blood Moon, but in a way it makes sense—regardless of whether or not Star and Marco end up together, it's best to eliminate the ambiguity that the Blood Moon's "bonding of souls" brought to the relationship, and make it clear that their feelings for each other are entirely genuine and not a result of a one-off episode from Season 1. maltesh posted:I can't help but be worried that /everything/ we know about how the Severing Stone works is filtered through Tom. Tom's definitely gotten a lot better from his first appearance, but he unquestionably has a lot to gain by trying to convince both Star and Marco their romantic feelings were entirely due to the Blood Moon, especially considering how rocky his relationship with Star can be. He desperately wants to make it work, but just can't bring himself to recognize that... it's really not, at least not the way he wants it to work. If the show goes in the direction of "Star and Marco still have a thing for each other, and getting rid of the Blood Moon Curse didn't do anything but wipe a cherished memory*," which I think is at least fairly likely, it'll be interesting to see how Tom takes the revelation—and whether he takes it on the chin like he's taken every other setback these past two seasons, or if we get some vintage Season 1 full-on anger at the situation. *Considering that the wording Tom's grandfather gave was that the stone would wipe the memory of when the two fell in love, as opposed to when they were cursed as everyone else assumed, it makes me wonder whether it'll turn out that the memory that was erased wasn't of the Blood Moon Ball, but of an earlier memory, and that the feelings were genuine all along. e: Here's what the show's composer had to say about the episode, which I think says a lot about where the writers were coming from: "Brian Kim posted:This is one of my favorite episodes of the whole series for a number of reasons. First because we get to bring back this cue, one of the two most popular cues I’ve posted on here (the other being “The Ballad of Star Butterfly”), and because I get to use some of the sections of the full length Tumblr-only version of this waltz, but in an actual episode. But this time around, we make it a little warmer, and even more intimate. This is not the last time a previous Tumblr-only version of a cue will make it into a season 4 episode. Keep your ears peeled. Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Apr 1, 2019 |
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The thought just occurred that if it was a curse that was stopping Janna's hypnotism from working, maybe now Marco's incapable of having feelings for Star because her hypnotic suggestions are working.
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I'm reminded of that Gravity Falls episode with the love potion, things get weird when you mix typical teenage drama with literal magical compulsions.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:*Considering that the wording Tom's grandfather gave was that the stone would wipe the memory of when the two fell in love, as opposed to when they were cursed as everyone else assumed, it makes me wonder whether it'll turn out that the memory that was erased wasn't of the Blood Moon Ball, but of an earlier memory, and that the feelings were genuine all along. That did seem oddly specific. Makes me think Marco and Star will meet Ludo at some point, reminisce about the first time they kicked his butt, and realize they don't remember that event. They do seem to remember dancing under the Blood Moon, after all.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's at least clear that Marco's strongest relationships are forged in the fires of battle. Aren't all of ours, really? 
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's kind of a theme in that the characters are having a really hard time figuring out the line between liking each other and romantic attraction. Which makes it one of the most accurate portrayals of teenage relationships I've seen in a show.
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Chill Tom is kinda weird considering how he came off first off, but he seems to just be so much happier because he likes Marco, he isn't seeing him solely as competition for Star, and finding it genuinely relaxing to just trust people and not make a big deal out of things. For all the repression of Mewni and materialistic indulgence of Pony Head Kingdom, it seems a theme of the Underworld is people wear their emotions on their sleeves, frequently unable to help it. (Tom's mom being upset causing a literal storm and all)
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I love Tom's grandpa, and the gatekeepers. Especially when Grandpa starts cutting the elevator ropes and the demon is all like "I'm recording everything your doing!  "
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I did notice the painting early in that episode with Tom's presumed great-grandmother's face ripped up.
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I'm seriously waiting for Janna to have some kind of big reveal behind her backstory that completely upends everything we know about her like Tammy from Rick and Morty, whether it's her obsession with dark magic or how she randomly appears when you least expect her. And I definitely wouldn't be surprised if they pulled that same twist behind Marco. Guy has pixie dust all over him since every woman he meets hounds the living daylights out of him. Meteora developed a Joker-style stalkerish obsession for his Turdina persona and even Eclipsa gave him some mama bear support when before she seemed to just view him as an idle curiosity.
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There's been a few hints of magically influenced people around Earth and it's quite likely that Star isn't the first refugee/exile from a magical dimension to make their home there, so you never know. That said, Janna started out mostly as a weird witchy goth girl and fairly gradually started getting more familiar with magic, it wouldn't surprise me if she just actually paid attention to the magical craziness going on around her and picked up knowledge and tricks until she qualifies as a full blown witch. And as for Marco, I think he just has Teenage Male Protagonist Syndrome. And maybe some of Star's charisma rubs off on him. He is apparently good-looking, athletic, outgoing and good-natured, for that matter.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:He is apparently good-looking, athletic, outgoing and good-natured, for that matter. Yeah, I mean, he's kind of the total package? It's only his position as mild-mannered deuteragonist that makes it seem plausible that he'd be unpopular at all, and if the Ab Dimension is a reliable indicator, he's basically going to grow up to be Chris Hemsworth with eyelashes. I guess this, too, is a subversion of the traditional male role in this kind of show? Maybe?
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Rand Brittain posted:Yeah, I mean, he's kind of the total package? It's only his position as mild-mannered deuteragonist that makes it seem plausible that he'd be unpopular at all, and if the Ab Dimension is a reliable indicator, he's basically going to grow up to be Chris Hemsworth with eyelashes. Mostly it's Marco's obsessiveness that pushes people away from him and Star helps him loosen up in that regard; remember how he gets in "Sophomore Slump."
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Mostly it's Marco's obsessiveness that pushes people away from him and Star helps him loosen up in that regard; remember how he gets in "Sophomore Slump." Yeah, Star's influence has mellowed him out a lot over time. He was pretty neurotic in the earlier episodes.
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Dates and episode titles of the rest of the series have been revealed, with the series finale airing on May 19th. https://twitter.com/DisneyXD/status/1113233230986186753
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Skippy McPants posted:Yeah, Star's influence has mellowed him out a lot over time. He was pretty neurotic in the earlier episodes. And it goes the other way too, with Star being waaay more down to earth, sensible and responsible than she was to start with. (and Tom's chilled out too, though in his case he had professional help in recognising a toxic habit as well as making more friends so he doesn't have to be possessive of Star to have people he can enjoy being around. His episodes with Marco seem to point to him being rather spoiled and isolated to start with, basically a demon version of that bratty kid from karate) Rand Brittain posted:I guess this, too, is a subversion of the traditional male role in this kind of show? Maybe? Ehhh, kinda? It's more acknowledging how a lot of girl-oriented shows have a male sidekick who starts out as a lovable loser but after seasons of adventuring experience, being able to hold his own in a fight among superpowered warriors and monsters, and plenty of experience and savvy grounded in common sense, is actually someone pretty much every teenage boy would want to be despite still being considered a 'loser' by the show. (Ron Stoppable comes to mind) Though Marco started out diverging from the mould in that he's a hard-working martial arts athlete who gets good grades (so closer to Kim, ha) and his main issues are the above-mentioned neuroticism and social anxiety.
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I had previously caught a few episodes of this show by happenstance. Notably they were Ludo in the Wild and Dip Down and whatever episode is Toffee's defeat, so pretty good ones to have on in the background as an introduction And then years later, I spent the past three days binging the entire series. I regret sleeping on this one, but at least I get to hang out in this thread in the lead-up to the finale.
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Sockser posted:I had previously caught a few episodes of this show by happenstance. Notably they were Ludo in the Wild and Dip Down and whatever episode is Toffee's defeat, so pretty good ones to have on in the background as an introduction I kinda slept on the series at first too, I watched the first episode shortly after it came out and dismissed it as being too twee for my tastes. Then around the end of the first season, I gave it another chance because goons were clamoring over it and I'm glad I did. "Mewnipendance Day" was what really convinced me the series was something special.
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Those were some pretty interesting new episodes. I loved Glossaryck's son. Also the moment in the first new episode with Ludo getting Dennis the deed back. "You're crazy!" "No, I just love my brother... but I'll do crazy things to protect him!"
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Gotta love that Mewni origin story. "Hey, here's a wand, you guys love corn, better go cower under that stump. Glossaryck out." And at the same time this fuels the theories that humans and Mewmans are the same species and that Earth once had magic. That was clearly a family of colonial-era humans who had just been spat out by the Dimension of Magic and lost their memories. Perhaps they fell into that closed off well we saw at the end of season 3?
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So Mewni's entire history is just a stable time loop from Glossaryck? Trippy.
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BioEnchanted posted:Those were some pretty interesting new episodes. I loved Glossaryck's son. Also the moment in the first new episode with Ludo getting Dennis the deed back. "You're crazy!" "No, I just love my brother... but I'll do crazy things to protect him!" I'm starting to think Ludo is in the end the one going to be ruling Mewni not as a conquerer, but being delegated the throne.
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TwoPair posted:So Mewni's entire history is just a stable time loop from Glossaryck? Trippy. It's only a stable time loop if the Mewmans created Glossaryck, and I'm not really sure they did. Otherwise it's something he did out of order.
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BattleTech posted:I'm starting to think Ludo is in the end the one going to be ruling Mewni not as a conquerer, but being delegated the throne. Now that's a rather interesting way for things to end up.
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