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Trigun is a manga/anime on a Wild West-style desert planet that lots of people liked. I don’t know of any media from Japan that actually takes place in the American Southwest.
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Dr Christmas posted:Trigun is a manga/anime on a Wild West-style desert planet that lots of people liked. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Steel Ball Run. maltesh has a new favorite as of 00:08 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Apr 2, 2019 00:01
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Too bad nobody ever figured out what D4C stands for.
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The Good The Bad and the Weird is a fantastic ball-to-walls insane hilarious Korean 'Western' set in 1930s Manchuria . The 30 minute four (five?) way running chase/battle (involving numerous bandit groups, heroes and the Imperial Japanese Army) at the end is gloriously bananas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tk80iXCspM
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Apr 2, 2019 00:40
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Kaiketsu Zubat is an old Japanese superhero show where the hero is a also a drifting cowboy guitarist when not in costume. In this clip our hero meets a baddie who claims to be the best American Football player in Japan but turns out he's only the second best. A variation of this situation happens basically every single episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv2mRsHqQFM
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Apr 2, 2019 01:39
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christmas boots posted:I wonder if the Japanese ever made any westerns. I don't mean in the sense that Yojimbo is a western, but like an honest to goodness actual western with cowboys. Afro Samurai kinda does this iirc (the setting is a weird mish-mash of post-apocalyptic sci-fi, western stuff, and samurai stuff). Also Sukiyaki Western Django, even though people hate it.
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Apr 2, 2019 06:47
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Anime loves its space samurai westerns, Trigun and Cowboy Bebop come to mind. And there's probably been a few manga that play it more straight, just you rarely see that adapted to anime since it's not as marketable.
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Apr 2, 2019 09:57
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Are there other cultures that have their own time periods that were as heralded or mythalized but was basically such a non event as the wild west in American culture?
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Apr 2, 2019 19:47
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Are there other cultures that have their own time periods that were as heralded or mythalized but was basically such a non event as the wild west in American culture? Not totally a period, but dont samurai basically get the same treatment in the west? We treat them like mythical warriors when really they were similar to cops.
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Apr 2, 2019 19:53
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:basically such a non event lol
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Metal Ray Sunshine posted:Not totally a period, but dont samurai basically get the same treatment in the west? We treat them like mythical warriors when really they were similar to cops. Even in Japan they get overly romanticized.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Are there other cultures that have their own time periods that were as heralded or mythalized but was basically such a non event as the wild west in American culture? Scandinavia and the Viking Age though there hasn't been nearly as many films made about it as samurais and cowboys. Icelandic director Hrafn Gunnlaugsson made a trilogy of viking films in the 80s and 90 that've been called "Cod Westerns". The first one, Hrafninn flýgur (The Raven Flies) is a pretty decent remake of Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Are there other cultures that have their own time periods that were as heralded or mythalized but was basically such a non event as the wild west in American culture? do you mean by sheer quantity when you say 'were as heralded'? in film, probably not it was pretty easy to make a convincing-looking western on a tight budget - iirc eastwood just wore his own regular clothes under his poncho for a fistful of dollars, skills like horseback riding were still in common currency in rural america so quickly finding expert help was super easy for scenes heavy on extras, shooting locations out in the boonies were easy to acquire and inexpensive to get, etc, etc, etc - and once you've built up an industry around quickly and cheaply producing sets, costumes and the like the genre got ridiculously cheap and easy to get involved in and even a small time director could pull off the distinctive look and feel of the period, they just needed a good idea compare that to more ambitious projects like sci-fi, or period pieces with more elaborate costumes/sets or even modern films taking place in a city where you gotta close down blocks and acquire more expensive shooting permits and you got a recipe for a genre that can uniquely turn over a profit the closest equivalent going by quantity i can think of offhand are certain kinds of martial arts genre films in the asian markets, but they don't necessarily mythologize a particular time period so much as they essentially mythologize the martial arts themselves
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hard counter posted:do you mean by sheer quantity when you say 'were as heralded'? in film, probably not It's not really fair to say that sci-fi is more expensive, it was also very cheap for a very long time.
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Iron Crowned posted:It's not really fair to say that sci-fi is more expensive, it was also very cheap for a very long time. when kirk is always skulking around "desert planets" sure gangster movies were also probably pretty cheap to film
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A lot of western movies were actually filmed in Spain rather than the actual American west. Some of the most iconic scenes from them aren't in America at all. They're called Spaghetti Westerns because of Sergio Leone. He was an Italian director that figured out America had quite the appetite for action westerns that were absurdly historically inaccurate. He basically invented that formula and figured out that whole hire a poo poo load of people ride horses around and film them for action scenes thing. The actual American west in that period was very very quiet if there wasn't a war going on. The natives had already been more or less completely wrecked and actual fights between Americans and natives were pretty rare. The number of settlers moving west actually killed by the natives was like a dozen, ever. The whole "white man taming the wild lands" thing was also a myth. White people were a minority among cowboys; they were mostly black or Mexican. Things were quiet and safe enough that they rarely carried any guns at all. Mostly they just had to drive cattle around and not break anything to earn a living.
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luxury handset posted:when kirk is always skulking around "desert planets" sure Kirk skulked around on a gangster planet too
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Iron Crowned posted:Kirk skulked around on a gangster planet too and a Third Reich what-if planet, and also a Cold War post-apocalypse planet, if I am recalling my Stars Treks correctly convergent evolution works in mysterious ways
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Apr 2, 2019 21:01
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Oh, and there was Cowboy Planet.
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Iron Crowned posted:It's not really fair to say that sci-fi is more expensive, it was also very cheap for a very long time. it really helps when charlton heston happens to land on an ape planet that mostly uses wagons, rifles, lassos and horses
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SatansOnion posted:and a Third Reich what-if planet, and also a Cold War post-apocalypse planet, if I am recalling my Stars Treks correctly Also the 60s a couple of times, and the 60s but also the Roman Empire. And the 40s but not with gangsters.
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hard counter posted:it really helps when charlton heston happens to land on an ape planet that mostly uses wagons, rifles, lassos and horses The blasters in Star Wars were just modified WWII era guns, because apparently there were tons of them around at the time 
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Part of the problem with the USA is it's relatively young, so there's not really a lot to mythologize. Like you've got the revolution, civil war (which can be touchy), the "wild" west, and then the great homogenization kind of begins, with little dips out for WWII and Vietnam. Like euros have Kings and saints and popes and all kinds of stuff to draw upon to make toothless inaccurate portrayals of but not the US.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Scandinavia and the Viking Age though there hasn't been nearly as many films made about it as samurais and cowboys. Icelandic director Hrafn Gunnlaugsson made a trilogy of viking films in the 80s and 90 that've been called "Cod Westerns". The first one, Hrafninn flýgur (The Raven Flies) is a pretty decent remake of Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars. there is always this abomination. a remake of a 20 year old (at the time) sami movie 
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ToxicSlurpee posted:A lot of western movies were actually filmed in Spain rather than the actual American west. Some of the most iconic scenes from them aren't in America at all. They're called Spaghetti Westerns because of Sergio Leone. He was an Italian director that figured out America had quite the appetite for action westerns that were absurdly historically inaccurate. He basically invented that formula and figured out that whole hire a poo poo load of people ride horses around and film them for action scenes thing. In fact, a lot of towns would make you surrender your firearms upon entry. Shootouts like O.K. Corral really weren't that common for the most part. But what fun is that?
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FreudianSlippers posted:Kaiketsu Zubat is an old Japanese superhero show where the hero is a also a drifting cowboy guitarist when not in costume. this is fantastic I need more
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The 40s one was the actual 1940s cause of time travel, the Nazi one was a rogue Starfleet officer who took over the planet, and the gangster one was (iirc) a crashed Earth spaceship had a book about gangsters that the locals took as a guideline.
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Byzantine posted:The 40s one was the actual 1940s cause of time travel, the Nazi one was a rogue Starfleet officer who took over the planet, and the gangster one was (iirc) a crashed Earth spaceship had a book about gangsters that the locals took as a guideline. Close; before Starfleet adopted the Prime Directive a ship contacted the people of Sigma Iotia II. They were pre-warp humanoids that looked exactly like us and hadn't invented radios yet but were smart and willing to talk. The ship left behind a bunch of books as well as instructions on how to build stuff like radios and cars and whatnot. A book about the mob got elevated to the point that it became basically their Bible and their culture adapted to mimic stereotypical mafia gangsters. The Enterprise also goes there in the NES Star Trek game. ToxicSlurpee has a new favorite as of 21:50 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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datajugend posted:there is always this abomination. a remake of a 20 year old (at the time) sami movie It's even more embarrassing since they made a much better version using actual Danes. 
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muscles like this! posted:Even in Japan they get overly romanticized. More in the sense of show Euros look at knights rather than the Wild West.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:A lot of western movies were actually filmed in Spain rather than the actual American west. Some of the most iconic scenes from them aren't in America at all. They're called Spaghetti Westerns because of Sergio Leone. He was an Italian director that figured out America had quite the appetite for action westerns that were absurdly historically inaccurate. He basically invented that formula and figured out that whole hire a poo poo load of people ride horses around and film them for action scenes thing. I think it helped that there was so many other things that could kill you. Yes, the likelihood of you dying in a gunfight or being scalped was low, but you still probably died and in a lot of pain. It just wasn't in a cool way. Of course now it seems most Westerns focus on the fact it wasn't a very long period in American history and how those cowboys and gunslingers cope with encroaching civilization. I'm guessing that's a big theme in the new Deadwood movie since it takes place 12 years after the old one ended which is right about the end of the Old West.
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pentyne posted:It's even more embarrassing since they made a much better version using actual Danes. Denmark has a sami population?
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Werong Bustope posted:this is fantastic I need more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piNHP7gXbgg
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Iron Crowned posted:Oh, and there was Cowboy Planet.  The gunfight one was actually an illusion made by the Melkotians because Kirk ignored their warning buoy to stay away.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:A lot of western movies were actually filmed in Spain rather than the actual American west. Some of the most iconic scenes from them aren't in America at all. They're called Spaghetti Westerns because of Sergio Leone. He was an Italian director that figured out America had quite the appetite for action westerns that were absurdly historically inaccurate. He basically invented that formula and figured out that whole hire a poo poo load of people ride horses around and film them for action scenes thing. Most of the real wild poo poo that happened was based around mining, but even if you go some place like Jerome, Arizona and look at that stuff it basically sparked up and died out completely within a decade. And it almost feels disingenuous to call that stuff the west since it was such a weird aberration compared to everything else going on out there.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Are there other cultures that have their own time periods that were as heralded or mythalized but was basically such a non event as the wild west in American culture? Pirates maybe? The so-called Golden Age of Piracy that most people imagine when they think of pirates lasted about 10 years tops (roughly 1716-1726), and most of the famous pirates from the era only operated for a short time. Blackbeard's entire pirate career was about 18 months.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Are there other cultures that have their own time periods that were as heralded or mythalized but was basically such a non event as the wild west in American culture? Not really a time period, but Asian media in general and Chinese media specifically sets a lot of shows based on the Journey to the West. One that got popular in the west was Dragonball and by extension its various spin-offs, but there are tons of adaptations of that book. Also now that I think of it, there is tons of Chinese media set during the Three Kingdoms period (Romance of the 3 Kingdoms etc.), and there are tons of shows and movies in Ancient China, especially during the Tang and Han dynasty.
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I think Romance of the Three Kingdoms doesn't count since it is already a mythological take, right? edit: ^^^My bad, didn't see that.
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The Three Kingdoms period, plus the fall of the Han Dynasty was a good 90 years long. It doesn't really fall into the same category.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_West_gunfights My favorite is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Branch_Saloon_gunfight Interesting times posted:Frank Loving was a 19-year-old youth at the time of the fight. Although often referred to as being a gunman, that reputation did not develop until after this gunfight. Loving had come to Dodge City from Texas, arriving the year before and settling into the gamblers life of the busy cattle town. He'd married, became friends with Long Branch owner Chalkey Beeson, and become associated with several notable gunmen, gamblers and lawmen of the day, including Doc Holliday, Wyatt Earp, Bat Masterson, John Allen, as well as Levi Richardson.
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