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ADINSX posted:Anyway this post got super long, but in the interest of IMPROVING MYSELF as someone suggested I do earlier in the thread, I do have some takeaways: The idea to take a break from working was a really bad one. Every single interviewer ignored the end date of my last job, they all assumed I still worked there, so then you gotta correct them and that colors everything you say after that. You think it'll be fun and freeing, but in reality every day that goes by is one day further away from your last job. I also think the lack of a big company on my resume hurt me, so this job should fix both those issues and I hope to be here awhile.
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i've quit a job without anything lined up the subsequent job hunt was definitely harder than not doing that, but there wasn't going to be a job hunt unless i did it that way (because i'd have killed myself)
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answering questions about why i left without a job lined up was a matter of just having a smooth, rehearsed patter get that poo poo down in a mirror, it's loving critical when you are an unemployed applicant
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i'm taking a week off between jobs for literally the first time ever (excepting when I was 'laid off' i.e. fired for being addicted to eve online and generally a dumb as poo poo 22 y/o slacker from a job when I was in college) I was going to take 2, but I'm gonna stay an extra week and vest an extra 5k of stock, of course im utterly fuckin checked out as of this morning, if not 3 months ago, so phoning it in for another week seems worth the money that said I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be ready to go back after like 2 days anyway -- funemployed for an internet addict introvert is not terribly different to showing up to a remote job
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Apr 3, 2019 05:53
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i'm tempted to tell my coworker i'm leaving before my boss. we saw each other irl recently and he kept saying 'please dont leave and go to <job I just took>' lmao
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Apr 3, 2019 05:55
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:i'm tempted to tell my coworker i'm leaving before my boss. we saw each other irl recently and he kept saying 'please dont leave and go to <job I just took>' lmao he already knows, and he doesn't want you to tell him it will only hurt him, and it will only hurt you
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:he already knows, and he doesn't want you to tell him not wrong
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So I had a full blown panic attack last night, and I think it's because company x is flying me out to LA. Not sure what exactly to do in this situation. I'm not sure what would have happened if my wife hadn't been there with me, and now I'm terrified of this happening on the plane, in the hotel, in the bathroom of the company, during an interview, etc. Do I just back out gracefully? I've only had one other on site in the past months of looking and I'm tired of job searching, but this seems really bad for my mental health. I'm not 100% sure the on site is what triggered it, but to me this just seems like the final form of my performance anxiety. Sorry for e/n but it's job search related e/n
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So panic attacks can definitely fall into the "meet a specialist" kind of deal if you've never had them before, and not everyone will be able to deal with them using the same tricks and approaches, and they often come without specific triggers. Anxiety attacks are kind of similar but to my understanding are more trigger-based, and if that is closer to what you have, there may be more accessible ways to deal with them since they tend to have a much slower build-up. The cases I've known have been more of the form anxiety building up to panic, and the tips I'm going to give are more related to that, so of course your mileage may vary, especially if you're directly into 'panic' more than 'anxiety' in terms of territory. The people I know who have had anxiety attacks mostly had them about dealing with control (or loss of control) and fear of entirely unknown situations. I'm figuring performance anxiety may overlap a bit there: - breathing exercises (they never hurt, especially if you get into hyperventilating) - giving yourself a more thorough plan on sets of things you can do for all kinds of circumstances (download maps, draw out itineraries, write down a schedule, use street view to walk your way to these places before you get there), so that you feel more familiar and with back up plans if a thing goes unexpected. - try and make peace with the "worst case scenario" (tanking the interview) and focusing on things like "even if it sucks I at least get a free trip out of it" or "it's going to be practice even if it's not a good fit" to minimize the impact failure could have on you -- it wouldn't be worse on its own than just cancelling ahead of time. - Know that it's okay to blow an interview, to try and to fail. You are there to interview them as much as they are there to interview you; this is an information-gathering step in your job search for you, and if you find out that lovely programming tests and high-pressure interviews with them are hurting you, then that's good information to have. You should feel free to disengage at any point during the process or test and go "you know, I thought about it, and I don't think this is for me." Wish them the best of luck in finding a good fit for them, and leave on cordial terms. Change the context from "them judging you" to "you judging them". - work with your wife (or any trusted friend who is willing/available) to set things up so you can reach them either through phone, chat, facetime, text or whatever while you're away. Having their [indirect} presence around and knowing you have additional resources or means to deal with a panic attack can on its own help control them and see them as a less paralyzing event. Most of these tips boil down to setting up multiple things so that you reduce the number of things you'll have to juggle in your head at any given time, and preparing some kind of psychological space where the things that makes you anxious are minimized a bit so that you don't go in a loop as easily. Of course, getting professional help if it recurs is a good idea.
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it's more of a general purpose therapy tactic, but besides  a couple hours before (i'm serious; timed right for me the deleterious effects are gone and I'm far less anxious, but I'm not a doctor and you're not me), it's mostly a thinking game about the worst caseactually physically writing down the potential results if the "worst" (a mid-interview anxiety attack) happens, along with best guess odds of those results, helps me keep perspective, and as a repeated exercise, reinforces that better perspective mononcqc kinda beat me to that but just long term acceptance of the fact that Interviewing Sucks and you will eat rejections is the key
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MononcQc thank you. That is some really well written and good advice. I will put that into practice asap. I'm seeing my psych on Friday. Hopefully, he can help, but should realistically look into therapy. I think all of the things you suggested are reasonable to put in place by next week, but still not really certain about flying out for the interview then. Ciaphas thank you, too. the herb doesn't work for me. I just get more anxiety.
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Apr 3, 2019 13:53
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dragon enthusiast posted:What are your salary expectations for this position? Please provide a range or specific number. Example 80k or 80-90k, open, negotiable, or industry standard are not specific. This is your first test in the application / interview process in following directions. Lets hope this is an easy question to pass. * ‘good luck finding a sucker. hope it works out for you guys’
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I really admire the effort you put into helping people in this thread, MononcQc. That was a great post. 
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Apr 3, 2019 14:56
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has anyone worked in cross functional teams where the engineering manager is managaging the whole team? kinda like ‘squads’ or ‘tribes’ at Spotify I think.... my scale up is thinking about this as an organizational structure and I’m not sure if I’d like being the boss of everyone in a team that is supposed to INNOVATE.
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I'm not at Spotify but we also have cross functional squads, but that's means they go across teams - the squad doesn't have a manager, but the programmers have our team lead as our manager and the product guy has theirs etc. so: no
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Remote interview with an engineering manager and product manager for a product designer position in NYC today. I'm also flying up for an in-person round in a few weeks. I'm hoping that means I'll get the good good and move out of my hometown forever. Need the luck and positive vibes.
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cheese eats mouse posted:Remote interview with an engineering manager and product manager for a product designer position in NYC today. I have my first in-person tomorrow but I thought it was next monday until this morning so now I'm scrambling on getting my portfolio presentation-ready
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qirex posted:good luck on those, for both the pm and engineering manager maybe emphasize that you like finding shippable solutions over maniacally pursuing design perfection, good relationships with those 2 people will largely determine your success there That's p much how I operate with our current devs. I have some FED knowledge and exp but I have a BFA. Good luck on the folio crit.
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Apr 3, 2019 19:35
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Follow-up: The PM definitely tripped me up mostly cause I've only worked with lovely PMs or not one at all.  Connected with the Engineering Manager cause of talking shop and my history. So about what I expected.
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So I've only been passively interviewing and my offer negotiation experience is limited. I follow this thread so I thought I'd share a story of my own as an experience. Last night I got a softcopy offer from a very established ~100-200 person place in the Boston area that I've really REALLY been interested in. It's been a slow process every step of the way but the company genuinely seems like chill and relaxed place to be. It's for a visible position in bringing up and eventually growing a department. Of course there are snags.
Always try. Here's my plan. I'm going to wait until tonight or tomorrow morning to reply to the email, with an invitation to meet in person to discuss the offer. I'll also ask for their 2019 employee benefits booklet. At the meeting:
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lol 4 hours before my interview the recruiter cheerfully emails "hey, could you email over your portfolio files in advance? you could also just send them a link"  [I told him I couldn't do that in like the first email I sent him 3 weeks ago, plus my super pro elite OPSEC is a value add for what I do]
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qirex posted:lol 4 hours before my interview the recruiter cheerfully emails "hey, could you email over your portfolio files in advance? you could also just send them a link" lol. if I ever move on this is gonna kill me because I've only worked jobs where all my work is encumbered by heavy ndas.
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I aced a phone screen with Chase bank and it's in Chicago and seems like a good spot to get on the ground with a place that's changing their views on UX. Could get in there and kick some rear end and get a lead role or get into their research side that doesn't really exist right now. Plus Chicago would give me a better quality of life and the job would most likely pay more and I'm not staring at possibly having to rehome one of my dogs bc she would do poorly in the dog hating city of NYC. Also wouldn't have to sell my car, could afford to live close to climbing and bouldering and also still live close to the lake and a mass transit line.
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qirex posted:lol 4 hours before my interview the recruiter cheerfully emails "hey, could you email over your portfolio files in advance? you could also just send them a link" internal or external recruiter? I'm seeing companies with internal recruiters like that are huge red flags imho. also had that suspicion confirmed 1-2 times already. CrazyLittle posted:I just used all the startup questions (in various forms) and will be receiving an offer monday got offer (days ago), signed, gave notice, drinking coffee. 
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I interviewed for a design strategist role at Chase a few years ago, I didn’t take it because the salary offer was kind of sad and there would have been a lot of travel but it’s a big group and they’re definitely investing in UX.
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CrazyLittle posted:internal or external recruiter? internal recruiter story: facebook recruiter reached out to me last year and the first thing I told them was that I would not commute down the peninsula from the east/north bay. during the second phone screen the interviewer kept insisting that their company shuttle was amazing.
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qirex posted:I interviewed for a design strategist role at Chase a few years ago, I didn’t take it because the salary offer was kind of sad and there would have been a lot of travel but it’s a big group and they’re definitely investing in UX. They might have change tune cause it's a 6 figgie w-2 contract and looking to roll over to perm in 6 months. I did contracting with this tech co last time and it's how I got my current job. My skillset is definitely more advanced over what they're playing with so I could do well.
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CrazyLittle posted:internal recruiter story: facebook recruiter reached out to me last year and the first thing I told them was that I would not commute down the peninsula from the east/north bay. during the second phone screen the interviewer kept insisting that their company shuttle was amazing. I got hit up by a fb recruiter about two weeks ago wanted to talk to me about a position by phone. I said to email me more information about it, and she replied "Well we're looking for X years of experience and you only have Y."
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Fortified after talking in family, friends, and MononcQc's advice. Going to be heading over on the 14th for an on site on the 15th. Also had an ok phone interview with Square, and a great one with NYT today. I think NYT will lead to an on-site. Coderpad is much nicer than a google doc. I hope they add intellisense for swift soon.
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oh man I forgot how physically draining interviewing is but I think today’s went well and it will be insane if my first onsite leads to an offer
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Well after a shitload of interviews since December it looks like I've finally got the figgies. Going to be very nervous until my actual start date. This thread helped a lot tbh. Ty all.
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Kilometres Davis posted:Well after a shitload of interviews since December it looks like I've finally got the figgies. hell yeah friend, get that 
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i have a big N phone interview coming up and they sent me 25 links and 3 book recommendations to prepare lmao
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Woodstock posted:[*]Reframe this role from a 'senior' to leadership role. Acknowledge that it's functional leadership at first, with the understanding that a further salary review is to happen (and get it into contract?) if this role was to take on direct-reports. totally pointless
Woodstock posted:[*]At the in-person meeting bring up glassdoor and paysa data. (Has that ever gone well for anyone?) well duh, negotiate hard on the stuff you care about hard data points are cool but glassdoor tends to shoot low because it's dissatisfied people thinking about jumping ship who provide data it's unlikely this is gonna pan out, though -- if they lowballed you at the outset, like, below what is obviously available on poo poo like glassdoor, they are probably not interested in being talked upwards
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levels.fyi has good data
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Doing online coding tests for tech company internships right now and generally regretting my life choices.
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Rude Mechanical posted:Doing online coding tests for tech company internships right now and generally regretting my life choices. christ, go eat poo poo woe is me, i have to exercise a modicum of effort to print my ticket to the life of riley a tech company internship on your resume is a guarantee of high-dollar employment for thirty plus years, assuming your health holds up. suck it up and take the loving tests
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2019 is a year in which you can get six figure jobs by filling out internet questionnaires, enjoy it
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It's not so much the fact that I have to do them that is the problem, more that I'm quite poo poo at them.
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