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I don't really disagree with you that much, there is a lot to like about the sequence. When I saw the movie for the first time I came away impressed by it alone basically. But I found it impossible to unsee how sloppy it is at the edges once I could look at it under more of a microscope with the home video release. I don't really know whether it's more of a choreography or framing or editing problem, but in any case it forever made the whole thing feel lazy and shoddy to me. To be fair I don't like the rest of the film and the emotional aspect is a dud IMO, so it doesn't get far on anything but its own narrow technical merits for me.
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No Mods No Masters posted:I don't really disagree with you that much, there is a lot to like about the sequence. When I saw the movie for the first time I came away impressed by it alone basically. But I found it impossible to unsee how sloppy it is at the edges once I could look at it under more of a microscope with the home video release. I don't really know whether it's more of a choreography or framing or editing problem, but in any case it forever made the whole thing feel lazy and shoddy to me. To be fair I don't like the rest of the film and the emotional aspect is a dud IMO, so it doesn't get far on anything but its own narrow technical merits for me. If there's an emotional disconnect I can definitely understand how that influences your opinion of the fight. That's fair  I personally connect with movie a lot and put it up there as one of the saga's best.
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Apr 5, 2019 03:05
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teagone posted:Hard disagree. There's a lot to like about the sequence. It's visually striking in both color and structure, and the camera movement/editing captures the choreography in such an effective manner that makes it all not just look super violent, but it also feels super violent. Those hard hits and sparks spewing about are such a great addition to upping the brutality not really seen in lightsaber fights before it. The sequence as a whole is a great technical feat that showcases the hero and the villain in absolutely compelling fashion. okay now talk about the vanishing knife and the red soldier guy who obviously misses his cues also the red guys who very obviously aim at kylo's weapon before he hold it out for them to hit
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Apr 5, 2019 03:12
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:okay now talk about the vanishing knife and the red soldier guy who obviously misses his cues also the red guys who very obviously aim at kylo's weapon before he hold it out for them to hit They're scared of facing down two Jedi and fumble their poo poo? Ben did just kill Snoke at that point. They gotta be making GBS threads their pants.
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Apr 5, 2019 03:16
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:okay now talk about the vanishing knife and the red soldier guy who obviously misses his cues also the red guys who very obviously aim at kylo's weapon before he hold it out for them to hit Nobody noticed that when they watched it in the cinemas, same as nobody noticed Elsa's braid moving through her arm the first time they saw it.
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Apr 5, 2019 03:28
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To be honest I didn't notice that stuff in the film that was said in the post I was replying to. Knife disappearing? What? I'm blinded by pure fanboyism I guess.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Nobody noticed that when they watched it in the cinemas, same as nobody noticed Elsa's braid moving through her arm the first time they saw it. Well I mean I did because I have Bayformer brain
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Apr 5, 2019 04:04
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I loved the fight when I saw the film in a cinema. I ended up hating the movie, mostly due to what happened afterwards, but after enduring some good parts (anything with Luke, Rey, Kylo, Snoke) and some bad parts (the Finn/Rose plotline), I thought something really good and interesting was happening. Kylo and Rey working together was actually more intersting to me than the fight itself. As much as I dislike TLJ now, I gotta say watching it in a cinema for the first time was an experience. Not a good one but it was something.
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teagone posted:Hard disagree. There's a lot to like about the sequence. It's visually striking in both color and structure, and the camera movement/editing captures the choreography in such an effective manner that makes it all not just look super violent, but it also feels super violent. Those hard hits and sparks spewing about are such a great addition to upping the brutality not really seen in lightsaber fights before it. The sequence as a whole is a great technical feat that showcases the hero and the villain in absolutely compelling fashion. Yeah I don't really like TLJ but this was one of the better scenes in it.
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Apr 5, 2019 18:07
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teagone posted:and when Kylo force pulls Rey's saber into her hand after cleaving Snoke in half as the iconic music starts to swell is just pure cinematic joy. I don't guess it's a really meaningful distinction either way, but I always assumed Rey force pulled the saber to herself. Clearly Kylo swiveled it and turned it on, but I thought Rey immediately caught on to his plan and finished the job. You might be right, but the alternative never even occurred to me.
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I don't mind the SnokeatineThrone Room fight, but Adam and Daisy are the only good parts of it The guards should've been fewer in number so they could realistically swarm and fight them without it being a one-sided slaughter or having two or three guards literally standing around practicing Tai Chi while their brothers in arms got their faces sabered in I don't even mind the disappearing dagger since Rey still reacts like she got hit with it
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Apr 5, 2019 18:35
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General Dog posted:I don't guess it's a really meaningful distinction either way, but I always assumed Rey force pulled the saber to herself. Clearly Kylo swiveled it and turned it on, but I thought Rey immediately caught on to his plan and finished the job. You might be right, but the alternative never even occurred to me. Kylo does it. You see him move his fingers, and the lightsaber flies towards he and Rey. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3HMz25LvnY
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[edit] Beaten like Snoke's cleaved corpse.General Dog posted:I don't guess it's a really meaningful distinction either way, but I always assumed Rey force pulled the saber to herself. Clearly Kylo swiveled it and turned it on, but I thought Rey immediately caught on to his plan and finished the job. You might be right, but the alternative never even occurred to me. Kylo does a small hand gesture to pull the saber towards him, then Rey catches it. Timestamped below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4cugJ7JzvM&t=154s
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Apr 5, 2019 18:42
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teagone posted:They're scared of facing down two Jedi and fumble their poo poo? Ben did just kill Snoke at that point. They gotta be making GBS threads their pants. He basically pulled a wall hack and sniped Snoke tho. He didn't best him in combat.
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Apr 5, 2019 18:49
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ruddiger posted:He basically pulled a wall hack and sniped Snoke tho. He didn't best him in combat. The fact that he managed to do it through deception is what's nuts. The manner in which it happened doesn't really matter that much though. The guards gotta be like "the balls on this motherfucker" and realize he's legit crazy for pulling that poo poo off.
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Apr 5, 2019 18:57
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No Mods No Masters posted:The TLJ throne room fight would have had to hold up better under close analysis to be regarded as a classic. There are way way too many awkward red dudes milling around or swinging at nothing on the edges of the frame. As is it’s as much of a hollow fraud as the rest of the film It's visually impressive with the really bright as red and flames going everywhere, but the choreography is terrible.
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Apr 5, 2019 19:14
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On topic: There's some cool fan edits where the Throne Room Throwdown is synchronized with tunes like The Chain and it rules. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG27cK_tk0A You can basically put any song in the background of the sequence and it kills: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1paxmGl8uI
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Apr 5, 2019 19:22
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On the topic of edits, a guy at work linked me this - it flows really well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEQ7oy03c0o
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Apr 5, 2019 19:23
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AndyElusive posted:You can basically put any song in the background of the sequence and it kills: This one was my favorite when I first saw it on twitter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NkPTdqSwS4
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The problem with that fight is that it's two people that no one cares about that have just killed a meaningless villain we don't know and then are fighting faceless drones that weren't introduced at all, and we'll never see again. It's basically a fan trailer on Youtube.
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Apr 5, 2019 19:59
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Jerk McJerkface posted:The problem with that fight is that it's two people that no one cares about that have just killed a meaningless villain we don't know and then are fighting faceless drones that weren't introduced at all, and we'll never see again. There are two people in that room that matter, and that's enough.
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People care about Kylo and Rey. Maybe you don’t. You are right tho that the imperial guard could have had a bit more
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Jerk McJerkface posted:The problem with that fight is that it's two people that no one cares about that have just killed a meaningless villain we don't know and then are fighting faceless drones that weren't introduced at all, and we'll never see again. The fight is the spectacle (that's really well done imo). It's really more about exploring the characters of Rey and Ben. The guards and Snoke dying are just byproducts of their story being expanded. If you have an emotional disconnect with the two main characters, then yeah, I get why it would come off as pointless. Connecting with the characters is a large part of what makes the fight so compelling.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:The problem with that fight is that it's two people that no one cares about. 
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Vintersorg posted:On the topic of edits, a guy at work linked me this - it flows really well. Awww, it cuts out the sick Your Mom joke though.
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euphronius posted:People care about Kylo and Rey. Maybe you don’t. You are right tho that the imperial guard could have had a bit more I honestly can't see why you'd care about either of them. Kylo is the only marginally interesting, and that's because he's the first dork in a Star Wars and Rey might as well be a paper doll on a popsicle stick. but honestly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeK10F6iA8E
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General Dog posted:There are two people in that room that matter, and that's enough. Does cutting Snoke in half make him count as two people?
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General Dog posted:There are two people in that room that matter, and that's enough. one is disappearing knife guy and the other is
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Apr 5, 2019 21:27
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Needed to put that joke back in the mix.
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Apr 5, 2019 21:55
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Vintersorg posted:On the topic of edits, a guy at work linked me this - it flows really well. I forgot how populated the Resistance was at the start of the film.
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Apr 5, 2019 22:01
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Yo mama got nipples the size of the laser dish on the Death Star. Yo mama stank like Dagobah. Yo mama so hairy, Chewbacca looks at her and is like god drat.
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I looked up Star Wars yo mama jokes and came across this site that had a mix of them with Star Trek yo mama jokes: https://www.yomamajokesgalore.com/scifi.html They're all pretty bad, but "yo mama so fat that she caused Kamino to flood when her water broke" made me chuckle.
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the throne room fight was probably the part where i cared about kylo and rey the most, especially given that right after you can practically feel the plot getting dragged back onto the rails to boring convention
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Apr 6, 2019 03:29
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Honestly it’s what comes after that is the problem for that fight emotionally. “Maybe something interesting will happen - lol jk” isn’t a great look
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the villains in ep 9 are going to be Snoke and Darth Maul both hobbling around on robot legs, commiserating about their lost dicks
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I honestly can't see why you'd care about either of them. Kylo is the only marginally interesting, and that's because he's the first dork in a Star Wars Anakin is a huge dork, though?
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FuturePastNow posted:the villains in ep 9 are going to be Snoke and Darth Maul both hobbling around on robot legs, commiserating about their lost dicks Snoke and Maul are stitched together CatDog style.
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