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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah because death is super rare in thrones? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX9-5VXjkZY Let's complain about things that actually don't make sense instead of third-tier plot developments that we are unhappy haven't happened yet.
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General Dog posted:As far as I can tell, the only reason Berric and Thoros came back onto the show's radar was as a means to get The Hound to the North. Nothing wrong with that imo. Lord of light gave them a mission. Beric and Thoros also being part of the magnificent seven to capture a wight last season owned.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX9-5VXjkZY Hey, fair. Just throwing it out there. Words on the internet cost nothing. But yeah, small potatoes for sure. teagone posted:Nothing wrong with that imo. Lord of light gave them a mission. Beric and Thoros also being part of the magnificent seven to capture a wight last season owned. It did own, although the whole point of it was kinda weird and it sure seems to have accomplished little in the long run, as Cersei is gonna Cersei. I guess it locked in Dany but she was already kinda on board. I need to re-watch last season...
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Apr 15, 2019 22:55
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Beric's gonna die anyways. Everyone will. Just sit tight. Sheesh.
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Apr 15, 2019 22:57
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Crow Jane posted:I think Arya and Sansa are the only characters guaranteed not to die, because GRRM's wife would leave him if they did. Not joking. I'm having a hard time picturing Arya's role in a post-war Westeros.
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Apr 15, 2019 22:58
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General Dog posted:I'm having a hard time picturing Arya's role in a post-war Westeros. She'd probably gently caress off to Braavos to become the god of death or something.
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Apr 15, 2019 22:59
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Zaphod42 posted:It did own, although the whole point of it was kinda weird and it sure seems to have accomplished little in the long run, as Cersei is gonna Cersei. I guess it locked in Dany but she was already kinda on board. I need to re-watch last season... It caused Jaime to defect, and informed everyone the army of the dead and the Night King exist.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:02
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teagone posted:She'd probably gently caress off to Braavos to become the god of death or something. Or go exploring to see what's west of Westeros, like she told that actress lady in season 6.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:03
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Zaphod42 posted:D&D would never allow this sadly, Arya's got plot armor. I could see Jon dying or even Dany, but not Arya. Eh, the thing about "plot armor" is that everyone's plot armor disappears at the end.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:05
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The “everyone can die!” thing hasn’t really been true since Ned Stark as far as major characters. Jon was never going to take a random arrow. Tyrion was never going to get pneumonia. Cersei will not go to liver failure. It’s fantasy fiction. The endgame characters were pretty obvious by book/season 2 and totally obvious by 3/4. The show managed to give Rob more screen time, but even dudes like him, Cat, Oberyn, and Tywin were clear secondary players.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:06
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Phenotype posted:The thing to remember is that in Westeros, people aren't ever really that intelligent. Remember when Sam cured Jorah's greyscale, and the maester asks him how he did it, and he's like "Well, I read the instructions in the book and did what it told me to" and the maester is like "omg we never thought of that!" Man this is a great breakdown of the entire GoT universe, it explains everything minus the magic
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Apr 15, 2019 23:07
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They should’ve given the captured walker to Qyburn
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Apr 15, 2019 23:07
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Zaphod42 posted:
In the books theres a purple-haired edgelord called Dark Star. Thats his actual name, and people take him seriously.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:07
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Supreme Allah posted:In the books theres a purple-haired edgelord called Dark Star. Thats his actual name, and people take him seriously. Of course they do, for he is of the night!
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Apr 15, 2019 23:08
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Supreme Allah posted:In the books theres a purple-haired edgelord called Dark Star. Thats his actual name, and people take him seriously. Tell me you didn't read all his lines imagining the Batman voice.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:09
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Its a medieval society, they don't know it's corny yet.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:10
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Hah, I remember reading some thing about how Martin was genuinely surprised that fans weren't super into Dark Star.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:11
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Crow Jane posted:Or go exploring to see what's west of Westeros, like she told that actress lady in season 6. It's weird that they've built all these huge cities, a 300 mile long ice wall and huge monuments that probably took generations to build but never thought to get in a boat and go "that way" across the sea to find out what's over there. GoT makes things like boats and ballistae seem like relatively new, important inventions.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:12
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Phenotype posted:The thing to remember is that in Westeros, people aren't ever really that intelligent. Remember when Sam cured Jorah's greyscale, and the maester asks him how he did it, and he's like "Well, I read the instructions in the book and did what it told me to" and the maester is like "omg we never thought of that!" This is kinda why I really loved Brienne's countryside travels - plot in Feast and I'm always somewhat puzzled that some people hated it. Different strokes, I get that, but for me it was one of the highlights of the book. We get a lot of this with the "broken men" speech from Septon Meribald. When it comes to the show, I stopped taking it seriously pretty much after they ran out of source material and had to come up with their own plots. It's still pretty entertaining but it's gone in a totally different direction than the first seasons lead to believe.
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Kawalimus posted:Hah, I remember reading some thing about how Martin was genuinely surprised that fans weren't super into Dark Star. Dark Star was his attempt to make a new Oberyn cause he wasn't expecting people to like him so much and be so upset when he died
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Apr 15, 2019 23:13
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TeaJay posted:
Not that the source material should be taken seriously either.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:15
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Tom Gorman posted:It's weird that they've built all these huge cities, a 300 mile long ice wall and huge monuments that probably took generations to build but never thought to get in a boat and go "that way" across the sea to find out what's over there. The Summer Islanders have apparently done more exploration than any other culture (they're kinda analogous to Polynesians, I think?), but they don't show their maps to outsiders. That's from the World of Ice and Fire book, though, not sure how canonical it is.
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Tom Gorman posted:It's weird that they've built all these huge cities, a 300 mile long ice wall and huge monuments that probably took generations to build but never thought to get in a boat and go "that way" across the sea to find out what's over there. Well the Wall was built by ancient magic and real life Europeans didn't sail west until the early modern era. We don't know what the prevailing wind situation is, either.
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I think Ironborn have looked over there in the lore, but their ships have never returned.
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Tom Gorman posted:It's weird that they've built all these huge cities, a 300 mile long ice wall and huge monuments that probably took generations to build but never thought to get in a boat and go "that way" across the sea to find out what's over there. Ballista and some things yes. But boats existing prior to the white walkers is a matter of continuity. The writers for the show just don't spend as long obsessing about things as GRRM does. Which is why the show is actually ending, lol. (And to be fair, GRRM made some big mistakes, like the size of the wall being way too loving big, and changing what was going to be a 5-year time skip into a 0-year time skip causing some temporal anomalies) TeaJay posted:When it comes to the show, I stopped taking it seriously pretty much after they ran out of source material and had to come up with their own plots. It's still pretty entertaining but it's gone in a totally different direction than the first seasons lead to believe. Yep. Its just such a shame. But the show we're getting now is still entertaining at least, its just not remotely the same. Can we get another show that's just people plotting to stab each other in the back? Lycus posted:Not that the source material should be taken seriously either. It has very different flaws from D&D's show, but its definitely flawed, yeah.
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Mantis42 posted:Well the Wall was built by ancient magic and real life Europeans didn't sail west until the early modern era. We don't know what the prevailing wind situation is, either. The white walkers exist because the Andals came over and hosed up the First Men and took over Westeros. This is like, the crux of the entire lore. So we know that boats have been around forever and people were able to travel between continents already.
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Some of the posters in this thread are right tedious fucks. Episode was good. I very much enjoyed getting to see the various reunions, especially Jon and Arya. I had totally forgotten that they might touch on Jaime and Bran again so that ending got a big gasp from me and the rest of our group. And yes, I love that Bran stayed out all night to dunk on him. In terms of what's coming, my big piece of speculation is that Dany isn't actually the analogue to Jon, she's the analogue to the Night King. She's just as bad news and our heroes are going to be stuck between the two of them. I can't believe this show is almost over. My life has changed so much since it started. It's weird.
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Westeros seems to be in a dark age of sorts where a lot of technology and scientific/magical knowledge from prior ages has been lost.
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General Dog posted:Westeros seems to be in a dark age of sorts where a lot of technology and scientific/magical knowledge from prior ages has been lost. And similarly it seems like there's an organization (the Maesters) who know about both technology AND magic, but intentionally want to keep most people ignorant. Rarity posted:my big piece of speculation is that Dany isn't actually the analogue to Jon, she's the analogue to the Night King. She's just as bad news and our heroes are going to be stuck between the two of them. Interesting take. I think she's bad news too but just that she's Mad King 2.0. Its either gonna end with her being like "BEND THE KNEE OR EVERYBODY BURNS" and Jon stabs her, or she has some lame last minute redemption arc where she realizes she shouldn't be her father. Hopefully not that.
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I've always been interested in the exact relationship between the Maesters and the noble class, because it seems like yeah they are keeping the knowledge to themselves, but the prevailing attitude seems to be 'yeah that's fine, let them deal with it just keep one on staff' is it ever discussed how the Maesters are funded?
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You know, it's sort of surprising that Bran even cared enough to be there to intimidate Jamie. Bran's certainly more interested in Jamie's role in the war to come than losing his legs years ago.Zaphod42 posted:Its either gonna end with her being like "BEND THE KNEE OR EVERYBODY BURNS" and Jon stabs her, or she has some lame last minute redemption arc where she realizes she shouldn't be her father. Hopefully not that. Not sure if the dragons would indiscriminately burn a Targaryen, or if Jon even can be burned, but I presume he wouldn't need to stab her. Of course, apparently that matches the prophecy of Azor Ahai stabbing his wife so he's gonna do it. Atoramos fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Apr 15, 2019 |
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Zaphod42 posted:The white walkers exist because the Andals came over and hosed up the First Men and took over Westeros. This is like, the crux of the entire lore. The white walkers were fighting children of the forest like a billion years ago and the wall and all that poo poo was long established before the andals came.
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It turns out his hand isn't made of gold or whatever but actually dragonglass, just painted gold. So he's gonna run around backhanding all the zombies and instantly killing them
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Apr 15, 2019 23:40
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The white walkers were fighting children of the forest like a billion years ago and the wall and all that poo poo was long established before the andals came. Not according to the show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guhc75cGY2Q
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The white walkers were fighting children of the forest like a billion years ago and the wall and all that poo poo was long established before the andals came. You're right, the white walkers were from the first men and children of the forest fighting. But still, the Andals came over like thousands and thousands of years ago before the story, and have to have for people like the Starks and Targaryens to be here. So boats definitely have to exist and have for a loooooong time. Away all Goats posted:Not according to the show Yeah the show plays kinda loose with those details. That dude seems to be an Andal but could have been one of the First Men?  Either way.E: The Andals showed up 6,000 years ago, that's a long time for people to get used to the idea of boats 
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Rarity posted:Some of the posters in this thread are right tedious fucks. It's like seeing an old friend that you didn't like much but you haven't seen them in two years.
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Started reading before Storm of Swords came out when I was in high school. That was like 99-2000 I believe. It’s insane that it’s finally going to have *an* ending, even if it’s not the one I wanted more. I’ve grown to embrace and love the stupidity. Nothing better than the Davis/Mel/Jon raise dead situation. Davos: “Were both obviously good guys Jon Snow, so we should be best friends. Oh no your dead....” Davos: “Mel”, who killed my pseudo-daughter for absolutely nothing. “I know I hate you, and have pledged myself to kill you”, “but you know magic and stuff right?” “My bro over here is dead now and you can just bring him back to life right? That’s something you do right?” Mel: “Why would you think I could do that, I can’t do that, I’ll try I guess, oh hey he’s alive now” This entire process makes zero narrative sense but whatever, it’s moving plot. I’m in.
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Macaluso posted:It turns out his hand isn't made of gold or whatever but actually dragonglass, just painted gold. So he's gonna run around backhanding all the zombies and instantly killing them It will be interesting if Jamie ends up doing anything more than taking out Cersei.
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Ancient Greeks had boats and ancient China had boats, but they couldn’t manage trips long enough to find the Americas.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Ancient Greeks had boats and ancient China had boats, but they couldn’t manage trips long enough to find the Americas. Yeah that's true, and we don't know what if anything is to the west of Westeros. It really does mirror Europe pretty well, being close enough to Asia but not close enough to America. GOT is just the war of the roses with dragons and zombies added in halfway through.
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