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Hairy Busey
Jan 5, 2019

by FactsAreUseless
I'll be honest, I picked this article just because the headline was great and made me smile.

It's a real confluence of related but different topics popular with goons. I fondly remember the old seasteading fiction thread and am glad this movement is finally getting the attention it deserves.

Bitcoin couple may face death penalty in Thailand over 'seasteading' effort
https://www.foxnews.com/world/bitcoin-thailand-seasteading-american-couple-death-threat

quote:

A dream to live at sea has left an American Bitcoin investor and his Thai partner in hot water with officials in Thailand, and the two may face life in prison or death over violating the country’s sovereignty.

Thai authorities raided a floating home on Thursday in the Andaman Sea belonging to Chad Elwartowski and Supranee Thepdet, known as Nadia, who sought to be pioneers in the "seasteading" movement which promotes living in international waters to be free of any nation's laws.

The couple had gone into hiding earlier this week, with Elwartowski claiming Monday in a Facebook post that has since been deleted that "Thailand wants us killed."

"Hunting us down to our death is just plain stupid and highlights exactly the reason someone would be willing to go out in middle of the ocean to get away from governments," he wrote. "We never had any ill intentions and I even state plainly several times that I would not want to be a citizen of any seastead nation that would have me."

The couple had been living part-time on a small structure they said was anchored outside Thailand's territorial waters, just over 12 nautical miles from shore.

"We were hoping to bring tourism to Phuket with an underwater restaurant, floating hotels and medical research, tech jobs, etc. We had 3 wealthy entrepreneurs in the past week tell us they were coming to live in Phuket because they were excited about the project," Elwartowski wrote.

A promotional video from March showed the couple toasting champagne to the future on the open water, with Elwartowski saying the home built by Ocean Builders was the first of an additional 20 homes planned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bceePdFruU

"We're looking forward to freedom-loving people to come join us out on the open ocean," he said.

Instagram photos and video posted by Nadia, also known as "bitcoingirlthailand," also showed life out at sea.

But Thailand's navy said the couple's outpost still endangered national sovereignty, charging them with article 119 of the Thai Criminal Code, an offense punishable by life imprisonment or death.

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ShortyMR.CAT
Sep 25, 2008

:blastu::dogcited:
Lipstick Apathy
Thailand doesn't gently caress around apparently

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH
Gee I wonder what kind of serious business interests they were attracting in those lawless waters with their bitcoin resort plans, I'm sure Thailand would love the extra attention in a city literally called gently caress it

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
I like cookies.
yeah I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to encourage internet wierdos to build a floating trailer park just outside my fence either

Hairy Busey
Jan 5, 2019

by FactsAreUseless

Private Cumshoe posted:

Gee I wonder what kind of serious business interests they were attracting in those lawless waters with their bitcoin resort plans, I'm sure Thailand would love the extra attention in a city literally called gently caress it

They said underwater restaurants and medical research.

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Pillbug
I'm the doctor that wants to conduct bitcoin fueled medical research in international waters, far from any regulatory bodies.

toiletbrush
May 17, 2010
that dude sounds like this except unironically
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiYcJvDvzZQ

IT BURNS
Nov 19, 2012

Tech jobs and medical research, lmao.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
I fully support Thai monarch and/or prime minister in this endeavour and wish them all the best.

Brute Hole Force
Dec 25, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

ShortyMR.CAT posted:

Thailand doesn't gently caress around apparently

Only if you pay by the hour.

redgubbinz
May 1, 2007

Oh no those aren't screams, it's, uh, whale song. Yeah. How are the pork chops? They're very fresh, you know.

e: lol nice fox news link grampa

Taima
Dec 31, 2006

tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know

Private Cumshoe posted:

Gee I wonder what kind of serious business interests they were attracting in those lawless waters with their bitcoin resort plans, I'm sure Thailand would love the extra attention in a city literally called gently caress it

Oh I get it, the funny joke is that it sounds like a thing in english, drat do you have any more comedy work I can check out?

It's "foo-ket" btw if you're trying to pronounce it.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
kill all bitcoins

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
Reminder Thailand is also the same place a different online drug kingpin who operated a darknet market under the admin email pimpalex91@hotmail.com moved to.

He later hanged himself in prison when the cops noticed him buying up mansions and boats with bitcoin drug money.

I hope this isn't considered doxxing but this the mastermind behind pimpalex91@hotmail.com operating a darknet market and moving to Thailand

EorayMel fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Apr 18, 2019

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
Also reminder Bruce Wagner insisted on his bitcoin convention being held in Pattaya,Thailand AKA the child sex capital of the world instead of Bangkok

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

Hairy Busey posted:

They said underwater restaurants and medical research.

boy i wonder what kind of medical research is easier to do in international waters

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Pillbug
I vaguely recall a goon story of a guy who was like "guys I'm selling drugs in Thailand and the cops are maybe after me what am I gonna do :derp: "and people were like "welp stop selling and stop being in Thailand" and he's like "hmm other suggestions please".

Or maybe it was only posted here :thunk:

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

Taima posted:

Oh I get it, the funny joke is that it sounds like a thing in english, drat do you have any more comedy work I can check out?

It's "foo-ket" btw if you're trying to pronounce it.

Actually it's with a P sound (yes like "poo ket") if you're trying to pronounce it

Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




Yeah at this point I think it's safe to assume that anyone involved in bitcoin or Libertarianism is just a child rapist.

And I don't care about the "right way" to pronounce Phuket, I am willing to bet that when HE talked about his dream of a child sex dungeon for sex tourists in international waters, HE referred to it as "gently caress-it."

'Cuz all this wanting to get away from government bullshit is just about wanting to rape children without "The Man" coming down on you and throwing you in jail.

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH

Hairy Busey posted:

They said underwater restaurants and medical research.

lol yeah I bet bitcoin entrepreneurs would love an underwater pizza parlor for business lunches while conducting their totally ethical medical research

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
If you need to conduct research in a place created expressly to be free of laws you probably shouldn't be allowed to do it. That said he does kind of a point that death is a pretty harsh punishment for squatting, just park a destroyer there and evict them.

Brother Tadger
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!

Mooey Cow posted:

I vaguely recall a goon story of a guy who was like "guys I'm selling drugs in Thailand and the cops are maybe after me what am I gonna do :derp: "and people were like "welp stop selling and stop being in Thailand" and he's like "hmm other suggestions please".

Or maybe it was only posted here :thunk:

No, I remember that thread, too. People were talking about ways to smuggle themselves into Cambodia and Laos and it went off the rails pretty quick.

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


Thailand isn't obligated by it's criminal code to kill them, it's just possible for anyone convicted of that crime to get it. Though with Thai courts under a military junta who knows!

Brother Tadger
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!

Hopefully they seize all of his bitcoins and make their own underwater restaurants.

kazr
Jan 28, 2005

Goodpancakes posted:

Thailand isn't obligated by it's criminal code to kill them, it's just possible for anyone convicted of that crime to get it. Though with Thai courts under a military junta who knows!

I'm thinking they want to create a strong precedent of "stay the gently caress away from our waters"

Pewdiepie
Oct 31, 2010

Hairy Busey posted:

I'll be honest, I picked this article just because the headline was great and made me smile.

It's a real confluence of related but different topics popular with goons. I fondly remember the old seasteading fiction thread and am glad this movement is finally getting the attention it deserves.

Bitcoin couple may face death penalty in Thailand over 'seasteading' effort
https://www.foxnews.com/world/bitcoin-thailand-seasteading-american-couple-death-threat

So why would Thailand be able to charge them with article 119 if they are just outside of Thai waters? Seems like they should have picked waters that are more international, or at least waters just outside of the borders of a nation that does not enforce a death penalty for infringing on their borders.

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Probation
Can't post for 6 days!
Hell Gem

Pewdiepie posted:

So why would Thailand be able to charge them with article 119 if they are just outside of Thai waters? Seems like they should have picked waters that are more international, or at least waters just outside of the borders of a nation that does not enforce a death penalty for infringing on their borders.

Who's going to stop them?

Noblesse Obliged
Apr 7, 2012

Pewdiepie posted:

So why would Thailand be able to charge them with article 119 if they are just outside of Thai waters? Seems like they should have picked waters that are more international, or at least waters just outside of the borders of a nation that does not enforce a death penalty for infringing on their borders.

Thailand can't but the entity known as THAILAND sought joinder and flew a striped flag at half mast during a strong gale and therefore isn't subject to your "rules"

Pewdiepie
Oct 31, 2010

Bum the Sad posted:

Who's going to stop them?

Nobody I guess especially due to the owner's insistence on being stateless. Another thought I had - wouldn't setting up a seastead and majorly publicizing it make you a soft target for pirates? Seems like a doomed effort all in all.

Turrurrurrurrrrrrr
Dec 22, 2018

I hope this is "battle" enough for you, friend.

Should just do it in Gulf of Mexico, but those international waters probably have permanent cia torture platforms. I mean in the end it's all the same, but I can't see any international waters near Thailand.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo
Bitcoiner gets death penalty is a pretty good headline.

Brute Hole Force
Dec 25, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Pewdiepie posted:

So why would Thailand be able to charge them with article 119 if they are just outside of Thai waters? Seems like they should have picked waters that are more international, or at least waters just outside of the borders of a nation that does not enforce a death penalty for infringing on their borders.

Universal jurisdiction and piracy clauses. :commissar:

dirty shrimp money
Jan 8, 2001

kazr posted:

I'm thinking they want to create a strong precedent of "stay the gently caress away from our waters"

That’s got to be it, especially with China right there with a recent history of creating islands to muscle other countries out of economic zones.

Woden
May 6, 2006

Pewdiepie posted:

So why would Thailand be able to charge them with article 119 if they are just outside of Thai waters? Seems like they should have picked waters that are more international, or at least waters just outside of the borders of a nation that does not enforce a death penalty for infringing on their borders.

They're still in the exclusive economic zone which extends 200nmi. I don't really understand the laws but it sounds like Thailand owns everything under water out there and can use it for resources like wind farms, fishing, oil exploration and poo poo like that.

They might have been able to get away with just chilling out there on a boat, but putting a permanent structure in a sovereign countries EEZ sounds like a pretty bad idea.

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


Nothing stops them because there isn't a universal immutable law that governs the Universe. A collection of other people would need to form a government and bring protest to the Thai government (like the actual country he held citizenship in before rejecting the system). The delicious bottom line of all of this is the complete rejection of the cooperative nature of modern living that he took completely for granted coming back to bite him.

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


Additionally even if they setup in the middle of the ocean the Thai government, or any other government, could just swing by and oppress them with virtual impunity. It's the reason why governments exist. It's just another long sigh as they recreate the tragedy of history while being arrogant enough to never learn from it. You know, libertarians.

Brute Hole Force
Dec 25, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Best case scenario is Amnesty International, the UN or some other large international group issues Thailand a statement to the effect of, "We would prefer it if you didn't kill them but it's your call my dude. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "

No one gives a poo poo if they live or die but other idiots libertarians.

Brute Hole Force fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Apr 19, 2019

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

1redflag posted:

No, I remember that thread, too. People were talking about ways to smuggle themselves into Cambodia and Laos and it went off the rails pretty quick.

Wasn't he unwilling to unload his drugs, and just wanted to stay put even though he was sure that the cops were closing in? I seem to remember it was pretty much the worst possible, "hey guy's I'm stuck in a well, should I keep digging?" scenario the forums ever had.

China could build an island 35 feet off Thailand's coast and they won't be able to do poo poo. With the exception of Korea, Taiwan, and Japan, there isn't a nation around that area that can even begin to posture militarily to keep China from taking what they want. Also, given that China doesn't recognize any nations sovereignty of their sea borders, they can always spin it as self-defense. . . because they are defending their waters.

Blistex fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Apr 19, 2019

Former DILF
Jul 13, 2017

A bitcoin billionaire was walking around a Lamborghini dealership.

A salesman walks up and says to him “I bet you’re thinking about buying a Lamborghini”

The bitcoin billionaire replies “No, I know I’m buying a Lamborghini... I’m thinking about child porn”

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Evil Agita
Feb 25, 2005

Lord Fool, give me another chance. I'll prove my strength to you!
Lol the King of Thailand wears crop tops, has sleeve and back tats, made his dog the air mashal- then made the queen go topless and act like a dog at his dogs extravagant birthday party while filming it. That video is on the internet, idk how it got uploaded but you'll probably get killed trying to watch it in Thailand.

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