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Aumanor
Nov 9, 2012

Haifisch posted:

He's not, sadly.

Although I'm not really sure how he'd work now that there aren't any rods except the lightning one.

Put rods back in the game?

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girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Also, Mbaska what the gently caress your ghost just nearly murdered me from full despite being yellow. You tanked a loving Holy Word.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

Aumanor posted:

Put rods back in the game?
This would be good and I'd be for it.

Also, bring back stackable elemental evokers and don't have all the fire lamps in the world lose their charge because I fired one off.

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

by VideoGames

baby delivery truck posted:

The tile should look like fancy bogarts.

:colbert:

someone awful.
Sep 7, 2007


Adding a modified type of rods, and pakellas, are both on the gooncrawl 2.0 roadmap! so they'll happen someday, probably, maybe?

I'm more interested in Nemelex rework, though, myself

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Cardiovorax posted:

Pakellas: the original god that was just too fun to ever be allowed to exist in Crawl.

He'd be rather incompatible with Djinns, too, but I suppose you could just put a racial limit on that.

I was glad to get a DD win with Pakellas in the short period he was available. He was too much fun to not get at least a win with.

Hooplah
Jul 15, 2006


I had always loved rods and pakellas conceptually and was extremely sad when the devs nixed him.

Rods/Pakellas 2020

Araganzar
May 24, 2003

Needs more cowbell!
Fun Shoe
what unholy sorcery is this

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Araganzar posted:

what unholy sorcery is this


Unpopular opinion, the lungs of Zot 5 should have a runed door. If the Hall of Blades does, why doesn't the most important single area in the entire game?

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.
Runed doors can only be opened by the player. Is baiting out the guardians of the orb hall a very common strategy? If it is, then that might affect the difficulty curve of the endgame.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

PMush Perfect posted:

Unpopular opinion, the lungs of Zot 5 should have a runed door. If the Hall of Blades does, why doesn't the most important single area in the entire game?
It doesn't matter much when permanent tele traps have half the lungs teleporting to the rest of the level anyway. :v:

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Cardiovorax posted:

Runed doors can only be opened by the player. Is baiting out the guardians of the orb hall a very common strategy? If it is, then that might affect the difficulty curve of the endgame.
Just don't close it again once you open it. It's just so you can clear out the not-lungs part without an ancient lich rolling up to ruin your day.

someone awful.
Sep 7, 2007


PMush Perfect posted:

Just don't close it again once you open it. It's just so you can clear out the not-lungs part without an ancient lich rolling up to ruin your day.

there's still teleport traps all over inside of the lungs, though, and if you're making noise clearing the outside bit you'll probably wake stuff up that'll wander into the teleport traps and show up to say hi.

that said, getting ambushed before going in to clear the lungs isn't something i've ever had a problem with so maybe i just don't have the right mindset to understand why you'd want a runed door there v:shobon:v

e: i did have this z5 layout recently that i seriously appreciated though

someone awful. fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Apr 20, 2019

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

someone awful. posted:

there's still teleport traps all over inside of the lungs, though, and if you're making noise clearing the outside bit you'll probably wake stuff up that'll wander into the teleport traps and show up to say hi.

that said, getting ambushed before going in to clear the lungs isn't something i've ever had a problem with so maybe i just don't have the right mindset to understand why you'd want a runed door there v:shobon:v

e: i did have this z5 layout recently that i seriously appreciated though



How the gently caress did that work? You had to teleport into the lungs?

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

someone awful. posted:

there's still teleport traps all over inside of the lungs, though, and if you're making noise clearing the outside bit you'll probably wake stuff up that'll wander into the teleport traps and show up to say hi.

that said, getting ambushed before going in to clear the lungs isn't something i've ever had a problem with so maybe i just don't have the right mindset to understand why you'd want a runed door there v:shobon:v

e: i did have this z5 layout recently that i seriously appreciated though



I think the idea is 'flavor' instead of any material gain.

someone awful.
Sep 7, 2007


Arivia posted:

How the gently caress did that work? You had to teleport into the lungs?

nah, i'm standing on an upstair thankfully.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
And that's a Fo, so they wouldn't have been able to tele there anyway. :v: (Digging would work if there wasn't an upstair there, at least)

Araganzar
May 24, 2003

Needs more cowbell!
Fun Shoe
So I'm in Mnoleg's lair and I start getting corrupted by Entropic Weave. Nothing on the screen, I move away, run halfway across the dungeon and it keeps firing on me. Eventually I'm at -32 AC and I have to quaff cancellation. I have see invis, what the hell was doing this? I didn't see the malign gateways opening either....

pre:
 You kill the cacodemon!
 Vehumet accepts your kill.
_You feel your power returning. The entropic weave corrodes you!
 The dungeon shakes, a horrible noise fills the air, and a portal to some
_otherworldly place is opened!
 Your spellforged servitor disappears in a puff of smoke!
_The entropic weave corrodes you! x2
 You feel a surge of power!
_You summon a servant imbued with your destructive magic!
 You now have 42/48 mp.
_The entropic weave corrodes you!
_The entropic weave corrodes you!
_MP restored: 48
_Your spellforged servitor disappears in a puff of smoke!
_The entropic weave corrodes you!
 The dungeon shakes, a horrible noise fills the air, and a portal to some
_otherworldly place is opened!
_The entropic weave corrodes you!
 You feel less protected from missiles.
 You lose control of your reserved spells!
 Your magical effects are unravelling.
 You feel magically purged.
_You are no longer corroded.
_You feel very safe from missiles.
Edit: Fired off 2 more times, maybe there's some super-long-running version of this spell?

Araganzar fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Apr 20, 2019

Sage Grimm
Feb 18, 2013

Let's go explorin' little dude!
It's not, at least in the main branch of crawl. The only monster with that spell is the Entropy Weaver which isn't invisible and it's a single-cast spell, no duration on it.

someone awful.
Sep 7, 2007


Araganzar posted:

So I'm in Mnoleg's lair and I start getting corrupted by Entropic Weave. Nothing on the screen, I move away, run halfway across the dungeon and it keeps firing on me. Eventually I'm at -32 AC and I have to quaff cancellation. I have see invis, what the hell was doing this? I didn't see the malign gateways opening either....

pre:
 You kill the cacodemon!
 Vehumet accepts your kill.
_You feel your power returning. The entropic weave corrodes you!
 The dungeon shakes, a horrible noise fills the air, and a portal to some
_otherworldly place is opened!
 Your spellforged servitor disappears in a puff of smoke!
_The entropic weave corrodes you! x2
 You feel a surge of power!
_You summon a servant imbued with your destructive magic!
 You now have 42/48 mp.
_The entropic weave corrodes you!
_The entropic weave corrodes you!
_MP restored: 48
_Your spellforged servitor disappears in a puff of smoke!
_The entropic weave corrodes you!
 The dungeon shakes, a horrible noise fills the air, and a portal to some
_otherworldly place is opened!
_The entropic weave corrodes you!
 You feel less protected from missiles.
 You lose control of your reserved spells!
 Your magical effects are unravelling.
 You feel magically purged.
_You are no longer corroded.
_You feel very safe from missiles.
Edit: Fired off 2 more times, maybe there's some super-long-running version of this spell?

i think cacodemons can do entropic weave (instead of malmut) in gooncrawl but if there's nothing on the screen i have absolutely no idea :psyduck:

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

I don't know if it helps but I've seen cacos do it through walls without having LoS.

Panic! at Nabisco
Jun 6, 2007

it seemed like a good idea at the time
Whoever said to use Devastator with WJC thank you, I am the greatest flying wuxia octopus and I just oneshot a hydra in lair with a wall jump

e: Help, I have no idea how to Op. I've been getting by on WJC actions being absurd with devastator, but every combat is terrifying and I'm not sure what to aim for. Grab book of dreams and work toward time stop as a win condition?

Panic! at Nabisco fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Apr 20, 2019

Floodkiller
May 31, 2011

Scaramouche posted:

I don't know if it helps but I've seen cacos do it through walls without having LoS.

That sounds like the bug :negative:

Araganzar
May 24, 2003

Needs more cowbell!
Fun Shoe

Floodkiller posted:

That sounds like the bug :negative:

ITS OKAY ME WIN!

pre:
21084446 araganzar the Archmage (level 27, 201/201 HPs)
             Began as a Faerie Dragon Conjurer on Apr 17, 2019.
             Was the Champion of Vehumet.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 15 runes on Apr 20, 2019!

             The game lasted 10:29:30 (72574 turns).

Best Crawlers -
  1.21084446 araganzar  FDCj-27 escaped with the Orb
  2.13866494 Arivia     DsAc-27 escaped with the Orb
  3.13850234 Haifisch   NaAc-27 escaped with the Orb
Was just going to 4 rune then I got CBlink, Singularity, and Necromutation in Zot. Singularity totally bamfoozled Dispater. Also in trouble against Cerebov, just cblinked back, dropped a singularity, and channeled MP.

Took a trap door to Tartarus 7 and wound up in a room with Eresh, Serpent of Hell and 3 Tizimis while in Lich Form.

I really don't think Necromute was needed, I think the key to extended is having spellforged servitor who's only casting Iron Shot / LCS and having a giant evoke for channeling. You could probably shave quite a bit off this time by focusing elemental training but this is about as fast as I'm comfortable going with a caster, I wound up exploring almost all the main dungeon and branches.

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Speaking of bugs I found an odd wrinkle (that's probably not a bug). I still have the build that crashes on Lear's Hauberk +33 {cloud immunity} (not your fault FK, I only play offline tiles) and it doesn't trigger a crash if you get Lear's Hauberk from your Archaeology box. Which makes sense I guess, since that check is firing on itemgen and the box only chooses from unrand arts. Of course I was a DSArc and got to wear it for about 10 turns before my feet mutated away but still...

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Araganzar posted:

ITS OKAY ME WIN!

pre:
21084446 araganzar the Archmage (level 27, 201/201 HPs)
             Began as a Faerie Dragon Conjurer on Apr 17, 2019.
             Was the Champion of Vehumet.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 15 runes on Apr 20, 2019!

             The game lasted 10:29:30 (72574 turns).

Best Crawlers -
  1.21084446 araganzar  FDCj-27 escaped with the Orb
  2.13866494 Arivia     DsAc-27 escaped with the Orb
  3.13850234 Haifisch   NaAc-27 escaped with the Orb
Was just going to 4 rune then I got CBlink, Singularity, and Necromutation in Zot. Singularity totally bamfoozled Dispater. Also in trouble against Cerebov, just cblinked back, dropped a singularity, and channeled MP.

Took a trap door to Tartarus 7 and wound up in a room with Eresh, Serpent of Hell and 3 Tizimis while in Lich Form.

I really don't think Necromute was needed, I think the key to extended is having spellforged servitor who's only casting Iron Shot / LCS and having a giant evoke for channeling. You could probably shave quite a bit off this time by focusing elemental training but this is about as fast as I'm comfortable going with a caster, I wound up exploring almost all the main dungeon and branches.

Well I had the highest score for like eight hours :v:

Floodkiller
May 31, 2011

Reposting this from the Roguelikes Discord for anyone who is interested:
http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~ebering/crawl/csdc/0.23/index.html

TastyLemonDrops
Aug 6, 2008

you said "drop kick" fyi
You lunge at the Royal Jelly, in a flurry of attacks.
The helpless Royal Jelly fails to defend itself.
You stick the Royal Jelly like a pincushion!!!!!

EDIT: ????

n - the +10 dark maul {crush}.

A large, iron-shod maul specialised for dealing massively powerful blows. Such
power comes at a price: the maul's head is so heavy it takes a great length of
time to lift it up for another swing.

Base accuracy: -2 Base damage: 52 Base attack delay: 3.0
This weapon's minimum attack delay (1.6) is reached at skill level 28.
Your skill: 0.0; use (s) to set 27.0 as a target for Maces & Flails.
At 100% training you would reach 27.0 in the equivalent of 5.4 XLs.

TastyLemonDrops fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Apr 20, 2019

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

TastyLemonDrops posted:

n - the +10 dark maul {crush}.
What a loving pull on a stealth character. Not quite "Randart CPA before Lair on a caster" pull, but pretty close.

TastyLemonDrops
Aug 6, 2008

you said "drop kick" fyi
Advice on current steps to take? I could just take my runes into Zot, but I'm feeling kinda greedy. I've basically just been one shotting everything with my spriggan's knife through a combination of stealth, wands of paralyze, various spell shenanigans, demon guardians drawing attention, Zonguldrok zombies drawing attention, and straight up just leaving to reset aggro. In the same way that Wu Jian is hilarious with Devastator, it is extra hilarious when I can instakill three guys who don't notice me by lunging at the middle one, automatically attacking the ones on the way. I also have the arc blade, and it's just the same thing with static discharges flying everywhere whenever I decide to stand my ground and fight, or rather, running circles around my enemies and walljumping everywhere.

https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/tastylemons/tastylemons.txt

PMush Perfect posted:

What a loving pull on a stealth character. Not quite "Randart CPA before Lair on a caster" pull, but pretty close.

Boots of the Assassin turn all weapon stabs into short blade ones, right? I could pull some serious damage with this thing, potentially. I don't know how useful it'd be though, considering I already one shot everything up to the Royal Jelly.

Araganzar
May 24, 2003

Needs more cowbell!
Fun Shoe

Arivia posted:

Well I had the highest score for like eight hours :v:

Yikes I'm that guy aren't I? I remember your post now but your score isn't showing up on the high scores or on your score page for Gooncrawl. :confused:

At least you didn't get your score beat by a guy who only did 15 runes. Sorry, I bet it was cool getting the results screen and seeing you'd beaten Haif's score though, were you aware you would be close?

Hope you get a FDCj going. The secret with that battlesphere is it will shoot at your target (even if you hit something else it will aim for your target) and it will move up to 1 square to position where it can see the target. So you can block it and if it's behind you in a corridor you will have to take a step back. You can shoot through your battlesphere with no issues. I did a poor job explaining that in chat.


TastyLemonDrops posted:

Boots of the Assassin turn all weapon stabs into short blade ones, right? I could pull some serious damage with this thing, potentially. I don't know how useful it'd be though, considering I already one shot everything up to the Royal Jelly.

What you need to do here is see how many ! you can get on your damage message, like this: You crush the hypothetically optimal stab victim like a grape!!!!!

18 damage is !! and it doubles each time so 36 for !!!, 72 for !!!!, etc. You need sleeping victims for the most damage. Observe and report! report!!!!!!!!

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

PMush Perfect posted:

What a loving pull on a stealth character. Not quite "Randart CPA before Lair on a caster" pull, but pretty close.
The desire sensor is real.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Stupid question, are there RC_file setting for butchering during auto-explore at Hungry instead of Very Hungry? And/or always chopping all whenever I butcher corpses at a pile? Both of these things make the otherwise clean auto-explore process take forever and break the flow.

Araganzar
May 24, 2003

Needs more cowbell!
Fun Shoe
This seems like a fair vault for D10:


PMush Perfect posted:

Stupid question, are there RC_file setting for butchering during auto-explore at Hungry instead of Very Hungry? And/or always chopping all whenever I butcher corpses at a pile? Both of these things make the otherwise clean auto-explore process take forever and break the flow.

#auto_butcher=full
#auto_butcher=very full
auto_butcher=hungry
confirm_butcher=never
tile_web_mouse_control = false

Use very full for gourmand. I use full if I have gourmand and want to stop at very full so I can eat mutagenic chunks.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

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Araganzar posted:

#auto_butcher=full
#auto_butcher=very full
auto_butcher=hungry
confirm_butcher=never
tile_web_mouse_control = false

Use very full for gourmand. I use full if I have gourmand and want to stop at very full so I can eat mutagenic chunks.
Thank you.

Tollymain
Jul 9, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
hey shopkeep can i get a better look at the book on the end of the shelf there



drat the wizard who wrote this must have been cool

HisMajestyBOB
Oct 21, 2010


College Slice

Floodkiller posted:

Reposting this from the Roguelikes Discord for anyone who is interested:
http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~ebering/crawl/csdc/0.23/index.html

Looks cool. Is it just main crawl only, or can we do a Gooncrawl version?

Floodkiller
May 31, 2011

HisMajestyBOB posted:

Looks cool. Is it just main crawl only, or can we do a Gooncrawl version?

I believe that hosted version is main crawl only as they need to pick up the milestones from a certain place on the servers for verification. Someone would have to host a Gooncrawl version themselves.

Araganzar
May 24, 2003

Needs more cowbell!
Fun Shoe
I'm playing a Dr now that would be perfect for Blade of Disaster and I guess the issue is how do I get that spell as a hybrid? Would be easy as Sif, and I've been offered it a couple times with Vehumet, but here I'm stuck getting it from Tempests or a randart book. Most charms (shroud, swiftness, rmsl, regen, dmsl) and practically every hex are available in 2 fairly common books and most are in starters. This means it's a rare combo to find a character who has this spell available during the time it would be useful.

I can say the one time I did try it I was Chei and it would place prisms that I had absolutely no hope of avoiding, especially if I had to attack an enemy to my right or left. Barring Chei, statue form is common enough on hybrids that it's a real issue. Even as a spriggan if I frequently have to move to avoid the explosion I'm quite frankly never going to use it. There are too many instances where 1-2 full turns are not worth it, especially in that it WILL force you to abandon a superior defensive position which IMO makes it a non-starter. Also makes multiple prisms rare because as soon as you summon one you have to back off and stop attacking. I would say place the prisms on the other side of the target and it's a winner.

While we are on Charms, why is Haste level 9 in Gooncrawl where stacking wands of haste are a thing? It's not even a permabuff and there's a strong mechanic (glow) to prevent abuse. I can't imagine finding room in the xp budget to buy an L9 charm when the only stop on the charm train from 3 to 9 is Deflect Missile at level 6. By the time you can even think about casting this you have a wand of haste and you've found a billion recharge scrolls. Has anyone used this spell?

Floodkiller posted:

I believe that hosted version is main crawl only as they need to pick up the milestones from a certain place on the servers for verification. Someone would have to host a Gooncrawl version themselves.

How hard would it be to get an irc channel and set up the bots (Sequell, Chei, umm Denzell I forget what else) pointing to Gooncrawl stats instead of non-forked versions? If someone could do that I could probably have beem point to those bots, but I don't know how hard they are to set up or how hard they would be to rehome to point to fork statistics and milestones.

Araganzar fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Apr 20, 2019

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girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
My only concern is "please pick the class only from the viable/highlighted options for the randomly chosen race," I don't wanna be stuck with an FDBe or something.

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