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Boinks posted:You forgot Interactive Menus!!! My friend was a programmer who worked at a company authoring HD-DVDs and he was pissed when Blu-ray won out because the interactive menus on HD-DVD were leagues better. That's the one thing I know about HD-DVDs.
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I always heard that image quality was supposed to be slightly better in HD-DVD, but I never heard how. You can't really add slightly more pixels to 1080p.
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Apr 29, 2019 20:45
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Detective No. 27 posted:I always heard that image quality was supposed to be slightly better in HD-DVD, but I never heard how. You can't really add slightly more pixels to 1080p. Bitrate and compression efficiency. 
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Apr 29, 2019 20:47
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Detective No. 27 posted:I always heard that image quality was supposed to be slightly better in HD-DVD, but I never heard how. You can't really add slightly more pixels to 1080p. I always heard that it was the other way around, and that the advantage HD-DVD had was that it was cheaper to manufacture.
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Apr 29, 2019 20:52
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I think HDDVD had slightly better picture and the players were required to do Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD, but the actual discs couldn't hold as much as a regular Blu (15gb vs 25gb, single layer).feedmyleg posted:My friend was a programmer who worked at a company authoring HD-DVDs and he was pissed when Blu-ray won out because the interactive menus on HD-DVD were leagues better. A large part of that was because the Sony consortium rushed Blu players to the market and was allowing underpowered units to be branded as Blu Ray Players. So you had things that didn't have much spare memory, couldn't handle the online connectivity to fetch updated trailers and such, and couldn't run i-menus because they could barely run the player interface to begin with. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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FilthyImp posted:A large part of that was because the Sony consortium rushed Blu players to the market and was allowing underpowered units to be branded as Blu Ray Players. So you had things that didn't have much spare memory, couldn't handle the online connectivity to fetch updated trailers and such, and couldn't run i-menus because they could barely run the player interface to begin with. I remember when I visited for Christmas and my dad wanted to show off his brand new Blu-Ray player. It had to download patches to even run, and it had trouble connecting to the internet, that was a fun time.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:03
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Bitrate and compression efficiency. I always forget about bitrate. The silent killer.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:22
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Iron Crowned posted:I remember when I visited for Christmas and my dad wanted to show off his brand new Blu-Ray player. It had to download patches to even run, and it had trouble connecting to the internet, that was a fun time. The PS3, for all its faults launching at 599 US American Dollars, was like the ONLY player at the time that was actually viable and future-proof since it could update to the finalized BR spec.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:28
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codyclarke posted:Is there something wrong with me that the thing I adore most about Blu-Rays over DVDs is the coating they put on the bottom side of the disc that makes them near impossible to scratch Oh, is that why they're like that?
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Apr 29, 2019 22:14
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Boinks posted:You forgot Interactive Menus!!! I miss those fully-animated gimmick DVD menus. Edgar Wright's Cornetto Trilogy had some great ones, as did House of 1000 Corpses. Ho1kC might have the best DVD menu ever created... too bad about the movie.
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Apr 29, 2019 22:42
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I know it’s a stupid little thing, but I miss dvd menu easter eggs. I can’t remember if I’ve ever found or heard of one on a blu menu.
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Apr 29, 2019 22:44
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Ghostbusters had cgi Staypuft Marshmallow Man stomping around a cityscape. II had the same thing but I'm pretty sure it was the Statue of Liberty in that version.
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Rirse posted:Why hasn't DVD went the way of VHS yet? It's a combination of things. The biggest contributor is probably streaming and the death of video stores. But then also the people who would still buy physical media are usually older and are frightened and confused by "new" things and generally don't want to switch formats because "We just did that a few years ago when DVDs came out!". There are also plenty of people that still think blu-rays are expensive and none of them cost less than thirty dollars. Plus there's just plenty of people who don't care how it looks. Liar Lyre posted:The biggest is Blu Ray players are backwards compatible. No need to upgrade your dusty rear end copy of Ace Ventura if your DVD still works on your 65” 4K UHD powerhouse. Few people I know seem to even own a blu-ray player and the ones that do it's because it's part of a game console. King Vidiot posted:I miss those fully-animated gimmick DVD menus. Edgar Wright's Cornetto Trilogy had some great ones, as did House of 1000 Corpses. My favorite gimmick menu ever is the one from the old Ghostbusters DVD where Stay Puft is stomping around and the menu options are all on the sides of buildings. They also had a feature where the guys doing the commentary would appear as MST3K silhouettes on the screen. I figured out by mistake that you could switch that on and off by clicking the joysticks if you watched it in a Playstation. Rand Brittain posted:Oh, is that why they're like that? Yes.
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Apr 29, 2019 23:13
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Yeah, the only people I know who have Blu-ray players are movie nerds.
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Apr 29, 2019 23:16
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feedmyleg posted:Yeah, the only people I know who have Blu-ray players are movie nerds. I feel like its timing pretty much destined it to be a niche format. Somewhere in an alternate reality blu-ray never existed and Universal Media Discs were a smash success that are in every home in America.
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Apr 29, 2019 23:19
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I know it’s a stupid little thing, but I miss dvd menu easter eggs. I can’t remember if I’ve ever found or heard of one on a blu menu. A lot of Criterion Blu-rays have easter eggs if you press the blue button on your remote on the right menu. Just press it on every menu tab (including the default one) and you'll find stuff like short intros, interviews, trailers, and even photos. Off the top of my head, these all have them: Island of Lost Souls The Royal Tenenbaums Blow Out In the Mood for Love Videodrome Repo Man Carnival of Souls The Life Aquatic (And while not in the menu, the packaging for Lone Wolf and Cub has an easter egg)
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Apr 30, 2019 01:08
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holy poo poo, as soon as I get home, I'm cracking open my copy of Lone Wolf and Cub.
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ruddiger posted:holy poo poo, as soon as I get home, I'm cracking open my copy of Lone Wolf and Cub. I can't get my spine to sit flat on that but it's worth it.
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Apr 30, 2019 02:20
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Do any Criterion blu-rays still have the color bars? I remember the DVDs did but I can't recall ever seeing that feature on a blu-ray but at least half of the Criterions I own are black and white movies.
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CPL593H posted:Do any Criterion blu-rays still have the color bars? I remember the DVDs did but I can't recall ever seeing that feature on a blu-ray but at least half of the Criterions I own are black and white movies. Yes, they all do, with the exception of Eraserhead, which has its own calibration thing but it’s pretty much the same if you know how to use the PLUGE.
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CPL593H posted:Do any Criterion blu-rays still have the color bars? I remember the DVDs did but I can't recall ever seeing that feature on a blu-ray but at least half of the Criterions I own are black and white movies. Pretty sure Eraserhead does
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How High, the Method Man & Redman stoner comedy, had a full interactive hide-and-seek game in the DVD menus, with tiny icons hidden to the left or right of, like, "Enable Spanish Language" on the audio screen. They even recorded all-new footage of them taunting or celebrating the viewer for finding or losing their "secret stash"
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Apr 30, 2019 14:27
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If you left the menu running for UHF, Weird Al would come out and tell you to make a selection already. And he would keep coming, and coming, saying different things each time, eventually begging you to make a selection already.
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Apr 30, 2019 15:56
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My favorite was This is Spinal Tap. They narrated the menus, and it was hilarious. I remember the scene selection - "what if I want to watch a scene from a different movie?"
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Apr 30, 2019 17:34
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"why didn't people make the jump from DVD?" followed by a solid page of DVD being Extremely Good
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TheScott2K posted:"why didn't people make the jump from DVD?" followed by a solid page of DVD being Extremely Good Remember when DVD first hit the scene, and we were going to have "angle options" like being able to switch between shot/reverse shot from our remote? And then nobody ever used that feature except for like exactly 1 porno and then that was the end of that. (not because of the porn, but just because it was a stupid idea that necessitated putting a lot of extra work into the release) Man, what a waste.
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Easy Diff posted:Remember when DVD first hit the scene, and we were going to have "angle options" like being able to switch between shot/reverse shot from our remote? And then nobody ever used that feature except for like exactly 1 porno and then that was the end of that. (not because of the porn, but just because it was a stupid idea that necessitated putting a lot of extra work into the release) There was a decent amount of porn that promised multi-angle, but it was always just a different scene or outtakes with the same audio. It's really disconcerting when the audio is out of sync.
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Easy Diff posted:Remember when DVD first hit the scene, and we were going to have "angle options" like being able to switch between shot/reverse shot from our remote? And then nobody ever used that feature except for like exactly 1 porno and then that was the end of that. (not because of the porn, but just because it was a stupid idea that necessitated putting a lot of extra work into the release) Some movies used it to do picture in picture for commentaries. Mallrats did that.
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There was at least one Genesis concert (I think “The Way We Walk”?) that let you switch between dedicated cameras for each band member.
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TheScott2K posted:Some movies used it to do picture in picture for commentaries. Mallrats did that. Mallrats is the DVD with the commentary track from the laserdisc release where the first thing Kevin Smith says is "gently caress DVD!" right?
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Easy Diff posted:Mallrats is the DVD with the commentary track from the laserdisc release where the first thing Kevin Smith says is "gently caress DVD!" right? that would be Chasing Amy, which came out just as DVD was ruining all the laserdisc weirds' pride in their collections. They did the Mallrats DVD a year later. Weirdly all the extras on the Mallrats DVD would have you think the movie had come out ten years prior instead of 3.
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TheScott2K posted:"why didn't people make the jump from DVD?" followed by a solid page of DVD being Extremely Good That's a handful of releases though. Most DVD menus are boring or just a still image in poor quality. And it's not like the big draw for most was a bunch of guys talking about the screen being black.
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oneforthevine posted:There was at least one Genesis concert (I think “The Way We Walk”?) that let you switch between dedicated cameras for each band member. I believe the Beastie Boys criterion dvd lets you switch between angles and takes for at least some of the videos. I have to admit that I never used the feature, as Body Movin is perfect art as is.
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Apr 30, 2019 23:18
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Some BTTF DVDs I had in the early 2000s had some commentary factoids that you could trigger, and you'd get words and graphics over the top of the movies. Except the DVD/VHS player we had would crash after it tried to display a couple of those.
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Easy Diff posted:Remember when DVD first hit the scene, and we were going to have "angle options" like being able to switch between shot/reverse shot from our remote? And then nobody ever used that feature except for like exactly 1 porno and then that was the end of that. (not because of the porn, but just because it was a stupid idea that necessitated putting a lot of extra work into the release)
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A minor thing from DVD i do not miss - on dual layer discs, half way through the film my DVD player would have a slight pause during the layer change. So minor, yet very distracting.
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Apr 30, 2019 23:53
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I remember that it did that during a very specific part in Jurassic Park 3 during the final Spinosaur confrontation. We couldn't figure out why the DVD was skipping at the time. It was a brand new disc after all, this is bullshit.
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Continuing its reputation as a fine tech demo, Final Fantasy The Spirits Within's DVD had the best menus I've ever seen. Pick a thumbnail from the scene selection and it zooms in and picks up on that exact frame with no delay. I still feel awkward when I went to see it in the theater and I was the only one who clapped at the end, because I was there to see their rendering technology and didn't really care about the movie itself.
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roffels posted:A minor thing from DVD i do not miss - on dual layer discs, half way through the film my DVD player would have a slight pause during the layer change. So minor, yet very distracting. Digital film making ruined everything.
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caligulamprey posted:In the same vein I really miss those off-putting scenes in movies that go on for a beat too long to accommodate a reel change. I've never picked up on this, could you give a good example? I'm a little more aware of reel changes these days from watching beat-up prints at our microcinema, I'll have to keep an eye out for these.
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