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- The pilot is just one big excuse to have a character go back in time and prevent Romulus from being destroyed in the Trek timeline as a plot device, and as an aside that never had to be there in the first place, blows up Romulus in the JJverse by accident. Because gently caress that/him. - Positivity and meaningful interesting political/ethical issues. - Also S31 is never heard from again because we want positivity and because Starfleet has Starfleet Intelligence already and there is nothing interesting left that you can do with S31 other than have them leak the mirror universe into everything.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:ALRIGHT, YA FOOKIN' GEEKS. in tandem the collapse of the romulan empire, vulcan holds a referendum and decides to leave the federation Star Trek: Vexit
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DS9 "season 8" "spoilers" i do not hate the idea of the alpha quadrant jem'hadar finding a new religion
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Apr 30, 2019 04:56
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:ALRIGHT, YA FOOKIN' GEEKS. A starship goes out exploring and finds weird and awesome poo poo in space each week. That's it.
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Apr 30, 2019 05:02
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lol but seriously posted:DS9 "season 8" "spoilers" i do not hate the idea of the alpha quadrant jem'hadar finding a new religion Yeah, that made a lot of sense. What do you do with all these super soldiers running around who are hard-wired to believe in gods? Give them better gods. Sometimes I read Memory Alpha entries for episodes or movies so I can see how the story went from idea to screen. Sometimes people pitch really terrible ideas that get worked into something usable through the rewrite process, or just thrown out altogether. Just part of the process. EDIT: I also want to point out I do kind of like the idea of things getting to just the right point of being hosed up that the Sisko has to awake from his slumber to set things right. Though not "your hero characters abandon all their values and become murderers" hosed up, yeesh.. Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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Apr 30, 2019 05:08
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I always enjoyed certain elements of Brian Singer's failed Star Trek revival pitch. I wonder how much of it the Discovery writers will crib seeing as how that was also set in the year 3,000. I like his proposal for what would become of the major powers: quote:Earth’s Humans have become “fat and happy” but this has led to complacency where humans are “giving up exploration for incremental colonization and focusing more on the rightness of their own cultural view over all others” The new ship's computer is a self-aware AI named M.A.J.E.L. which I kind of enjoyed. There was a crewman who was a gaseous species who wore a suit to make him appear humanoid. My pitch would be something like this but without some of his :eyeroll: ideas like a new Enterprise being captained by a descendant of Kirk, having a Borg crewman, and having the new Enterprise being secretly commissioned mainly to fight some new bad guy (but flying under the guise of spearheading a new exploration campaign). As far as "fall of the Federation" ideas go, this one wasn't too bad. It kind of set the stage that humanity is getting complacent and needs a revival, but isn't some post-apocalyptic mess or super-corrupt paranoid state or something. Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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Apr 30, 2019 05:24
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That's actually got some decent legs.
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Apr 30, 2019 05:27
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But why does the Federation need to become decadent? It is just a lazy rehash of Roman Empire style collapse without understanding why the Roman Empire fell apart and just copy/pasting it to the Federation.
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Apr 30, 2019 05:28
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Peachfart posted:But why does the Federation need to become decadent? It is just a lazy rehash of Roman Empire style collapse without understanding why the Roman Empire fell apart and just copy/pasting it to the Federation. I wouldn't do "fat and happy" but self-obsessed is not outside our species' tendencies.
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Apr 30, 2019 05:29
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The Klingons learning some chill is pretty cool too bad bryan singer is a horrible abusive pervert
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Peachfart posted:But why does the Federation need to become decadent? It is just a lazy rehash of Roman Empire style collapse without understanding why the Roman Empire fell apart and just copy/pasting it to the Federation. The pitch was kind of making the case that in the long term, utopia isn't something that can just rest on its laurels. It's more of something that needs to have some passion behind it, so our show would take place in a time where things have gotten stagnant and we're re-igniting the fire to keep the big picture moving forward. Here's some more details: https://trekmovie.com/2011/04/16/exclusive-details-excerpts-from-star-trek-federation-series-proposal/
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Tighclops posted:The Klingons learning some chill is pretty cool too bad bryan singer is a horrible abusive pervert
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Apr 30, 2019 05:39
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If you want weird, out-there ideas the JMS pitch for a Trek reboot was a pretty good read.
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Apr 30, 2019 05:40
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Peachfart posted:But why does the Federation need to become decadent? It is just a lazy rehash of Roman Empire style collapse without understanding why the Roman Empire fell apart and just copy/pasting it to the Federation. I think some of it is that the TNG era Treks kinda created a situation where the Federation was like... boringly strong compared to everyone, The Romulan Empire is hosed, the Klingons are allies and also pretty hosed from the wars, Cardassia is utterly hosed, the Dominion lost. Shaking things up a bit to rebuild utopia I think is a good idea.
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Apr 30, 2019 05:49
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:ALRIGHT, YA FOOKIN' GEEKS. The Romulan ambassador is a traditionalist and a harsh critic of the Federation. She sees the Federation has a homogenizing force, destroying the unique beauty of alien cultures. She has a particularly tense relationship with the ship's Klingon CMO, who is disdainful of Klingon traditions. At the same time, she has mixed feelings about Romulan society, which has changed considerably after absorbing much of the territory formerly occupied by the Borg. The captain is an eternal optimist who loves exploration and loves learning about alien cultures. This is contrasted by the XO, who is an absurdist and a cynic. The XO and the Dominion ambassador are drinking buddies who like to grouse about the state of modern civilization. In the newly-visited galaxy, they'll discover evidence of a highly advanced civilization, equal in scope and technology to the Federation, that vanished eons ago. Understanding that civilization and what happened to it will be an undercurrent through the first season, culminating in a season finale that will make everyone grapple with the meaning and value of culture, with the future of the galaxy at stake. My goal here is to have a continuing plot thread to tie the season together thematically while still giving plenty of room for more episodic content.
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Apr 30, 2019 06:17
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Orv posted:I give the prequels far more latitude than they deserve based solely on the quality of the fight choreography and absolutely nothing else so I'm hardly blameless. Though to be fair I'm not really a Star Wars person at all so I don't have the slavering rage about their quality as anything other than bad movies in the first place. the fight choreography is pointless and distracting and symptomatic of everything lovely about those movies, hope this helps
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Peachfart posted:But why does the Federation need to become decadent? It is just a lazy rehash of Roman Empire style collapse without understanding why the Roman Empire fell apart and just copy/pasting it to the Federation. I mean, that goes back to The Rod. Roddenberry wrote a novelization of The Motion Picture, and in it, Kirk talks about how humanity as a whole has become so risk averse, arrogant and complacent, 99% of the population can't get in Starfleet, and that it's entirely made up of this atavistic feeling of humanity that can endure hardship, take orders, and not freak out when they're exposed to something they dont understand or is superior to humanity.
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END CHEMTRAILS NOW posted:I'd set it in the 31st century, long after the previous shows. The Enterprise will be the first Federation starship to explore the neighboring galaxies. The show would be heavily focused on characters and interpersonal conflicts. The ship would have embassies aboard, with ambassadors present to observe the Federation's conduct. Too far in the future. quote:The Romulan ambassador is a traditionalist and a harsh critic of the Federation. She sees the Federation has a homogenizing force, destroying the unique beauty of alien cultures. She has a particularly tense relationship with the ship's Klingon CMO, who is disdainful of Klingon traditions. At the same time, she has mixed feelings about Romulan society, which has changed considerably after absorbing much of the territory formerly occupied by the Borg. Excellent idea. quote:The captain is an eternal optimist who loves exploration and loves learning about alien cultures. This is contrasted by the XO, who is an absurdist and a cynic. The XO and the Dominion ambassador are drinking buddies who like to grouse about the state of modern civilization. I like this a lot. quote:In the newly-visited galaxy, they'll discover evidence of a highly advanced civilization, equal in scope and technology to the Federation, that vanished eons ago. Understanding that civilization and what happened to it will be an undercurrent through the first season, culminating in a season finale that will make everyone grapple with the meaning and value of culture, with the future of the galaxy at stake. My goal here is to have a continuing plot thread to tie the season together thematically while still giving plenty of room for more episodic content. no strong opinions. if it turns out okay then woo hoo
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:ALRIGHT, YA FOOKIN' GEEKS. Deep-range exploration squadron centered around a large starship (maybe an upgraded Galaxy-class? make it the mobile starbase she always wanted to be) pushing out into unexplored space. Kick it out entirely beyond the borders of Federation space... we could start out in the outer fringes of Federation space, but by no later than mid-season the show should be firmly beyond Federation jurisdiction. Intermittent contact with Starfleet Command, get some of the old-time multi-week time delayed communications going. Maybe there's a Romulan starship/squadron lurking around as well, if we really need a familiar frenemy around, but for the most part the planets and peoples we encounter should be entirely new. Mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before. Also it's time to fully commit to Bob Justman's concept: there will be multiple Klingons in uniform and it will be a normal, unremarkable thing for the crew.
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There is nothing you couldn't have multiple ships on the same mission too if you felt the nees. I likethe idea of them hopping around galaxies so as not to just encounter planets if fhe week, but maybe vast interstellar civilizations of the week. TOS style allegorical societies scaled up so to be visually stunning with a modern budget, with opportunity for TNG style political situations.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:ALRIGHT, YA FOOKIN' GEEKS. galenanorth fucked around with this message at 04:10 on May 12, 2019 |
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All I ask of a post-Nemesis series is for the crew to include a Romulan starfleet officer. Romulus is in ruins, there’s bound to be idealists who defect to starfleet instead of staying with the dying Empire. Give them the Worf treatment and actually expand the race beyond just ‘secretive cold war enemies’. The Romulan general (ambassador?) in late-DS9 and the defector from TNG were great characters that actually gave us small glimpses at what Romulans were like beyond the subterfuge. Give me more of that. The Klingons, Vulcans, Cardassians, and Ferengi all got their due in the 90s. Even the Andorians were explored on Enterprise. The Romulans and Tellarites are like the last two big Trek races that haven’t been completely mined for stories.
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Apr 30, 2019 10:12
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gently caress a Romulan! Bus-seat-fabric rear end motherfuckers making sex slaves of Tasha Yar. I'd rather see more Tellarites.
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TV shows are like food, the best stuff has an expiration date. Revive nothing. As has been suggested countless times, I'd be down for a totally new show that incorporates some ideas from a "writers' bible" about what happened after DS9 season 7, but I do not want a literal season 8.
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Apr 30, 2019 13:10
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I can't think of one single thing from that pitch that is a good idea.
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Apr 30, 2019 13:20
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:I can't think of one single thing from that pitch that is a good idea. It’s really bad OP
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Powered Descent posted:I'm looking it over now and I've just learned that apparently Richard Moll was considered for the part of Dukat. I'm... not even sure what to say to that. Allow me to help you: "Oooooooooooooooooo-kay."
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Big Mean Jerk posted:All I ask of a post-Nemesis series is for the crew to include a Romulan starfleet officer. Romulus is in ruins, there’s bound to be idealists who defect to starfleet instead of staying with the dying Empire. Give them the Worf treatment and actually expand the race beyond just ‘secretive cold war enemies’. The Romulan general (ambassador?) in late-DS9 and the defector from TNG were great characters that actually gave us small glimpses at what Romulans were like beyond the subterfuge. Give me more of that. The Klingons, Vulcans, Cardassians, and Ferengi all got their due in the 90s. Even the Andorians were explored on Enterprise. The Romulans and Tellarites are like the last two big Trek races that haven’t been completely mined for stories. It's so weird to me that Romulans never got to be a movie villain, outside of JJTrek. I know they were planned for Generations. You'd have to fix their stupid universal uniforms and hairstyles, but they got so much play in TNG.
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Berman era romulans are loving stupid in almost every way and they should just roll their characterization as a species right back to the 60s
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Yeah, that made a lot of sense. What do you do with all these super soldiers running around who are hard-wired to believe in gods? Give them better gods. The Bajoran church is changing, turning more moderate and what not. There's a small group of hardliners who still want things to go back to the old days; caste system, the whole nine yards. They get the bright idea you mentioned, go off on a conversion trip, come back with said converts in tow, and kick off a holy war. Bajor is a member of the Federation at this point, so the duly elected and legitimate government calls for help. The Federation, and Star Fleet, now find themselves in a real bad spot.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:ALRIGHT, YA FOOKIN' GEEKS. It's the 29th century. Open on Utopia Planitia as Starfleet's first temporal vessel is christened as the flagship for its new Department of Temporal Investigations, captained by... gently caress it, Captain Odo. Its inaugural mission: go back to the 24th century and stop Romulus from blowing up. It succeeds. Warping back to the 29th centry, the effects of Odo's incursion are made known: Q has enforced a strict galaxy-wide ban on time travel. Every sentient individual hears a booming voice in their head: "Stop loving around, idiots." Time travel is never used as a plot device in Star Trek ever again, and Captain Odo lived happily ever after.
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My plan for a new Star Trek is not to have any new Star Trek. Star Trek has been remarkably successful. You've had seven different TV shows, thirteen films, and fans all over the place. You've got novels, video games, card games, and no end to the amount of toys and merchandise. You've got books and comic books. You've got an entire written language people write books it. It's been a success beyond measure. The problem that comes with that is that the show has so much baggage...so much studio expectation, so much fan expectation, and so much canonical history that its impossible to be original anymore. That's why so much of the reason stuff is based on fan nostalgia....Discovery takes place before TOS and throws in Spock and Section 31, the new Picard show is, well, about Picard. Its gotten to the point where you cant have any sort of original ideas with the franchise...you're just cashing in on Boomer and Gen-X nostalgia, at this point.
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The setting is great and has tons of room for great storytelling! just dont gently caress it up.
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What's this about Romulus blowing up? The extent of my knowledge of Trek canon is confined to TNG/DS9/Voyager. I thought all the other series were set before or during those three and the jjabrams movies were some alt universe?
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Oxyclean posted:What's this about Romulus blowing up? JJTrek is an alternate universe because Romulus blew up after Voyager and one Romulan guy got really butt hurt so he hijacked a ship and flew it back to the past to kill Kirk’s dad to get revenge on Spock for letting Romulus blow up. This is all quite as dumb as it sounds.
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skasion posted:JJTrek is an alternate universe because Romulus blew up after Voyager and one Romulan guy got really butt hurt so he hijacked a ship and flew it back to the past to kill Kirk’s dad to get revenge on Spock for letting Romulus blow up. This is all quite as dumb as it sounds. He also blew up Vulcan
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A lot of people are reading very heavily into a pitch that a few writers threw together on a lark and didn't refine at all! Anyway, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn2tZMk62sY
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CPColin posted:A lot of people are reading very heavily into a pitch that a few writers threw together on a lark and didn't refine at all! yeah, because it is impressively bad. If it were just "uh Sisko comes back but he's actually the evil one now because the wormhole aliens got confused and put him and dukat in the wrong bodies when they spit them out, so they all hop on board the Defiant go to the Great Link for advice, many amusing hijinks are had, and it's ultimately solved using some sort of vulcan technique" then that would be silly or doopy but be in keeping with how star trek is and has always been a weird soap opera
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The preview for the S8 episode makes it look like they're absolutely just winging it. "the Defiant is running away!" *awkward pause* "uhhh, to the wormhole! Yeah why not?"
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lol but seriously posted:DS9 "season 8" "spoilers" i do not hate the idea of the alpha quadrant jem'hadar finding a new religion yo what about this poo poo? Tighclops posted:The Klingons learning some chill but the jem'hadar adopt the old ways and see the OG klingons as a fallen people. some meat on those bones, right?
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