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As Nero Danced posted:I just had a thought. At the end of season 7, Jon and Dany's initial request was that Cersei withdraw her armies and not attack them. She didn't actually move against the North or Dany's conquered territories while they were preoccupied with the army of the dead. Even though she lied when she pledged her forces to fight the zombies, she didn't actually do any more than they wanted her to in the first place. There's a gently caress tonne of plausible deniability for Cersei to be honest. 1. All the white walkers and wights are now dead. The North will destroy the bodies and all evidence. Any of the southern Lannister lands have no evidence the battle actually happened other than the North saying it did. Why is the wall broken? "It's old". Why does Daenerys only have two dragons? "It's winter up north, there's not much food anymore" 2. Cersei doesn't need to admit anything to the small folk and to the north, she can say that she did send her armies to fight the dead, but that she fortified her own lands so that they could be defended if the north fell. She couldn't afford to leave her lands and people undefended entirely. They won't believe it but there also all in Winterfell defending from the NK and don't have the men to spare to especially check on what Cersei is doing. Azhais posted:Bran's story pretty much ends with the NK, he should pretty much just be all A lot of characters with no more story are hanging around and having plot points. See: Arya.
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Alhazred posted:This was a show where they killed an unarmed pregnant lady and it became one of the most popular and talked about episode ever. The writers would probably do everything to get that amount of buzz again. Yeah realistically the majority of people wont turn it off, though i do think there would be massive backlash if something like the Red Wedding happened now, i do feel like the show runners have taken a diversion from the original tone of the show, likely to appeal to a certain set of fans. When we start GOT, the first episode has Jaime's attempted murder of a child. This sets the stage for what we can expect out of Game of Thrones: it's a brutal world where no one is safe, characters can die at any moment, if you gently caress up you're likely dead, and that's further established by Ned losing his head, the Red Wedding etc etc. Where the show is now feels like they wouldnt dare do something of that nature. It's very much gone from bad things can happen to these characters potentially out of nowhere because that's the nature of the world, to these characters are invincible until the plot calls for it even if they're shown in situations that in earlier seasons would mean that they couldnt possibly survive. I do think that it's for two reasons it's gone in this direction. That the writers have their view of the final shot of Game of Thrones, and certain characters are in certain places and they will do anything to keep them alive even if it means we get these super human versions of them where they can survive practically any danger until the show calls for it, because the writers have put themselves in a corner where they need to keep the tension going and keep us guessing these character's fates but due to them being bad at their jobs the only way they could think to do this was show character X being mauled by 5+ zombies then cut away and repeat over and over. The other reason is that i do genuinely think that the brutality of the earlier seasons of GOT just wouldnt fly now, that executives or the show runners are too scared of killing off major characters out of the blue because well the internet would melt down if say Arya died for example (not in a Red Wedding reaction way where it's seen as brutal but a great moment, but a how could you treat my beloved Arya like this way), Game of Thrones has become for many fans a show about the bad guys vs the good guys and they want to cheer when Arya kills the Night King and boo when Cersei is on the screen, and hey that's fine but it isnt really what the show set out to do in the beginning, the show felt interesting because there were many shades of grey to characters and it was fantasy mixed with a gritty realistic world of political intrigue and drama. Plus the cynical part of me says hey these characters might show up in a prequel, sequel movie or spin off and you gotta keep the cash cow going. Also i'd love to be totally wrong about all this and in the next episode or two major character just get ended and it's a bloodbath, just please no sweet happy ending.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:A lot of characters with no more story are hanging around and having plot points. Eh, Arya is a Stark looking for revenge, and Cersei is on her list. She makes perfect sense to be going. Bran has made it pretty clear he isn't actually Bran anymore any time anyone brings it up.
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I hope Cersei gives everyone the death smooch, and then tells Dany "Eat my poo poo, mate"
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Cersei isn't part of Arya's story though, she's got a list but so what, it's not been relevant for years. Cersei is part of Jaime, Tyrion and, by circumstance more than actual plot, Dany's story. Arya should have nothing at all to do with that. Jon's got no reason to actually want the Throne either. I know that's not stopping D&D, but still. Sure, she should go to support the Starks in the battle for King's Landing, but her even getting close to assassinating Cersei is crap.
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Its Coke posted:Actual spoiler involving recent discussion Dany does in fact go too far and get killed by Jon Those ones are under a diff account than the most recent correct spoilers iirc, but yah I hope they're true. It would prob make the Tyrion spoiler true too.
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Also the headphone jack on my phone just died and I think that's a more tragic death than the show could pull off at this point
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May 3, 2019 20:01
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Just Chamber posted:Also the headphone jack on my phone just died and I think that's a more tragic death than the show could pull off at this point Idk people are taking the Night Kings death pretty hard.
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I wouldn't doubt The Hound and then Arya dying to The Mountain. There's no getting to Cersei for Arya in that scenario.
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If Arya didn't die in her ancestral home, after finally coming back to being Arya with what's left of her family, instead of being "no one", she's not dying at all. The real point of "not today" is that it's going to be "today" eventually, and the last ep was the best time to pull that trigger on Arya if they were to. (They won't, the show has kid gloves on) Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 20:07 on May 3, 2019 |
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May 3, 2019 20:05
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Arya dies next episode of something mundane like fantasy tuberculosis
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Guze posted:Idk people are taking the Night Kings death pretty hard. Tragic though? Nah. It definitely wins most anticlimactic death though
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bobjr posted:Arya dies next episode of something mundane like fantasy tuberculosis It'd make her just ganking him better if him grabbing her by the throat gave her some irreparable damage that's actually going to have a permanent effect on her, or like if the explosion destroyed her stabbing arm.
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Arya won't die b/c GRRM's wife said she'll leave if he kills her. Arya surviving was 100% one of the notes D&D got.
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Speaking of baiting the audience to believe characters might die, I actually thought it was a pretty cool moment when Melisandre walks up to Greyworm and says "Valar Morghulis" and you get the distinct impression that he knows he's about to die and go out fighting but he's accepted his fate (also that she can maybe see he's about to die). Then he just backs away from his fellow Unsullied and closes the bridge behind them leaving them to die... what a leader 
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May 3, 2019 20:11
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Bear suit made of dragon glass = one man army
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An Ounce of Gold posted:Bear suit made of dragon glass = one man army Put it on Sam and bowl him into the undead
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Best thing that happened in season 4 was Oberyn getting his skull crushed, because Oberyn was pretty cool, his motivation seemed right, and the life lesson about getting cocky when you’re winning was extremely succinct Edit: poo poo, several pages behind the conversation
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Steve Yun posted:Best thing that happened in season 4 was Oberyn getting his skull crushed, because Oberyn was pretty cool, his motivation seemed right, and the life lesson about getting cocky when you’re winning was extremely succinct Also it freed him to be in better movies
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Steve Yun posted:Best thing that happened in season 4 was Oberyn getting his skull crushed, because Oberyn was pretty cool, his motivation seemed right, and the life lesson about getting cocky when you’re winning was extremely succinct Yea Oberyn's death was like the show distilled perfectly into one moment, probably that and Ned's fate. Doesn't matter if you're just or if you're the most skilled, you make a mistake or you underestimate those around you and you'll lose.
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also great seahawks/patriots super bowl memes. the problem with the deaths in the show now is they're either minor characters that they kill off to just have a death (thoros, who i was sad was gone but extra sad he died via such a stupid plotline) or is incredibly anticlimactic because they seem to want to get it out of the way (walder frey and his brood). even jorah's death seemed kinda "so what?" because the situation was so silly.
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Azhais posted:Also it freed him to be in better movies Yeah like... Kingsman 2?
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Oberyn's plot was good because it was the sort of thing that rightfully should happen to Arya but doesnt. Someone tries to break all the rules of Westeros and gets obliterated for it. The best part wasn't just his face getting crushed by the mountain, it's that the mountain proudly takes credit for exactly what Oberyn accused him of.
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No Wave posted:Oberyn's plot was good because it was the sort of thing that rightfully should happen to Arya but doesnt. Someone tries to break all the rules of Westeros and gets obliterated for it. Dany's going to break the wheel!
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Just Chamber posted:Doesn't matter if you're just or if you're the most skilled, you make a mistake or you underestimate those around you and you'll lose. Just like the Night King! 
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Oberyn Martell confirmed Night King SEND TWEET.
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No Wave posted:Oberyn's plot was good because it was the sort of thing that rightfully should happen to Arya but doesnt. Someone tries to break all the rules of Westeros and gets obliterated for it. The best part wasn't just his face getting crushed by the mountain, it's that the mountain proudly takes credit for exactly what Oberyn accused him of. Well, some people in real life do break the rules a culture has set up and get away with it, so it's not unrealistic. Not to mention Arya is a magic assassin and Oberyn's only power was being incredibly Latin.
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The only minor issue I have with that scene is the new Mountain wasn’t the best at looking like he was a good sword fighter, but it still sells that Oberyn got too cocky and confident about things
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WHY BONER NOW posted:Dany's going to break the wheel! She’s kind of breaking my will to keep watching (not really).
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bobjr posted:The only minor issue I have with that scene is the new Mountain wasn’t the best at looking like he was a good sword fighter, but it still sells that Oberyn got too cocky and confident about things the first mountain was the only one that looked scary (he's also the tallest one).
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But mainly that scowl. Especially in the s1 episode when he decapitated his horse
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esperterra posted:The reason obsidian and valyrian steel is special is because of dragonflame. Normal fire not hurting him is fine but him being immune to the thing that created his weaknesses is lame. Not sure if it is said in the show, but blood magic is very much part of the secrets of Valyrian steel.
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Xanderkish posted:This was also the show whose first episode concluded with a man pushing a child out a window and paralyzing him for life, and then the man getting a whole redemption arc until he became one of the show favorites. Theon burned two children and got a super duper heoric "you're a good man" moment too
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All the evil in him was in his dick.
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WHY BONER NOW posted:Dany's going to break the wheel! Now that I am the Queen on the Iron Throne I see that the wheel is actually good. If anyone disagrees my 2 dragons will burn you alive.
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Look when I said "break the wheel" I meant your feudal lord can't break  when he murders your family for not paying taxes. If he does, or if you complain about your family being murdered, my fire breathing monsters will eat you all.It just won't do to be impolite about these things.
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It sure was admirable that the great woke liberator's latest act of compassion was sending an entire immigrant population to die as cannon fodder.
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esperterra posted:Those ones are under a diff account than the most recent correct spoilers iirc, but yah I hope they're true. It would prob make the Tyrion spoiler true too. The correct account also had a small number of spoilers (nothing about Tyrion) and Jon killing Dany was one of them
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Bottom Liner posted:Theon burned two children and got a super duper heoric "you're a good man" moment too Yeah well how much suffering does a man have to suffer after murdering two children in cold blood and burning their corpses before he can be forgiven?? Also I hated Stannis. He sucked poo poo and it never surprised me that the internet's most vocal nerds supported his campaign of weaponized autism.
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