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Maelstache posted:I guess the question is did JMS write Lennier like that intentionally or did those characteristics come about about as a consequence of his own goonish tendencies (thinking of that time he tried to hit on Claudia Christian and got firmly shut down)? 
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:I think it's a little bit of both. I admit this is pure supposition but I feel like he started writing Lennier this particular way unconsciously, and somewhere along the line he realized what he was doing. I feel like his whole conversation with Dead Morden doesn't work otherwise. Mumy came to JMS at some point (I think in S2) and said "I think Lennier is in love with Delenn" and JMS said "you really want the character to go that way? OK." Mumy was not happy about where that story took him in S5 and my impression is that he's still peeved with JMS; JMS in turn still seems annoyed that Mumy slipped a few easter-eggy references to his band into the show.
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May 2, 2019 04:37
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Narsham posted:Mumy came to JMS at some point (I think in S2) and said "I think Lennier is in love with Delenn" and JMS said "you really want the character to go that way? OK." Mumy was not happy about where that story took him in S5 and my impression is that he's still peeved with JMS; JMS in turn still seems annoyed that Mumy slipped a few easter-eggy references to his band into the show. That makes me wonder if Jason Carter (Marcus) has any similar stories.
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lol but posted:i have also been bummed about this but there is a whole half-season of spin off show nobody seems to mention so that has gotta be good right? right?! As I recall, Crusade was pretty good (last (only?) time I watched it), but the episode order is messed up. Look up some guide online, follow that, ignore how character's costumes keep changing, and think about what could have been. It has my favorite Lochley scenes. Gary Cole's good.
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Airspace posted:That makes me wonder if Jason Carter (Marcus) has any similar stories. No idea, but you should watch Demon Under Glass.
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May 2, 2019 08:01
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Rappaport posted:This conversation seems to warrant this image being reposted they are so, so high
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Vavrek posted:As I recall, Crusade was pretty good (last (only?) time I watched it), but the episode order is messed up. Look up some guide online, follow that, ignore how character's costumes keep changing, and think about what could have been. It has my favorite Lochley scenes. Gary Cole's good. It's (half of) season 1 of what was supposed to be another planned-out show. I think it's at least as good as the equivalent portion of B5 - that is, it'd likely improve on a rewatch with the hypothetical full series. It has a lot of promise, and besides Gary Cole I also liked Galen, even though I can't remember any other characters. The one thing dragging it down for me is they went with someone other than Chris Franke for the music and it was more experimental and kind of sucked.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:It's (half of) season 1 of what was supposed to be another planned-out show. I think it's at least as good as the equivalent portion of B5 - that is, it'd likely improve on a rewatch with the hypothetical full series. It has a lot of promise, and besides Gary Cole I also liked Galen, even though I can't remember any other characters. One of the things brought up with the post-mortem is that the Drakh Plague on Earth premise was only supposed to last about a season or two before getting to the real plot; Conspiracy within the EarthDome government.
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May 2, 2019 13:03
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Neddy Seagoon posted:One of the things brought up with the post-mortem is that the Drakh Plague on Earth premise was only supposed to last about a season or two before getting to the real plot; Conspiracy within the EarthDome government. Can't say I'm terribly excited about that hypothetical full series if they were just going to retread old ground.
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of all the ways their post-Great War lives could've panned out, I've always found it pretty satisfying that Garibaldi, the gently caress-up paranoid alcoholic, ends up rich beyond the dreams of men at the center of a loving family, while Lennier the karmic goody-goody probably died in a bar fight somewhere near the outer rim
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:of all the ways their post-Great War lives could've panned out, I've always found it pretty satisfying that Garibaldi, the gently caress-up paranoid alcoholic, ends up rich beyond the dreams of men at the center of a loving family, while Lennier the karmic goody-goody probably died in a bar fight somewhere near the outer rim I thought he ended up as a paranoid right-wing talk radio host
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May 2, 2019 13:21
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I mean, it's a pretty lucrative gig
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I thought he ended up as a paranoid right-wing talk radio host the less said of Jerry Doyle's post-Great War life, the better
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I thought he ended up as a paranoid right-wing talk radio host He and Molari found an interdimensional portal, and ended up in Sliders
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:of all the ways their post-Great War lives could've panned out, I've always found it pretty satisfying that Garibaldi, the gently caress-up paranoid alcoholic, ends up rich beyond the dreams of men at the center of a loving family, while Lennier the karmic goody-goody probably died in a bar fight somewhere near the outer rim Lennier dies fighting alongside Lyta during the telepath war.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:It's (half of) season 1 of what was supposed to be another planned-out show. I think it's at least as good as the equivalent portion of B5 - that is, it'd likely improve on a rewatch with the hypothetical full series. It has a lot of promise, and besides Gary Cole I also liked Galen, even though I can't remember any other characters. If you start with what were supposed to be the first episodes, it's immensely better out of the gate than B5 S1. Then the network trolling starts up and it gets worse over time. Those episodes are more fun if you look up details on the notes they were getting because JMS basically takes those notes and executes some of them ironically. His response to the "add more alien sex" note is unforgettable.
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Flatscan posted:Lennier dies fighting alongside Lyta during the telepath war. Huh, good for him
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Rappaport posted:This conversation seems to warrant this image being reposted The Galactic Virgin Squad has arrived. We live for the oneitis, we die for the oneitis!
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Zartosht posted:The Galactic Virgin Squad has arrived. We live for the oneitis, we die for the oneitis! The In'cel'Shok.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The In'cel'Shok. Led by Incel'Zha.
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Narsham posted:If you start with what were supposed to be the first episodes, it's immensely better out of the gate than B5 S1. Then the network trolling starts up and it gets worse over time. Those episodes are more fun if you look up details on the notes they were getting because JMS basically takes those notes and executes some of them ironically. His response to the "add more alien sex" note is unforgettable.  I forget if it was the commentary or somewhere else I heard a description of what shooting that scene was like. All the characters are quiet, but they need to be coordinated, so a person offstage is calling out "And hump. ... And hump. ... And" as it proceeds.
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Zartosht posted:The Galactic Virgin Squad has arrived. We live for the oneitis, we die for the oneitis! Is Zack Allen lying down in the backseat?
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Watched The Gathering for the first time in decades and noticed something funny -- the actor that played Morden was a no-name on the Command Deck. 
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Watched S4E14, Moments of Transition, where Scott Adams makes a cameo appearance. Little did we know then how much the two of them would have in common, years later.
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Narsham posted:His response to the "add more alien sex" note is unforgettable. The jellyfish?
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Narsham posted:If you start with what were supposed to be the first episodes, it's immensely better out of the gate than B5 S1. Then the network trolling starts up and it gets worse over time. Those episodes are more fun if you look up details on the notes they were getting because JMS basically takes those notes and executes some of them ironically. His response to the "add more alien sex" note is unforgettable. Is that response the Alien Porn data crystal in Crusade?
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Parts Kit posted:Watched The Gathering for the first time in decades and noticed something funny -- the actor that played Morden was a no-name on the Command Deck. Ed Wasser, yeah, that caused considerable confusion at the time until JMS clarified on Usenet they were just reusing an actor they liked. I sorta miss the pre-Twitter era, when we had to shout into the void of text-only communications and hope the Great Maker would deign to comment on our yawping.
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Just finished The Coming of Shadows. WELP. "Our last best hope for peace" and still failed. I can't imagine how the reaction of this episode was when it first aired.
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May 4, 2019 07:27
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Adnor posted:Just finished The Coming of Shadows. WELP. That was the second most common response, after "What's white and sticky and causes chaos?"
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Jedit posted:That was the second most common response, after "What's white and sticky and causes chaos?" Spoo?
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Doctor Zero posted:Spoo? I got the most amazingly intoned 'What?!' when I mentioned that stuff came from She-Ra.
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Polaron posted:The jellyfish? Yes. (Spoilers!) It could at least have bought them a drink, first. Bonus points for the scene subtly mocking Star Trek TNG.
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Bieeanshee posted:I got the most amazingly intoned 'What?!' when I mentioned that stuff came from She-Ra. Which was also written by JMS. The show almanac article on spoo is a thing of great beauty, by the way.
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Adnor posted:Just finished The Coming of Shadows. WELP. I watched it live and it was one of the only occasions I actually had a jaw drop happen. My mom was flipping out on the couch behind me.
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CainFortea posted:I watched it live and it was one of the only occasions I actually had a jaw drop happen. My mom was flipping out on the couch behind me. Even years later it's a difficult episode to watch.
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Oh hi there again Intersections In Real Time, you sure are a thing.
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It's no Chain of Command, Part II.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:It's no Chain of Command, Part II. Agreed, it's better
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