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Bigsteve posted:I had similar feelings but would Fury take him at his word without proof? Nick Fury is extremely bad at sussing out deception, if the past 22 movies are any indication.
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I bet Fury sees through the lie/deceit but is playing along with it in order to secure what new magic/tech device Mysterio is using to cause havoc. (And that’s the real reason he doesn’t want to bother Marvel or Thor).
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May 6, 2019 19:54
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If there's not a twist the entire plot seems to be "there's some monsters and a guy comes to help Spider-Man". The fact that Mysterio is usually a trickster who fakes things with sfx makes it kind of an obvious twist, but I feel like in order to play with the audience's expectations you need to actually do something aside from just blatantly saying "this guy is good now" up front in the second trailer.
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May 6, 2019 20:00
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Nick Fury is extremely bad at sussing out deception, if the past 22 movies are any indication. Who? The guy who worked for a place chock full of secret Nazis? Naaaawwww.
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May 6, 2019 20:00
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Was Hydra a white supremacist organization too? I can't remember I thought they had an indian and black dude.
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May 6, 2019 20:06
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Shaocaholica posted:Was Hydra a white supremacist organization too? I can't remember I thought they had an indian and black dude. I guess maybe not, if you want to get technical about it. Red Skull explains in First Avenger that Hydra is much older than the Nazis and that he was just kinda using them and their resources to find the Tesseract.
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May 6, 2019 20:08
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So its ok to cosplay as Hydra and not get called a racist asking for a white friend.
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May 6, 2019 20:09
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Shaocaholica posted:Was Hydra a white supremacist organization too? I can't remember I thought they had an indian and black dude. Not explicitly. A black dude definitely was Hydra in Winter Soldier. Sitwell seemed like a mutt too.To be honest, most of Shield was pretty white as well though. Can't wait for SMG to come after this angle.
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May 6, 2019 20:11
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Basebf555 posted:I guess maybe not, if you want to get technical about it. Red Skull explains in First Avenger that Hydra is much older than the Nazis and that he was just kinda using them and their resources to find the Tesseract. Red Skull shows up on Ultima Thule later, clearly indicating that Hydra inspired the Nazis.
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May 6, 2019 20:13
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Shaocaholica posted:So its ok to cosplay as Hydra and not get called a racist asking for a white friend. Only if you cosplay as Bob, Agent of Hydra. He only signed up for the dental plan.
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May 6, 2019 20:22
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I know alot of people got onto Marvel through these movies but seriously the X-Men, FF, and Spider Man have always been the faces of Marvel. The Avengers were second tier until the movies took off. I still don't care about any of them really, the others are so much more interesting. They don't have to do anything extra to introduce them. They're both big enough and have enough mind share with people that we'll accept them having just always been in the background.
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May 6, 2019 20:23
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Maybe there's an alternate timeline where Hydra and Ultron team up to defend earth from Thanos and prevents him from getting all the stones.
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May 6, 2019 20:28
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MikeC posted:Not explicitly. A black dude definitely was Hydra in Winter Soldier. Sitwell seemed like a mutt too.To be honest, most of Shield was pretty white as well though. ...wait, what? Is that an acceptable phrase where you're from?
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May 6, 2019 20:29
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RBX posted:I know alot of people got onto Marvel through these movies but seriously the X-Men, FF, and Spider Man have always been the faces of Marvel. The Avengers were second tier until the movies took off. I still don't care about any of them really, the others are so much more interesting. They don't have to do anything extra to introduce them. They're both big enough and have enough mind share with people that we'll accept them having just always been in the background. I get what you're saying, but how will Disney make money if they don't make new movies to sell toys, Funko Pops, and other merchandise?
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May 6, 2019 20:29
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RBX posted:I know alot of people got onto Marvel through these movies but seriously the X-Men, FF, and Spider Man have always been the faces of Marvel. The Avengers were second tier until the movies took off. I still don't care about any of them really, the others are so much more interesting. They don't have to do anything extra to introduce them. They're both big enough and have enough mind share with people that we'll accept them having just always been in the background. This is the exactly the kind of attitude that caused DCEU to crash and burn. The exact type of hubris that brought about the disaster that was Star Wars TLJ and Solo. If the MCU has proven anything at all is that you need good scripts and a good plan. You can't just wing it and hope for the best.
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May 6, 2019 20:31
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As I said you really need good actors that people like.
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May 6, 2019 20:31
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I liked Batfleck...
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RBX posted:I know alot of people got onto Marvel through these movies but seriously the X-Men, FF, and Spider Man have always been the faces of Marvel. Spider-Man also had Venom being a big anti-hero, Macfarlane arting it up, the cartoon, and Bagley's Ultimate Spider-Man around the time the first film came out. Anyway, that's all to say that what the public consider to be the Big Important characters/groups can be malleable. Iron Man didn't have much going into the movie, to the point where a few people were like "they're starting with HIM and not, like, Cap?". Assuming that a new introduction will get massive play just because of name brand recognition is not a good move.
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May 6, 2019 20:40
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MikeC posted:This is the exactly the kind of attitude that caused DCEU to crash and burn. The exact type of hubris that brought about the disaster that was Star Wars TLJ and Solo. I didn't say anything about winging it, I meant that they don't need alternate dimensions or complicated poo poo to introduce them. FilthyImp posted:There's a little bit of distortion thanks to the wave of popularity surrounding the 90s. Like X-Men had 80s Clairemont to thank for keeping it going, then 90s Lee to catapult it. Combine that with the animated series and you just had a juggernaut of pop culture going straight through to the first film. Uh X-Men and FF have had movies too, no matter how bad they were people went to see them. Countless games , shows, and other stuff. The movies aren't all there is. I don't know what the first part is supposed to mean. They had to force feed the avengers for years before it stuck, with Spidey and X-Men, that would never be needed.
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May 6, 2019 20:49
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Snazzy Frocks posted:dr strange's role was pretty much largely defined by his time stone powers so hes just a portal dude with a bunch of old relics now i guess Any time Strange needs the Time Stone in the future, he can just use the quantum realm to go back to a point where he had the time stone, say to himself "hey, I need this for about 5 seconds", leave and come back and return it to that exact point in time.
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May 6, 2019 20:55
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I just re-watched Tag over the weekend and now I can't see it as anything but a retired Hawkeye using his superhero acrobatics to evade his buddies. I would have realized it earlier if I wasn't so bad at recognizing actors and faces.
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Based on the new Far From Home trailer, I'm kinda annoyed. Simply put, I usually don't like stories involving time travel, clones or alternate realities. Mostly because it allows authors to make a canonical "what if" story that ultimately has no consequences. Fringe does this but takes the time to show the world-shattering impact an alternate world would have. Having a multiverse that is easily accessible means the author always has a pool of characters to pull from, including "resurrecting" people. The MCU has done a good job so far and I don't think they're going this route; I'm just a little cynnical.
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May 6, 2019 21:09
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euphronius posted:As I said you really need good actors that people like. It's really too bad the MCU didn't start off with Brie Larson.
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May 6, 2019 21:19
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Inzombiac posted:Based on the new Far From Home trailer, I'm kinda annoyed. They straight up resurrected someone in this film. It's fine. If Thanos is the greatest threat to the Universe then it makes sense that the next Phase becomes about the Greatest Threat to the Multiverse. You get to have your cake and eat it with rebooting F4 and X-MEN and choosing whether to keep them as separate stories or part of the MCU ensemble. All they have to do is gradually ramp up a Multiverse Crisis in the background of the next phase of films and not crowbar it into every single one.
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May 6, 2019 21:28
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How many xmens can be recast without breaking peoples brains? Technically none of the main characters have ever been recast if you count the future and past characters as looking different.
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MikeC posted:If the MCU has proven anything at all is that you need good scripts and a good plan. You can't just wing it and hope for the best. a good plan wouldn't have ragnarok or iron man 3 immediately invalidated by the movie after it outside of setting up thanos and the stones 18 movies ago the MCU has been absolutely winging it
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May 6, 2019 21:54
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i DID NOT LIKE that tony stark was able to create a suitable infinity gauntlet that didn't require a planet sized forge and giant tirion lannester to make
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Shaocaholica posted:How many xmens can be recast without breaking peoples brains? Technically none of the main characters have ever been recast if you count the future and past characters as looking different. To be honest you can probably recast any of them at this point except Wolverine and very few people will even notice. And you could recast Wolverine if you made Patrick Stewart Xavier again.
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Snazzy Frocks posted:i DID NOT LIKE that tony stark was able to create a suitable infinity gauntlet that didn't require a planet sized forge and giant tirion lannester to make Tired: The gauntlet was designed to channel the distinct energies of the stones, linking them to the will of the user by way of dwarven magicks developed through aeons of research. Wired: The stones work specifically through the motion of finger-snapping, and the gauntlet just attaches them to your hand for snapping purposes.
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Brother Entropy posted:a good plan wouldn't have ragnarok or iron man 3 immediately invalidated by the movie after it I guess things are invalidated just because you said so. CityMidnightJunky posted:...wait, what? Is that an acceptable phrase where you're from? Yea. If it is not kosher in CineD I'll refer to them as mixed from now on?
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May 6, 2019 22:17
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MikeC posted:I guess things are invalidated just because you said so. if you disagree with me maybe you should present a better argument than 'nuh uh'
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MikeC posted:I guess things are invalidated just because you said so. Iron Man 3: Tony relinquishes his obsession with defensive technology, represented by the destruction of his suits and the removal of his chest-reactor. Age of Ultron: Tony has relapsed offscreen, and driven by his renewed obsession, he has built a new legion of automated suits and uses an infinity stone to build a technological supervillain Thor Ragnarok: Thor is reminded that his power is innate, he casts off his need for weapons, he loses an eye, and the Asgardians are saved even as their city burns, humbled as refugees but nevertheless hopeful. Infinity War: Half those refugees die like five minutes after escaping Asgard, Thor gets a new eye like nothing ever happened, and he spends the entire movie trying to acquire a powerful new weapon.
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Supercar Gautier posted:
This fit really well because Odin sacrificed his eye to gain wisdom like Thor did in a way, then Thor regains an eye and regresses. I think it's cool that it was given to him by Rocket/etc. though given how his character plays out in Endgame.
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Snazzy Frocks posted:i DID NOT LIKE that tony stark was able to create a suitable infinity gauntlet that didn't require a planet sized forge and giant tirion lannester to make If "suitable" means killing you if you use it, sure...
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Astro7x posted:If "suitable" means killing you if you use it, sure... Wasn't using the original gauntlet harmless (to Thanos, anyway) unless you did something wacky like "snap away the stones themselves" like Thanos did later? Just "regular" using the Stark gauntlet totally hosed up the Hulk and killed Stark. e: I didn't get why some people were able to just handle some stones though. But I might have just missed something. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 22:45 on May 6, 2019 |
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It answers the question if the gauntlet can make a burrito so hot that even the stones would be destroyed by it.
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sean10mm posted:Wasn't using the original gauntlet harmless (to Thanos, anyway) unless you did something wacky like "snap away the stones themselves" like Thanos did later? The first snap visibly damages the gauntlet and his arm is a bit hosed up too iirc
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sean10mm posted:Wasn't using the original gauntlet harmless (to Thanos, anyway) unless you did something wacky like "snap away the stones themselves" like Thanos did later? It is definitely inconsistent the way the stones/gauntlets are handled. IW has Thanos visibly struggle every time a stone is added on screen as if he is about to overload or something. The Guantlet is literally a smoldering hulk after he snaps it. Smart Hulk also visibly is strained as he puts the new Gauntlet on before he snaps. I forget how damaged it is afterwards. But it feels very damaged. Tony Stark is just like, whatever bro , though his suit is trashed after he snaps
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The dumbest scene in the movie is when they talk about how dangerous it is to snap the gauntlet so hulk volunteers to do it but none of them leave the room and just put on their safety squints.
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1stGear posted:Extremely hosed up that we don't get a single scene, shot or line of dialogue anywhere in about 5 movies of Tony giving some idea of why he's still a gajillionaire after stopping doing the thing that makes him a gajillionaire. HTH.
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