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Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

I'm just a total piece of shit and I'm not sure why I keep posting on this site. Christ, I have spent years with idiots giving me bad advice about online dating and haven't noticed that the thread I'm in selects for people that can't talk to people worth a damn.

spwrozek posted:

I think my buddy with huge feet is in some sort of scarpa. Asking him, let you know.

Yeah he climbs on the force x. 46. They are not very aggressive though. He had a 16 Street shoe for comparison. If you are in Denver he says rock and resole carries lots of big shoes.

my feet arent quite that big but i literally could not stretch a 45 force V on my feet if my life depended on it. i know at some point im gonna have to toughen up and probably just wear something small, but the majority of 45s i tried on were the same story

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spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

I hear you there. Fairly positive he just deals with it best he can.

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF
Getting to the last move over and over and not being able to figure it out sucks rear end!!!

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

Hot Diggity! posted:

Getting to the last move over and over and not being able to figure it out sucks rear end!!!

I can do all of the V2's in my gym except for one. It's just got a massive over hang and I have to really pull myself up with my right (non-dominant arm). I've been stuck on it for like 3 weeks and it's driving me nuts. I know I can do it, I just need to be a little stronger. It's a very easy problem to figure out... I just can't reach it. They're all big jug holds, but yea.

Made a little progress on a V3 that I've been stuck on for equally as long yesterday though, so that felt really good. The holds are much harder and there's a lot of foot work to this one, it's a good challenge and I was really psyched to get a hold or two higher than before.


Are there are any goons central Massachusetts? I'll be out that way from Thu - Mon this week, was thinking of going to Central Rock in Worcester on Friday maybe.

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

Sab669 posted:

I can do all of the V2's in my gym except for one. It's just got a massive over hang and I have to really pull myself up with my right (non-dominant arm). I've been stuck on it for like 3 weeks and it's driving me nuts. I know I can do it, I just need to be a little stronger. It's a very easy problem to figure out... I just can't reach it. They're all big jug holds, but yea.

Is there any chance the setter is trying to force a figure 4?

Baronash fucked around with this message at 14:38 on May 6, 2019

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

I don't know what that means

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

Sab669 posted:

I don't know what that means


Basically this, you wrap your leg over one arm and use that positioning to reach higher while staying static. It's mostly an ice climbing technique, but it can occasionally be useful on overhung routes where you're moving off of a bomber hold.

Partial Octopus
Feb 4, 2006



Baronash posted:

Is there any chance the setter is trying to force a figure 4?

e:
Basically this, you wrap your leg over one arm and use that positioning to reach higher while staying static. It's mostly an ice climbing move, but it can occasionally be useful on overhung routes where you're moving off of a bomber hold.

Seems extremely unlikely if it is a v2.

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009


:psyduck: this hurts my head just looking at it.

But no, I've watched a few people do this wall and it is extremely straight forward. I'm just a sedentary baby who has only casually done yoga and walk my dog prior to the gym opening last month. ~25% BMI so while I'm not huge I'm definitely carrying a little extra weight, that's all it is.

I'll try and take a picture of it this week if I can find the time to go again.

KingColliwog
May 15, 2003

Let's go droogs

Sab669 posted:

I can do all of the V2's in my gym except for one. It's just got a massive over hang and I have to really pull myself up with my right (non-dominant arm). I've been stuck on it for like 3 weeks and it's driving me nuts. I know I can do it, I just need to be a little stronger. It's a very easy problem to figure out... I just can't reach it. They're all big jug holds, but yea.

Made a little progress on a V3 that I've been stuck on for equally as long yesterday though, so that felt really good. The holds are much harder and there's a lot of foot work to this one, it's a good challenge and I was really psyched to get a hold or two higher than before.


Are there are any goons central Massachusetts? I'll be out that way from Thu - Mon this week, was thinking of going to Central Rock in Worcester on Friday maybe.

May be you need to work on your technique or figure out a different foot/angle to reach it. Outside edge with a foot smear and a body twist that forces your hip to the wall will give you a lot of reach and probably doesn’t require that much more power. Did you watch the climbing masterclass series on YouTube? It helped me tremendously

Kasumeat
Nov 18, 2004

I SHOULD GO AND GET FUCKED
Colliwog is right, probably 90%+ of problems that on the surface may seem to be just about an explosive reach can be done statically with proper body positioning and moderate-to-low use of strength. If you're a guy, hip flexibility is likely a bigger weakness at this point.

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

Haven't heard of it, but I just added it to my "Watch Later" list for when I'm not at work :)

It very well could be a matter of technique; there's a fair few footholds on this problem so maybe I'm just not approaching it correctly - but I'm reasonably confident it's just a matter of strength.

Unfortunately they don't have a good photo of this problem on their facebook, so this is the best I can share now:



Start with the green holds at the bottom, work your way left, then up and to the right. I can comfortably get my right hand on the large green jug I've circled in purple. There are 2 additional holds just above that one that I've seen people do this problem with and without. I can't get my left arm up high enough to reach the hold I've circled in red.

I know it's virtually impossible to make out the colors of the holds in this photo so it probably doesn't give you guys a good sense of what I might be doing wrong or where I should be putting my feet instead.

I think I usually get my feet on the holds near that upper pink volume.


Yea I am male, so flexibility (or lack there of) probably plays into it.

Sab669 fucked around with this message at 18:32 on May 6, 2019

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





A twist lock should get you the reach and stability to get your left hand on those jugs

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009



Much better & higher res photo that I took tonight, but now it doesn't matter because I finally did it!! ahhh gently caress you boulder you're not better than me!!! Really shocked I managed to do it because I was there for 90 minutes yesterday so I was feeling pretty sore today.

edit; haaa just in time too. They just posted on facebook that they reset the problems today. A few pages back there was a lot of talk about Climbing & "Sadbrains" which I definitely suffer from but I had a stupid smile on my face for a while last night after finishing that problem so that was cool.

Sab669 fucked around with this message at 21:08 on May 7, 2019

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib
I think I *got* sport climbing this weekend. I've come from a trad background so I've always climbed sport routes onsight and never really looked at anything past 6b.
This weekend a friend talked me through a 7a and I surprised myself by getting all the moves on top rope with a couple of rests. The crux sequence seems to have written itself on the front of my brain and I find myself strangely compelled to return to the route.
Project mode engaged!

Macnult
Jul 7, 2013

Partial Octopus posted:

Get the green for sure. Red is definitely too easy unless you're recovering from something serious.

Update: Ordered the green which came in last week. Used it daily and then gave climbing another try on Friday. It works! I had some elbow pain but nowhere near as bad as the week prior. I went climbing yesterday as well with some pain, but it’s getting better. Managed to get half way up a 5.11 until my arms gave out.


I’m happy with the progress I’ve been making. Bouldering I’m almost consistent with all V3s and top rope I can do 5.10s without issue. At this point I’m mostly excited by the idea of climbing without golfer’s elbow trouble

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

How long did shipping take for you? I placed an order on the 28th and still don't even have a shipping number. Should call them, now that I've realized it's been that long :v:

Partial Octopus
Feb 4, 2006



Macnult posted:

Update: Ordered the green which came in last week. Used it daily and then gave climbing another try on Friday. It works! I had some elbow pain but nowhere near as bad as the week prior. I went climbing yesterday as well with some pain, but it’s getting better. Managed to get half way up a 5.11 until my arms gave out.


I’m happy with the progress I’ve been making. Bouldering I’m almost consistent with all V3s and top rope I can do 5.10s without issue. At this point I’m mostly excited by the idea of climbing without golfer’s elbow trouble

Just some advice, don't be an idiot like me and stop using it when the symptoms go away. They will come back if you don't keep strengthening those muscles for awhile. I stopped after 2 weeks thinking I'd be good and now I'm having issues again and have to start the process all over :smith:

Mons Hubris
Aug 29, 2004

fanci flup :)


The tennis elbow exercise with the flexbar thing is fine for me, but I feel like I can’t do the golfer’s elbow one right (with your off-elbow way up in the air). The end I’m gripping turns in my hand and rubs the poo poo out of my palm, and then I don’t have my wrist at a great angle to actually stretch my elbow out. I watched some videos, idk what is going on there.

Partial Octopus
Feb 4, 2006



Mons Hubris posted:

The tennis elbow exercise with the flexbar thing is fine for me, but I feel like I can’t do the golfer’s elbow one right (with your off-elbow way up in the air). The end I’m gripping turns in my hand and rubs the poo poo out of my palm, and then I don’t have my wrist at a great angle to actually stretch my elbow out. I watched some videos, idk what is going on there.

This is what you should be doing for golfer's elbow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P-QOaCoDWY

Caf
May 21, 2004

I'm King James! The Lion King!

Sab669 posted:

Much better & higher res photo that I took tonight, but now it doesn't matter because I finally did it!! ahhh gently caress you boulder you're not better than me!!! Really shocked I managed to do it because I was there for 90 minutes yesterday so I was feeling pretty sore today.

edit; haaa just in time too. They just posted on facebook that they reset the problems today. A few pages back there was a lot of talk about Climbing & "Sadbrains" which I definitely suffer from but I had a stupid smile on my face for a while last night after finishing that problem so that was cool.

Is that a CRG? Looks like one of their walls but I don't recognize the feature.

Congrats on the send.

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

Caf posted:

Is that a CRG? Looks like one of their walls but I don't recognize the feature.

Congrats on the send.

Central Rock Buffalo, yea. It just opened less than a month ago.

Kasumeat
Nov 18, 2004

I SHOULD GO AND GET FUCKED
I need to replace my Vapor Vs, but the new generation has a stiffer sole and are now 100% synthetic, which are steps in the wrong direction. Are there are any shoes with a similar large toebox that are leather and relatively soft? I got some Otakis which have a really good fit for me but the sole is way too firm.

AriTheDog
Jul 29, 2003
Famously tasty.

Kasumeat posted:

I need to replace my Vapor Vs, but the new generation has a stiffer sole and are now 100% synthetic, which are steps in the wrong direction. Are there are any shoes with a similar large toebox that are leather and relatively soft? I got some Otakis which have a really good fit for me but the sole is way too firm.

Im strongly considering buying a pair of the new ones based on fit alone. What's the issue with a fully synthetic shoe? You can also still definitely find the old version around the web.

Kasumeat
Nov 18, 2004

I SHOULD GO AND GET FUCKED

AriTheDog posted:

Im strongly considering buying a pair of the new ones based on fit alone. What's the issue with a fully synthetic shoe? You can also still definitely find the old version around the web.

They smell like poo poo and wear much more quickly

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

Kasumeat posted:

They smell like poo poo and wear much more quickly

I’m trying to think of any leather/synthetic part on any of my shoes that has a noticeable amount of wear and I’m coming up blank. What section of your shoe is getting worn?

Happiness Commando
Feb 1, 2002
$$ joy at gunpoint $$

I'll be taking a new leader outside soon and teaching her all the skills for sport. In the past I've taught how to rap after cleaning, but my thinking has evolved on the subject and maybe it's more appropriate - at least in the beginning? - to assume appropriate anchors for lowering and prioritize that. We will be climbing in Clear Creek which is very well maintained. I don't think I've ever had to rap there.

What is the current status of the lower vs. rap slap fight?

Bud Manstrong
Dec 11, 2003

The Curse of the Flying Criosphinx

Happiness Commando posted:

I'll be taking a new leader outside soon and teaching her all the skills for sport. In the past I've taught how to rap after cleaning, but my thinking has evolved on the subject and maybe it's more appropriate - at least in the beginning? - to assume appropriate anchors for lowering and prioritize that. We will be climbing in Clear Creek which is very well maintained. I don't think I've ever had to rap there.

What is the current status of the lower vs. rap slap fight?

Lower.

armorer
Aug 6, 2012

I like metal.

Happiness Commando posted:

I'll be taking a new leader outside soon and teaching her all the skills for sport. In the past I've taught how to rap after cleaning, but my thinking has evolved on the subject and maybe it's more appropriate - at least in the beginning? - to assume appropriate anchors for lowering and prioritize that. We will be climbing in Clear Creek which is very well maintained. I don't think I've ever had to rap there.

What is the current status of the lower vs. rap slap fight?

Lower, but teach her to rap anyway because it's a good process to know all the steps for and why they exist.

Sigmund Fraud
Jul 31, 2005

Happiness Commando posted:

What is the current status of the lower vs. rap slap fight?
Whenever I bolt anchors I use two expensive steel ring hangers. The reason I spend the extra money is to allow people to be lowered safely.

If everyone rapped I would put up something cheaper, like quick links.

My pet peeve is that people have started calling the steel rings rapp rings here in Sweden. What a loving misnomer.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

Lower but you should teach them to rap. I like the 5.7 at River wall for reaching cleaning or climb the 5.4 at Safari. Both have big ledges, delay the person up and watch them right up close.

kalvanoo
Apr 29, 2018

look at this lil perv
everyone should know how to rap but i cant imagine rapping every route when im cragging.

Partial Octopus
Feb 4, 2006



So I feel like I've been plateauing for a month or so now at V4 5.11b. Am I at the point where I'm going to have to do climbing specific workouts to progress more or can I still see good progression just from climbing 3x a week but at a slower rate?

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

You should be able to climb 12a without really training. When you go to the gym you need to climb hard though. I am just getting back after 5 months off with the broken collar bone but when I was in shape here was my gym routine, all on lead. 5.10 a/b, 5.10b/c, 5.11a, 5.11c, 5.11d or higher 5x, 5.11a. then maybe go limit Boulder for a bit. Doing that I was able to outside on sight up to 11b/c and get up most stuff to 12b, send if I worked it a few times.

KingColliwog
May 15, 2003

Let's go droogs
Soooo, I’m definitely sticking with that climbing thing. I’ve been going for about two months and can currently do all v4s at my gym and can get the odd v5.

The thing is that I want to keep progressing, but I also enjoy weightlifting and want to keep doing that too. Due to kids I cannot really do anything on the weekends (other than some cardio, yoga or very basic stuff).

This summer I will have all weekdays off. Is there ressources to help me juggle barbell training alongside bouldering? I’d like to Boulder 4 days (obviously not going hard every time) and hit the weights 2 or 3 times.

E: currently boulder 3x a week and weightlifting 3-4x + a bunch of yoga and odd cardio session. I’m not feeling overtrained yet, but I’m guessing getting better at bouldering will stress my CNS more

KingColliwog fucked around with this message at 00:37 on May 12, 2019

armorer
Aug 6, 2012

I like metal.

spwrozek posted:

You should be able to climb 12a without really training. When you go to the gym you need to climb hard though. I am just getting back after 5 months off with the broken collar bone but when I was in shape here was my gym routine, all on lead. 5.10 a/b, 5.10b/c, 5.11a, 5.11c, 5.11d or higher 5x, 5.11a. then maybe go limit Boulder for a bit. Doing that I was able to outside on sight up to 11b/c and get up most stuff to 12b, send if I worked it a few times.

I'd like this to be true, but for me it is not true. If I want to climb 5.12 I need to specifically train. I've plateaued at 5.11d in the past and punched my way up to 5.12a/b by adding hangboard training and losing 5 or 10 pounds, but it's hard for me to stay there. For reference, I'm 5'11" 160lbs, and typically climb 3 days a week, swapping leads for 2 or 3 hours.

I think your non-trained plateau will depend on what you spend the rest of your time doing (sitting at a desk in my case). 5.12 is generally attainable by anyone reasonably young (50 is still young enough, not that I'm 50) in good shape who puts the time and effort in. "Time and effort" will vary from person to person though.

crazycello
Jul 22, 2009
5.12 is the new 5.10

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

KingColliwog posted:

Soooo, I’m definitely sticking with that climbing thing. I’ve been going for about two months and can currently do all v4s at my gym and can get the odd v5.

The thing is that I want to keep progressing, but I also enjoy weightlifting and want to keep doing that too. Due to kids I cannot really do anything on the weekends (other than some cardio, yoga or very basic stuff).

This summer I will have all weekdays off. Is there ressources to help me juggle barbell training alongside bouldering? I’d like to Boulder 4 days (obviously not going hard every time) and hit the weights 2 or 3 times.

E: currently boulder 3x a week and weightlifting 3-4x + a bunch of yoga and odd cardio session. I’m not feeling overtrained yet, but I’m guessing getting better at bouldering will stress my CNS more

Everyone is different. But I definitely plateaued in my climbing after I started cross-training (running, in my case). Once I stopped, and focused on climbing again, I got over the plateau.

Right now the only non-climbing exercise I do is train "push" muscles in the gym. I try to do bench presses/shoulder presses/dips twice a week. I also stretch at home in-between breaks from work, but I don't really consider that exercise.

kalvanoo
Apr 29, 2018

look at this lil perv

enraged_camel posted:

Everyone is different. But I definitely plateaued in my climbing after I started cross-training (running, in my case). Once I stopped, and focused on climbing again, I got over the plateau.

Right now the only non-climbing exercise I do is train "push" muscles in the gym. I try to do bench presses/shoulder presses/dips twice a week. I also stretch at home in-between breaks from work, but I don't really consider that exercise.

i forgot to thank you but this was good advice

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ShaneB
Oct 22, 2002


KingColliwog posted:

Soooo, I’m definitely sticking with that climbing thing. I’ve been going for about two months and can currently do all v4s at my gym and can get the odd v5.

I can't tell you how much this frustrates me.

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